Studying and talking about God vs experiencing him
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I have nothing to hide. And there is nothing wrong with my doctrine. What I do not want is to be subject to your erroneous personal responses. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Now, shall we go back to duking it out here (I still have that list of how far you depart from scripture), or do we call a truce and ignore each other?
Now, shall we go back to duking it out here (I still have that list of how far you depart from scripture), or do we call a truce and ignore each other?
you cherry pick my post and highlight all the i's and mes in it to try to prove your point and you think that proves your point? I mean just because I used the word me a lot and the letter I in that post doesn't show who the post is about. As I said before the horn tooted is not my own it's not about me it was never about me and never will be, I will work on not using the word me or the letter I so much in my posts but as I said before how can I boast in any way of myself? Tell me, does giving a testimony of how God uses you make you self centered or make it about you?
If I made it seem as if I was boasting of myself then I apologize
If I made it seem as if I was boasting of myself then I apologize
Yes it is but it's the only one worth running, you know even through out all the trials and hardships and all the times when our faith begins to waver and all through out the storms and the constant rebuilding of ones heart there is one thing I am sure we can all agree on. God certainly isn't boring lol
Yes., another "peculiar" person heard from on CC. Titus 2:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP]Who gave Himself on our behalf that He might redeem us (purchase our freedom) from all iniquity and purify for Himself a people [to be PECULIARLY His own, people who are] eager and enthusiastic about [living a life that is good and filled with] beneficial deeds. AMP
[SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a PECULIAR people, zealous of good works. KJV
That is a good idea we can perceive the scriptures in a different way by receiving it differently. I can read the scriptures but I find that by listening to it I not only receive it better but I can paint a picture better in my minds eye. I also have found that if we use the bible in different ways it helps us to connect to it better. Like for instance how i made that random scripture poetry game. I used a random scripture generator and wrote a poem based on that verse that appeared, I was amazed how the scriptures just spoke to me in doing this. And if I had the artistic talent I would try to draw the scriptures.
I think that not only studying the scriptures but applying them to what we do ad what we love to do helps to write them in our souls
I think that not only studying the scriptures but applying them to what we do ad what we love to do helps to write them in our souls
Ty Jerry I am just happy that he can use someone like me, I have to be honest a lot of times I worry about the things I post the words just flow out and at the moment of them flowing I only know to just type time sometimes I do so as if i will burst if I don't but afterwards I am concerned if I said something dumb. But so long as it helps at least one person in some way I think it's worth it.
Well I did use a lot the word me and the letter I and I have not ever really noticed that before. I don't mean to do that but I do wonder if I appear self centered and as for the post he made that remark from I don't think I was tooting my own horn but just in case I asked Stephanie to check it out for me because after all it's one thing for one person to say something about someone but when two or more sya the same thing then there might be some consideration needed
Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Mary chose that needful,and good part,which represents having a relationship with Jesus.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Some people did not have a relationship with Jesus.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But we learn the truth about God,and what He requires of us,and how to live our life,and salvation,through the word of God,to have a relationship with Him.
But if a person does not have a relationship with God,then studying the Bible is not going to save them,unless they come to the truth by reading the Bible.
Which some do not come to that truth,for they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,for they could not understand what God required of them,and that is to be led of the Spirit,but they wanted to be somewhat fleshy,not giving it all to all up.
Like Jesus said any person having put their hand to the plow looking back is not fit for the kingdom of God.
So is having a relationship with God better than studying the word of God,but we cannot have a relationship with God unless we read the word of God to know the truth.
If we do not have a relationship with God we are not saved,but we have to study the word of God to be approved of God,and the scriptures are able to make us wise unto salvation.
Both are important,and which came first the chicken or the egg,of course the chicken.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.
Mary chose that needful,and good part,which represents having a relationship with Jesus.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Some people did not have a relationship with Jesus.
2Ti 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
But we learn the truth about God,and what He requires of us,and how to live our life,and salvation,through the word of God,to have a relationship with Him.
But if a person does not have a relationship with God,then studying the Bible is not going to save them,unless they come to the truth by reading the Bible.
Which some do not come to that truth,for they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth,for they could not understand what God required of them,and that is to be led of the Spirit,but they wanted to be somewhat fleshy,not giving it all to all up.
Like Jesus said any person having put their hand to the plow looking back is not fit for the kingdom of God.
So is having a relationship with God better than studying the word of God,but we cannot have a relationship with God unless we read the word of God to know the truth.
If we do not have a relationship with God we are not saved,but we have to study the word of God to be approved of God,and the scriptures are able to make us wise unto salvation.
Both are important,and which came first the chicken or the egg,of course the chicken.
Hey Blain
Here is my take . I have never had a more closer relationship or experience with God than when I read the scriptures.
When I am quite and I let God speak thru the Bible I get the unobtrusive ,untainted message He has for us all . I do not discount my emotions but I do or try to keep them in check. Emotions change and are affected by such simple things like diet ,sleep victims, medications,other emotions,and I can go on . One thing dose not change is Scripture it’s there forever. So I chose the concrete over the malleable . Yes I love God and seek to experience his blessings . The best way I have seen to do this is by being quiet and listening ( reading) His word .
Isiah “6 A voice says, “Cry!”And I said, “What shall I cry?”
All flesh is grass,
and all its beauty is like the flower of the field.
7 The grass withers, the flower fades
when the breath of the LORD blows on it;
surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers, the flower fades,
but the word of our God will stand forever.”
