STOP BASHING CHRISTIAN METAL!!
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You know, When my parents grew up. Elvis Presley and the Beatles would be considered heavy metal of their day. Their parents told them that music was evil.
It is not the sound that matters, it is the words. Elvis and the Beatles are considered slow classics today.
What I am trying to say is it is a culture thing. Music is not just to worship God, it is a teaching tool. I am sure we all have times in our lives when we hear a song and it takes us back. Or we remember something. When my mother died, and I was two hours from home. A classic rock christian song God me home. It reminded me of that I was never alone, even though Satan was trying his best to tell me I was all alone in my greatest time of need.
Music is a powerful tool. and if God can use it to teach someone something about him. Then PRAISE GOD. It does not matter what type of music it is as long as it gives praise to God, and teaches us a lesson about him.
Heavy metal, if things go as they have, will probably be classic music in about 30 years.
I understand your reservation about lyrics that can not be understood. The thing that makes a song or a book or a sermon "Christian", is its message. If it is beyond comprehension, why bother?[/quote]
The Bible says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord'' Does it say make a nice, pleasent easy to understand noise?? NO If that is thier joyful noise.. who are we to judge??
The Bible says "Make a joyful noise unto the Lord'' Does it say make a nice, pleasent easy to understand noise?? NO If that is thier joyful noise.. who are we to judge??
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yay for Christian Metal! <3
Love that stuff! =]
It puts me in a good mood and it is how I intimately worship God.
Lighten up everyone!
these are the little details that don't matter.
it is about each persons relationship with God, and none of us can see the heart of another.
To anyone who considers it a "sin"... why don't you take a moment and look at your own sins before you go and bash others. Once you are perfect you can tell everyone what to do.
To each his own, and if God has put it on your heart to not listen to Christian metal, then don't. But please do not judge others on it.
I hate it cuz sometimes I feel like I have to hide who I really am to all the other Christians out there. But I can be myself with all the "worldly" people and they may not agree with me, but they don't bash me either.
I don't see love here, and God is love. Where is the love....where is God?
Love that stuff! =]
It puts me in a good mood and it is how I intimately worship God.
Lighten up everyone!
these are the little details that don't matter.
it is about each persons relationship with God, and none of us can see the heart of another.
To anyone who considers it a "sin"... why don't you take a moment and look at your own sins before you go and bash others. Once you are perfect you can tell everyone what to do.
To each his own, and if God has put it on your heart to not listen to Christian metal, then don't. But please do not judge others on it.
I hate it cuz sometimes I feel like I have to hide who I really am to all the other Christians out there. But I can be myself with all the "worldly" people and they may not agree with me, but they don't bash me either.
I don't see love here, and God is love. Where is the love....where is God?
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Now we come to the most contraversal topics ever...the MUSIC.
Amos also got upset with this topic. Amos 6:5; "That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David."
Why was Amos so upset............because he recognized that something had occured in the type and beat of music that would not draw the Spirit of the Lord into the worship service. Even though it was good music it was never meant to be the type of music that allows the true Spirit of God to work.
Genesis 4:21; "And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. (good music)
Ezekiel 28:13; "Thou(Satan)hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sadius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou was created." (Satan now has power to creat the bad music) I call it two beat music...music that you can do a two step dance to.
Music was not a command to the patriarchs nor was even given to Moses. Yet, in Exodus 15 we see it and we do see it in heaven.(voices...singing)..Revelation 14:2.
In Exodus 15:20 we see instruments and dancing which was done under the patriachal age.
During the christain age we don't see instruments.
Not sure if this means just singing(Colossians 3:16, I Corinthians 14:15) but not having a band in the background. We have to abid in the doctrine of Christ..2 John 9. We are to meditate on Gods Word and sing in the Spirit.
Revelation 5:8 we see harps and odours (incense).
Every christian song I have ever heard new today has had the two beat music. That same music could be sung in a honky tonk except the words are changed.
Amos also got upset with this topic. Amos 6:5; "That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David."
Why was Amos so upset............because he recognized that something had occured in the type and beat of music that would not draw the Spirit of the Lord into the worship service. Even though it was good music it was never meant to be the type of music that allows the true Spirit of God to work.
