STOP BASHING CHRISTIAN METAL!!
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Mankind has been given over to the sinful nature since the fall and has expressed this in many ways and through many forms of music. God is not pleased with any form of music. Is He not searching for a humble and contrite heart? Christian metal, like so many things branded as Christian, covers a huge scope. Some of it is just rubbish. No anointing, poor lyrics, a band with poor morals. Some of it is brilliant. Anointed, godly lyrics, challenging and performed by people who demonstrate a knowledge of God. Music is just a medium used to communicate a message; which always comes with an attitude. It is the message and the heart of the communicator that matters. If we are going to worry about the medium, turn the computer off, because the world had them first.
M
This is annoying... why does everyone bash contemporary christian music??? If the lyrics are glorifying God.. IF the lyrics glorify God?? It is impossible to even UNDERSTAND what the lyrics are!! That's all that matters!! Wrong. If it is not pleasing...a pleasant sound and the words cannot be distinguished then there is no glorifying, no edification, no exalting and it is only noise. Get out of tradition ansd stop putting limits on God!! There are no limits on God. But one must ask IS THAT GOD?? Because when tribal leaders come from Africa and South American and hear our "Christian Rock" they ask us "Why do they play instraments and shout words we cannot know whta they are to invoke demons?" !!! God can use ANY genre of music to got His message across!! Music that invokes demons is NOT on genre that He will use. I love Christian Metal.. Becoming the Archetype is my favorite.. Their music puts me in spirit of worship.. Really? Or does it just hype you up and you THINK you are worshiping God, when in truth the very nature of the music invokes demons.? Where in the Bible is there ever confusion of words and distracting levels of sound when there is true worship? There isn't. Many of thier songs talk about the absolute power of God. How dare you tell ANYONE how to worship God!! The BIBLE tells us how to worship God! In Spirit and in Truth. What spirit is it that invokes confusion and demons?? What spirit is it that is causing You to really feel ticked off right now because of my words? It is not Holy Spirit. It is a rebellious, prideful spirit that influences your thoughts.
There is no glory in 'heavy metal 'Christian' music. Heavy metal is by all definitions music bent on evil; the beat, the lack of melody, the words no one can distinguish. Just because some group throws in the words "Jesus" or "God" does not make it Honoring to the Lord. WHat has happened is that there has been compromise concerning the Word. In the effort to appeal to the lost of the world, well-meaning, but ignorant Christian musicians have stolen from the enemy! They have taken the devils music and switched words and deemed to think it glorifies the Lord! But it does not.
and i rebuke that! And well you should! Because you can find other ways to worship Him in Truth and in Spirit that will truly glorify His name AND fill you with His AWE.
Maggie
There is no glory in 'heavy metal 'Christian' music. Heavy metal is by all definitions music bent on evil; the beat, the lack of melody, the words no one can distinguish. Just because some group throws in the words "Jesus" or "God" does not make it Honoring to the Lord. WHat has happened is that there has been compromise concerning the Word. In the effort to appeal to the lost of the world, well-meaning, but ignorant Christian musicians have stolen from the enemy! They have taken the devils music and switched words and deemed to think it glorifies the Lord! But it does not.
and i rebuke that! And well you should! Because you can find other ways to worship Him in Truth and in Spirit that will truly glorify His name AND fill you with His AWE.
Maggie
M
Amen. Some think they can not worship without music. Music is just one means of expressing a heart attitude of worship.
"And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers....." 1 Cor 12:28 Walking into some churches, you might walk away with the understanding that God had appointed musicians first!
"And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers....." 1 Cor 12:28 Walking into some churches, you might walk away with the understanding that God had appointed musicians first!
M
Isa 5:12 "The harp and the strings, the tambourine and the flute, and wine are in their feasts; but they do not regard the work of the LORD, nor consider the operation of His hands."
2 Sam 6:5 "Then David and all the house of Israel played music before the LORD on all kinds of instruments of fir wood, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on sistrums, and on cymbals."
David had no qualm about using the same instruments as the ungodly. The medium is irrelevant. There is plenty of melodic metal with easily understood lyrics.
I understand your reservation about lyrics that can not be understood. The thing that makes a song or a book or a sermon "Christian", is its message. If it is beyond comprehension, why bother?
MaggieMye wow! Nicely put and clearly stated.
