SUFFERING AS YOUR ACT OF WORSHIP

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OK Don't forget though, the feet of the one that was given to you as teacher, and counselor. The Holy Spirit can teach you just as much as He can teach your "Bible believing" Pastor. Maybe more.
Thank you for your blessing too. God is blessing me continually. Financially, he has cancelled out almost a hundred thousand dollars in debt for me. I mean literally canceled the debts. By Jesus stripes I was healed of heart disease, hypothyroidism, and sleep apnea...Should I keep going? LOL Our God is such a good God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I hear you brother!! And YES!!! GO ON!!! We need to hear more of how Jesus can and will deliver us from lack in all areas of our lives. Jesus paid for all our sicknesses and diseases by His stripes we are healed in ALL areas of our lives. I'm so glad you have been healed in so many ways. You have a testimony and should tell it!

I know how Jesus can take away our debts. He wants us to pray in faith believing about the things that are NOT in our lives as though they ARE (because they ARE). He wants us to have a good expectation of Him and not an evil one. The problem is many believers are not taught this and reject it as false teaching. The very thing that God has done in Christ is rejected by many of our brethren Denadii!! because of the teachings they have had. And although you and I don't believe that way anymore., we once did. Or at least I once did.

Sickness is not of Him. Jesus came to release us from those evil things that come from sin in the world. Sin and sickness and death are horrors. He has not come to give them back to us after He so skillfully and painstakingly took them all away. A lot of believers have never been taught this Denadii., like I was never taught. To even pray such a thing went against every teaching in my church and so it went against everything I thought the Bible taught.

It takes the Holy Spirit to show us how to dare to believe. We can hear the truth but not believe it because our minds are conditioned to reject it as a lie and we have learned other verses that are wrongfully applied to the no healing teachings. It is a daring thing to believe when the whole of our world is dying and sick and miserable. When we are experiencing sickness and don't know we can dare to believe something that we have not ever experienced., or our loved ones and respected leaders have never experienced or ever been taught to believe before. That is the whole of what we have been taught. It takes the Holy Spirit to change that mind set.

And there is much to learn about it. Some believers like you are healed all at once., others like me are healed in steps. I've been learning how to keep the Word in my heart and not allow the enemy to steal it from me. It's often a day to day dealing of re learning again and again how to think and not allow the devil to steal our hope.

We are to contend for the faith in our minds and that IS where the battle is. Our minds need to be changed and it's a renewal process. I've come to learn by hearing and hearing and hearing. Ultimately the Holy Spirit is the One who brought the many verses back to my mind and also caused me to be able to cross over to the other side sort of speak of daring to believe and know the promises are real. (Grace is not a worldly teaching). He is the One who broke through the barriers of my former learning from the teachings of the Bible we had and He showed about His rest for the people of God.

When others of the household of faith don't have a Bible truth and are not blessed as we are no matter what break through we have., and we are tempted to boast., It sort of reminds me of how many Christians are annoyed at the Jews for rejecting Jesus. We can't boast against the branches no more than we can boast against what other believers have not yet gotten yet. Romans 11:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee.


None of us has arrived to the end of the journey here and when one battle is done another will soon come and we learn to be consistent and resistant to the enemies fiery arrows. And it's different for each of us since we each have certain sacred cows that need sacrificing.

 

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Good evening all...I have been saved for 22 months and wow i just can not get my head around how much the Holy Spirit has and is transforming my life :)...8 years ago i was addicted to the drug speed, my life was in a total mess, i was also binge drinking, but God had good plans for me and knew where i would be today...He got me off drugs before i was walking with the Lord, i was mentally unwell, unstable etc, today i am drug free( 8yrs ) and God has done wonders with the alcohol problem, the gaps are wider apart from the urge to drink, but i got type 2 diabetes and was dangerously sick, i was eating junk and no doubt the causes from my unhealthy life style contributed to the diabetes, but God has not taken that from me because He knows that if He did i could quite easily fall back in to my old habits and basically die, but how He has healed me to this day is by showing me how to eat healthy, i have lost over 2 stone in weight, He has brought me closer to most of my children, His healing ways have healed me much more then i could imagine and it`s not all about the physical, i may have this decease for the rest of my life, but it`s like my thorn in my side, if God took it away, i believe i would be going home to Him soon then later :). Praise God for His wonderful ways, as He says "My ways are not your ways says the LORD"...xox...
 