Genesis 4:21; "And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. (good music)
Ezekiel 28:13; "Thou(Satan)hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sadius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou was created." (Satan now has power to creat the bad music) I call it two beat music...music that you can do a two step dance to.
Music was not a command to the patriarchs nor was even given to Moses. Yet, in Exodus 15 we see it and we do see it in heaven.(voices...singing)..Revelation 14:2.
In Exodus 15:20 we see instruments and dancing which was done under the patriachal age.
During the christain age we don't see instruments.
Not sure if this means just singing(Colossians 3:16, I Corinthians 14:15) but not having a band in the background. We have to abid in the doctrine of Christ..2 John 9. We are to meditate on Gods Word and sing in the Spirit.
Revelation 5:8 we see harps and odours (incense).
Every christian song I have ever heard new today has had the two beat music. That same music could be sung in a honky tonk except the words are changed.
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Satan can quote scripture also....he did that to Jesus.
Next time you listen to any type of christian music be honest to oneself by asking God if this is from the Holy Spirit or not? I can tell you I sturggled with music many years before God took away that desire for the wrong music away. I knew it deep down but hated to give up....God wants our obedience if there's things in our life that doesn't measure up to his standard.
Next time you listen to any type of christian music be honest to oneself by asking God if this is from the Holy Spirit or not? I can tell you I sturggled with music many years before God took away that desire for the wrong music away. I knew it deep down but hated to give up....God wants our obedience if there's things in our life that doesn't measure up to his standard.
Just an interesting point.
The lyre, was basically the first stylings of what we now know as a guitar or family of stringed instruments.
Im sure there were those in the Old Testament who liked to rock it up a bit
Another interesting point. I went to a rock concert and a classical concert in the same month (few years ago now), they were both loud and heavy, i couldnt really tell who was the loudest or who was the heaviest.. but, boy, did they both sound good.
I hope you get my point? (mind you I am biased, I like rock music)
The lyre, was basically the first stylings of what we now know as a guitar or family of stringed instruments.
Im sure there were those in the Old Testament who liked to rock it up a bit
Another interesting point. I went to a rock concert and a classical concert in the same month (few years ago now), they were both loud and heavy, i couldnt really tell who was the loudest or who was the heaviest.. but, boy, did they both sound good.
I hope you get my point? (mind you I am biased, I like rock music)
all things serve God, it is not our place to judge another man. music is inspired by love, God is love, some people sing this way, others sing that way. you say, but i hear such hate in some music and not in others, all that means is that its not music for you. some people are in love with their hate, but for the people who are listening to it, understand that it is still serving God. when they return to Christ they will see the truth.
think of love as a river, we go to the river and drink. some here some there. we tend to stand around the others who look like us and look at others and ask why dont they drink like us over here. in the end Jesus is the mouth of the river. you argue over what types of music can we listen to or not. this is foolishness. ask yourself this, am i listening to music to serve and worship God, or am i doing it to serve my self. that is the difference between a believer and a non believer. we do openly what they do in secret. one day you will find that ALL songs worship God and ALL books tell his story and ALL movies are based on his life. its why we love them in the first place. we are all connected by the holy spirit, it speaks thru us all, watch the openeing song from the muppet movie. who is singing the song? kermit? jim henson? the holy spirit? is it all one in the same. do i really need to worry about what you think about that song being proper or not? or is it that you dont like how it was presented to you? i have been to many concerts, i have heard many songs, i often wonder why we dont sing them in church. do not let your interpitation of the bible be used to limit my faith in God. the kingdom of God is all around us. i believe in the holy trinity, to me every song i have ever heard in my life has become a christian song. it was this way all my life, i just never saw it until i repented and asked Jesus for help.
here are some songs for you to listen to. bryan adams, heaven,cyndi lauper, time after time,belinda carlise, heaven is a place on earth,ace of base, i saw the signs,van halen,best of both worlds,oasis, live forever,rush closer to the heart,queen, one vision, i could go on and on, but why.
look to your own music and to the most popular music in the world, the more it serves God the more popular it is. Jesus died for our sins, he has power over our sins, he can forgive our sins, he can also use non believers to bring you the love of God. where is all that love coming from?