You have to understand that as Chrisitans we must turn away from the ways of the world and cannot use the ways of the world in our worship. We must be careful to put things aside if they are not of God and ASK God and clearly hear his response about what is pleasing to Him.
Who was Lucifer before he fell? He was the first sound of the morning, the original angel of worship. Just because he fell doesn't mean he lost his power in that regard. Satan can use music to bring people down as easily as music can be used by the Lord to glorify Him. We must be careful about our music and study the origins and not just the lyrics. David played instruments correct? Thus instrumental music can be considered worship music without lyrics. Similarly, instrumental music can be used by the enemy to get to us as well. Music is powerful and can enter us without our consent just be hearing it. We must be strong to put on the entire armor of God when we hear music and discern what is pleasing to Him and what is not.
Satan used rock and roll originally to put for that era of rebellion in the youth as stated in a previous post. The age of self focus, self worship, satan worship, rebellion of children against their parents, against authority. All of it stemmed from rock and roll. Look at the Beatles and their introduction of eastern worship and principles of Aleister Crowley into their music. Does eastern worship and satanic ideas glorify God? Look at groups such as Rammstein and Marilyn Manson (a noted member of the Church of Satan) and what they do. Is it just the lyrics (which are bad) but also the music itself that incites people and enters their very soul.
Then we have the whole rap and r&b genre. People are quick to say that rap came from the tribal roots of the African people. Well, do those tribes worship and glorify God? Satan came to use rap and r&b to push forward principles and ideas that are against God. The promotion of man as god. The promotion of beats from a culture that is against God. The promotion of hypersexuality, drug use, and misogeny. Some rap and r&b artists even incorporate devil worship into their albums and themes that are against Christ.
In addition, remember the tongue is wicked and can speak curses into people as well as glorify God. Well, as people in worship should know, if they have any demons or demonic spirits within them, they risk speaking or playing that spirit into the people who are listening. Music is powerful and as was stated before in this post, has the ability to enter someone without their consent. Hence our need for putting on the whole armor of God in our daily battles in spiritual warfare.
I'm not saying every artist in rap and rock do this, but look where the music started and what it has done to society and the world. The world embraces it. As disciples of Jesus, can we truly be comfortable worshiping God in a way that mimics the ways of the world? Are we not supposed to be separate from the world and worshiping God in a way that pleases Him? I'm not judging anyone in this post nor am I trying to force you to come to my own viewpoint. I'm just presenting information for you to decide as God has convicted me this way regarding music.
You have to understand that as Chrisitans we must turn away from the ways of the world and cannot use the ways of the world in our worship. We must be careful to put things aside if they are not of God and ASK God and clearly hear his response about what is pleasing to Him.
Who was Lucifer before he fell? He was the first sound of the morning, the original angel of worship. Just because he fell doesn't mean he lost his power in that regard. Satan can use music to bring people down as easily as music can be used by the Lord to glorify Him. We must be careful about our music and study the origins and not just the lyrics. David played instruments correct? Thus instrumental music can be considered worship music without lyrics. Similarly, instrumental music can be used by the enemy to get to us as well. Music is powerful and can enter us without our consent just be hearing it. We must be strong to put on the entire armor of God when we hear music and discern what is pleasing to Him and what is not.
Satan used rock and roll originally to put for that era of rebellion in the youth as stated in a previous post. The age of self focus, self worship, satan worship, rebellion of children against their parents, against authority. All of it stemmed from rock and roll. Look at the Beatles and their introduction of eastern worship and principles of Aleister Crowley into their music. Does eastern worship and satanic ideas glorify God? Look at groups such as Rammstein and Marilyn Manson (a noted member of the Church of Satan) and what they do. Is it just the lyrics (which are bad) but also the music itself that incites people and enters their very soul.
Then we have the whole rap and r&b genre. People are quick to say that rap came from the tribal roots of the African people. Well, do those tribes worship and glorify God? Satan came to use rap and r&b to push forward principles and ideas that are against God. The promotion of man as god. The promotion of beats from a culture that is against God. The promotion of hypersexuality, drug use, and misogeny. Some rap and r&b artists even incorporate devil worship into their albums and themes that are against Christ.