I count myself as blessed . I am filled and my soul is nourished by His word . Look at it. What closer experience can one have to God than when we listen ( read ) the scriptures ? I leave me out and let it be about Him .
Blessings
Bill
Here is my take . I have never had a more closer relationship or experience with God than when I read the scriptures.
When I am quite and I let God speak thru the Bible I get the unobtrusive ,untainted message He has for us all . I do not discount my emotions but I do or try to keep them in check. Emotions change and are affected by such simple things like diet ,sleep victims, medications,other emotions,and I can go on . One thing dose not change is Scripture it’s there forever. So I chose the concrete over the malleable . Yes I love God and seek to experience his blessings . The best way I have seen to do this is by being quiet and listening ( reading) His word .
Isiah “6 A voice says, “Cry!”And I said, “What shall I cry?”
All flesh is grass,
and all its beauty is like the flower of the field.
7 The grass withers, the flower fades
when the breath of the LORD blows on it;
surely the people are grass.
8 The grass withers, the flower fades,
but the word of our God will stand forever.”
I count myself as blessed . I am filled and my soul is nourished by His word . Look at it. What closer experience can one have to God than when we listen ( read ) the scriptures ? I leave me out and let it be about Him .
Blessings
Bill
Question you? Your doctrine is extremely questionable and fails examination:
Mark 11:23
Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.
Matthew 12:21
Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
You are not going to move mountains with your faith.
Roger
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Mark 16:8 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them
Originally Posted by notuptome
So you believe in taking up deadly serpents? Drinking deadly poisons?
Roger
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1Co 14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
Originally Posted by notuptome
What possible reason would one have to speak in an unknown tongue to God?
Roger
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1 Corinthians 14: 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14: 39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Paul was not encouraging tongues
Roger
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1Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Why would anyone desire to renounce eternal life for eternal condemnation?
Roger
********
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My Name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Have you been seduced by the false premise of miracles and wonders?
Roger
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(Upon discussion that the true gifts will in the end glorify God)
Matthew 9:8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
1Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed! And no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit
1 John 4:4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.
Matthew 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
We test the spirits … not by what we believe to be the outcome
Roger
*******
1 Corinthian 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
The three sign gifts (including tongues) have ended… those who do them have a demon
Roger
*******
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Miracles, signs and wonders do not produce faith
Roger
*******
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
They followed for the miracles
Roger
*******
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
God changes according to who is speaking to and the time (paraphrased from a dispensational post)
Roger
*******
1 Corinthians 13:2 …and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains…
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Paul is using hyperbole when he says though I have all faith. He did not have all faith
Roger
*******
John 14:12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Mark 16:17 -18 And these signs shall follow them that believe ... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
God never endowed or promised to endow men with the authority He gave His Son
Roger
*******
Matthew 18: 15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
There is nothing Christian about shunning anyone
Roger
*******
1 Cor 14: 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Not a single soul in the NT ever prayed in tongues
Roger
*******
1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself
Originally Posted by notuptome :
To edify oneself does seem to be an inconsistent use of the term edify from a Biblical perspective
Roger
********
Now, do you want to continue down this road or will you honor my request to keep the peace?
Mark 11:23
Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.
Matthew 12:21
Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
You are not going to move mountains with your faith.
Roger
*******
Mark 16:8 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them
Originally Posted by notuptome
So you believe in taking up deadly serpents? Drinking deadly poisons?
Roger
*******
1Co 14:4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.
Originally Posted by notuptome
What possible reason would one have to speak in an unknown tongue to God?
Roger
*******
1 Corinthians 14: 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14: 39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Paul was not encouraging tongues
Roger
********
1Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Why would anyone desire to renounce eternal life for eternal condemnation?
Roger
********
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My Name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Have you been seduced by the false premise of miracles and wonders?
Roger
********
(Upon discussion that the true gifts will in the end glorify God)
Matthew 9:8 But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.
1Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed! And no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit
1 John 4:4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.
Matthew 7: 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
We test the spirits … not by what we believe to be the outcome
Roger
*******
1 Corinthian 14:39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
The three sign gifts (including tongues) have ended… those who do them have a demon
Roger
*******
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Miracles, signs and wonders do not produce faith
Roger
*******
John 6:26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
They followed for the miracles
Roger
*******
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
God changes according to who is speaking to and the time (paraphrased from a dispensational post)
Roger
*******
1 Corinthians 13:2 …and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains…
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Paul is using hyperbole when he says though I have all faith. He did not have all faith
Roger
*******
John 14:12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
Mark 16:17 -18 And these signs shall follow them that believe ... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
God never endowed or promised to endow men with the authority He gave His Son
Roger
*******
Matthew 18: 15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
There is nothing Christian about shunning anyone
Roger
*******
1 Cor 14: 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
Originally Posted by notuptome :
Not a single soul in the NT ever prayed in tongues
Roger
*******
1 Cor 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself
Originally Posted by notuptome :
To edify oneself does seem to be an inconsistent use of the term edify from a Biblical perspective
Roger
********
Now, do you want to continue down this road or will you honor my request to keep the peace?
That is absolutely fantastic my friend, my post was not to say that reading the scriptures is not enough but merely to provoke believers to expand their horizon in seeking but if reading the scriptures does that for you at that kind of level then believe me you have no idea how much that fills me with joy. All I want is for God's children to seek him and to develop a very deep and personal love and bond with him and it's testimonies like yours that make me giddy