repent, the kingdom of God is still in front of us. ask Jesus for help and forgiveness
Duewell
mathew 13 10-15
YouTube - Slaughter - Fly To The Angels
think of love as a river, we go to the river and drink. some here some there. we tend to stand around the others who look like us and look at others and ask why dont they drink like us over here. in the end Jesus is the mouth of the river. you argue over what types of music can we listen to or not. this is foolishness. ask yourself this, am i listening to music to serve and worship God, or am i doing it to serve my self. that is the difference between a believer and a non believer. we do openly what they do in secret. one day you will find that ALL songs worship God and ALL books tell his story and ALL movies are based on his life. its why we love them in the first place. we are all connected by the holy spirit, it speaks thru us all, watch the openeing song from the muppet movie. who is singing the song? kermit? jim henson? the holy spirit? is it all one in the same. do i really need to worry about what you think about that song being proper or not? or is it that you dont like how it was presented to you? i have been to many concerts, i have heard many songs, i often wonder why we dont sing them in church. do not let your interpitation of the bible be used to limit my faith in God. the kingdom of God is all around us. i believe in the holy trinity, to me every song i have ever heard in my life has become a christian song. it was this way all my life, i just never saw it until i repented and asked Jesus for help.
here are some songs for you to listen to. bryan adams, heaven,cyndi lauper, time after time,belinda carlise, heaven is a place on earth,ace of base, i saw the signs,van halen,best of both worlds,oasis, live forever,rush closer to the heart,queen, one vision, i could go on and on, but why.
look to your own music and to the most popular music in the world, the more it serves God the more popular it is. Jesus died for our sins, he has power over our sins, he can forgive our sins, he can also use non believers to bring you the love of God. where is all that love coming from?
repent, the kingdom of God is still in front of us. ask Jesus for help and forgiveness
Duewell
mathew 13 10-15
YouTube - Slaughter - Fly To The Angels
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Discyple, POD, Kutless, August burns Red, Awake the Suffering, Shadows Fall, def not contemporary, some heavier than others, these guys are some awesome ppl to meet, matter of fact, lead dude from POD quit headlining big concerts cause the promoters had a prob with him goin out and fellowshipping and witnessing to alot of these kids at concerts.
It's pretty hilarious (and yet sad at the same time) that there are actually Christians who think God's Word should be limitted to the music that they like to listen to.
I'm an active musician in a hard rock Christian band and I teach people from the stage about God in secular venues! How many people are you reaching with God's Word??
The truth is, is that these amazing Christian musicians reach more people with God's Word in a tour season than most Christians ever will in their life time.
Your judgement against any Christian musicians bringing people the Word of God is actually pretty sad and pathetic. How's Jesus going to judge you for judging other Christians who are spreading His Word through their music and on stage?? Are you going to stand before Him in confidence about your accusations toward them and those who were encouraged through it? Is He going to be in agreement with you? No, He won't be.
Who cares if you can't make out the lyrics. For you it's a foreign language, but for the people who understand it, it's encouraging for them.
Put on your big girl panties and grow up people. Keep living for Jesus and quit judging people over music preferences. You already know that Jesus didn't die on a cross and raise from the dead, so you could judge His people concerning what genre of Christian music they listen to. Such arguements and accusations should be far below anyone who persues an honest relationship and witness of Jesus Christ.
I'm an active musician in a hard rock Christian band and I teach people from the stage about God in secular venues! How many people are you reaching with God's Word??
The truth is, is that these amazing Christian musicians reach more people with God's Word in a tour season than most Christians ever will in their life time.
Your judgement against any Christian musicians bringing people the Word of God is actually pretty sad and pathetic. How's Jesus going to judge you for judging other Christians who are spreading His Word through their music and on stage?? Are you going to stand before Him in confidence about your accusations toward them and those who were encouraged through it? Is He going to be in agreement with you? No, He won't be.
Who cares if you can't make out the lyrics. For you it's a foreign language, but for the people who understand it, it's encouraging for them.
Put on your big girl panties and grow up people. Keep living for Jesus and quit judging people over music preferences. You already know that Jesus didn't die on a cross and raise from the dead, so you could judge His people concerning what genre of Christian music they listen to. Such arguements and accusations should be far below anyone who persues an honest relationship and witness of Jesus Christ.
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