In addition, remember the tongue is wicked and can speak curses into people as well as glorify God. Well, as people in worship should know, if they have any demons or demonic spirits within them, they risk speaking or playing that spirit into the people who are listening. Music is powerful and as was stated before in this post, has the ability to enter someone without their consent. Hence our need for putting on the whole armor of God in our daily battles in spiritual warfare.
I'm not saying every artist in rap and rock do this, but look where the music started and what it has done to society and the world. The world embraces it. As disciples of Jesus, can we truly be comfortable worshiping God in a way that mimics the ways of the world? Are we not supposed to be separate from the world and worshiping God in a way that pleases Him? I'm not judging anyone in this post nor am I trying to force you to come to my own viewpoint. I'm just presenting information for you to decide as God has convicted me this way regarding music.
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How about David playing some good old rock and roll
Ps 150
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
Now granted, it was not heavy metall as no electric guitar. But David like to clash those cymbols. This is not slow music.
Ps 150
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
Now granted, it was not heavy metall as no electric guitar. But David like to clash those cymbols. This is not slow music.
As far as David using the same instruments as the heathen to worship God,it does not have to be played the same,like a guitar,and drums,and bass,does not have to be played the same as heavy metal,but can be played differently.You can sure see a difference between Christopher Cross and Metallica,although both play with guitar,bass,and drums.
Also the heathen back then did not play in an aggressive fashion with their instruments like they do now.The heathen played music that was on the softer side.
Go to a chinese restaurant and listen to the music they play,it is mellow.That is basically how everybody played music prior to America,they all played mellow type music.
It wasn't until America came out that the music became increasingly more aggressive,and darker,England included,and that is because man is becoming more sinful as time goes by,which Jesus said evil men shall wax worse and worse,and the last generation before Jesus takes over the earth will be the worse generation,and you can see how that reflects in their music as it is more aggressive.
Music of that type stirs up the flesh,for it is aggression and does not seem compatible with worshipping God.
Would a person play that type of music to worship Jesus if Jesus were in front of them.
I believe they like that type of music only because they liked that type of music when they were in the world,and will not let it go to have a meek and quiet spirit which is in the sight of God of great price.
When I was in the world I listened to heavy music,for I liked that that type of music,and I still think the music is cool,but I believe it is of the flesh that likes that music,which I must shun.
One thing I did not like was the lyrics,they still had to be good lyrics,at least decent words,and did not like nasty words or negative words,or anything that went against God,but I liked the music if it was put in good form,but I must throw it away.
19Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord(Ephesians 5:19).
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord(Colossians 3:16).
It is true we do not need instruments to worship God.
In today's society some people who claim to be with Christ are pointing their fingers at other people who claim to be with Christ and saying,you are too strict,and a goody goody two shoes,when that is what we are supposed to be,good.
The last days attitude of people will be despisers of those that are good,and lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
God said separate yourself from the world,and come out from them,and be clean,and then I will accept you,and the world plays Metal music to represent their fleshy ways,how can you use it to worship God,when you are not separating yourself from the world that plays that music according to their flesh.
The fact that the world plays that type of music should be reason enough not to play it,to separate yourself from the world that plays it,for God said not to identify with the world,and it is the world that plays it.
Also the heathen back then did not play in an aggressive fashion with their instruments like they do now.The heathen played music that was on the softer side.
Go to a chinese restaurant and listen to the music they play,it is mellow.That is basically how everybody played music prior to America,they all played mellow type music.
It wasn't until America came out that the music became increasingly more aggressive,and darker,England included,and that is because man is becoming more sinful as time goes by,which Jesus said evil men shall wax worse and worse,and the last generation before Jesus takes over the earth will be the worse generation,and you can see how that reflects in their music as it is more aggressive.
Music of that type stirs up the flesh,for it is aggression and does not seem compatible with worshipping God.
Would a person play that type of music to worship Jesus if Jesus were in front of them.
I believe they like that type of music only because they liked that type of music when they were in the world,and will not let it go to have a meek and quiet spirit which is in the sight of God of great price.
When I was in the world I listened to heavy music,for I liked that that type of music,and I still think the music is cool,but I believe it is of the flesh that likes that music,which I must shun.
One thing I did not like was the lyrics,they still had to be good lyrics,at least decent words,and did not like nasty words or negative words,or anything that went against God,but I liked the music if it was put in good form,but I must throw it away.
19Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord(Ephesians 5:19).
16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord(Colossians 3:16).
It is true we do not need instruments to worship God.
In today's society some people who claim to be with Christ are pointing their fingers at other people who claim to be with Christ and saying,you are too strict,and a goody goody two shoes,when that is what we are supposed to be,good.
The last days attitude of people will be despisers of those that are good,and lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
God said separate yourself from the world,and come out from them,and be clean,and then I will accept you,and the world plays Metal music to represent their fleshy ways,how can you use it to worship God,when you are not separating yourself from the world that plays that music according to their flesh.
The fact that the world plays that type of music should be reason enough not to play it,to separate yourself from the world that plays it,for God said not to identify with the world,and it is the world that plays it.
I think we are forgetting that all music forms are used for evil also not just rock/metal.
Infact even the great hymn writer fanny crosbie, used pop style tunes of the day.
When your a musician and you like a certain style of music you can hear te bueaty in it, wether that is Jazz fusion, rock.classical etc, Infact many great classical composers certainly were not Godly men.
Pop music represents as much evil as metal music does, although pop music is more to do with the explouitation of sex to the our young (and old) metal can be dark.
But when a musical style is played to honour God and to glorify his name, what a wondeful thing.
I suspect we confuse music we listen to in the home or in the car with that wich we worship corporatly, say in Church on sunday it has to be a style that all the body of believers can sing and worship our Sovereign God with.
But just remember alot of our favourite great ole hymns were written with the popular style of music at the time.
Infact even the great hymn writer fanny crosbie, used pop style tunes of the day.
When your a musician and you like a certain style of music you can hear te bueaty in it, wether that is Jazz fusion, rock.classical etc, Infact many great classical composers certainly were not Godly men.
Pop music represents as much evil as metal music does, although pop music is more to do with the explouitation of sex to the our young (and old) metal can be dark.
But when a musical style is played to honour God and to glorify his name, what a wondeful thing.
I suspect we confuse music we listen to in the home or in the car with that wich we worship corporatly, say in Church on sunday it has to be a style that all the body of believers can sing and worship our Sovereign God with.
But just remember alot of our favourite great ole hymns were written with the popular style of music at the time.
M
The world plays every type of music! That would leave us nothing. But the earth is the LORD's and the fullness of it. Grew up listening to a lot of country drinking tunes. Was never into metal until I got saved and heard the sanctified version. I can understand those who were into the demonic variety wanting to avoid it.
Don't go to the Chinese restaurant! Traditional Chinese offer that stuff to their dead ancestors and you don't want to be involved in that!! (Couldn't resist.)
Don't go to the Chinese restaurant! Traditional Chinese offer that stuff to their dead ancestors and you don't want to be involved in that!! (Couldn't resist.)
M
The instruments used are irrelevant. It is the SOUND that is made with them that is the subject at hand. Any instrument, including the human voice, can be used both for worship of the Lord, Jesus Christ OR for invoking demons.
Study the origins of the different genres of music and you can come to learn which is which.
Maggie
Study the origins of the different genres of music and you can come to learn which is which.
Maggie
I'm not trying to put anybody down,but only trying to understand how can metal music be used by the world to glorify the flesh,and then be used to glorify God.
When a subject matter comes up that somebody disagrees with,like about Metal music,some people will say take the beam out of your eye before you are concerned with the beam in another persons eye,but then they do not know your lifestyle and if there is sin in your life so how can they make that accusation.
They are accusing you of something that they do not even know about,and God said do not bear false witness,or accuse falsely.How can they accuse you to take the beam out of your eye before you address another,when they do not even know you and cannot see you,and have not observed you physically,to know if there is sin in your life.They are accusing with no facts to back it up,so why do they say take the beam out when they do not know if there is a beam there.
When a subject matter comes up that somebody disagrees with,like about Metal music,some people will say take the beam out of your eye before you are concerned with the beam in another persons eye,but then they do not know your lifestyle and if there is sin in your life so how can they make that accusation.
They are accusing you of something that they do not even know about,and God said do not bear false witness,or accuse falsely.How can they accuse you to take the beam out of your eye before you address another,when they do not even know you and cannot see you,and have not observed you physically,to know if there is sin in your life.They are accusing with no facts to back it up,so why do they say take the beam out when they do not know if there is a beam there.