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Good evening all...I have been saved for 22 months and wow i just can not get my head around how much the Holy Spirit has and is transforming my life :)...8 years ago i was addicted to the drug speed, my life was in a total mess, i was also binge drinking, but God had good plans for me and knew where i would be today...He got me off drugs before i was walking with the Lord, i was mentally unwell, unstable etc, today i am drug free( 8yrs ) and God has done wonders with the alcohol problem, the gaps are wider apart from the urge to drink, but i got type 2 diabetes and was dangerously sick, i was eating junk and no doubt the causes from my unhealthy life style contributed to the diabetes, but God has not taken that from me because He knows that if He did i could quite easily fall back in to my old habits and basically die, but how He has healed me to this day is by showing me how to eat healthy, i have lost over 2 stone in weight, He has brought me closer to most of my children, His healing ways have healed me much more then i could imagine and it`s not all about the physical, i may have this decease for the rest of my life, but it`s like my thorn in my side, if God took it away, i believe i would be going home to Him soon then later :). Praise God for His wonderful ways, as He says "My ways are not your ways says the LORD"...xox...

I enjoyed reading about how God had His hand on your life before you even knew Him!

praise God for His faithfulness to us and for your enthusiasm and testimony :)

you also understand how healing can be a process and this is how God is working in your life. He gives us strength for our daily lives
 
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Thank You, Rose,

for such a beautiful and intimate testimony...it truly shows and teaches us that Jesus
heals at His discretion and for His own purpose, it mostly can't or mostly never will be an instant
'over-coming' of all of satan's curses that we are born into and that we have to deal with, it truly is,
one day at 'one time'...
Sweet Jesus...
 

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Good evening all...I have been saved for 22 months and wow i just can not get my head around how much the Holy Spirit has and is transforming my life :)...8 years ago i was addicted to the drug speed, my life was in a total mess, i was also binge drinking, but God had good plans for me and knew where i would be today...He got me off drugs before i was walking with the Lord, i was mentally unwell, unstable etc, today i am drug free( 8yrs ) and God has done wonders with the alcohol problem, the gaps are wider apart from the urge to drink, but i got type 2 diabetes and was dangerously sick, i was eating junk and no doubt the causes from my unhealthy life style contributed to the diabetes, but God has not taken that from me because He knows that if He did i could quite easily fall back in to my old habits and basically die, but how He has healed me to this day is by showing me how to eat healthy, i have lost over 2 stone in weight, He has brought me closer to most of my children, His healing ways have healed me much more then i could imagine and it`s not all about the physical, i may have this decease for the rest of my life, but it`s like my thorn in my side, if God took it away, i believe i would be going home to Him soon then later :). Praise God for His wonderful ways, as He says "My ways are not your ways says the LORD"...xox...

Amen Rosemary!!!! Jesus is so gracious to us. You can freely ask for healing sister and count on His promises. Grace is about giving us what we don't deserve. He has healed us and it was not done because we deserve it. Grace is getting what we don't deserve. Those who believe they are going to be healed because they are faithful are sadly mistaking. Healing is an act of grace through faith. We are healed because of what Jesus has done. Not what we do.

It's a journey to learn about all this so keep on going sister! Jesus has done so much in your life already by saving you. Now He has graciously healed you of those addictions and He is teaching you more and more about Him. Learning about grace is what taught me about healing. And the Bible says that " The grace of God teaches how to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts., how to live soberly righteously and Godly in this present world. Titus 2:12

He can do all the rest of the needed healing too., not because you deserve it but because He already paid for it. We acknowledge Him and learn about Him working "out" what He has already worked "in" us at salvation. And healing has been worked IN us already We work it out along with other things Jesus gave us by faith when we got saved. It just takes us time to learn how to do this by the Holy Spirit. We can't do any of this on our own.
 
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I hear you brother!! And YES!!! GO ON!!! We need to hear more of how Jesus can and will deliver us from lack in all areas of our lives. Jesus paid for all our sicknesses and diseases by His stripes we are healed in ALL areas of our lives. I'm so glad you have been healed in so many ways. You have a testimony and should tell it!

I know how Jesus can take away our debts. He wants us to pray in faith believing about the things that are NOT in our lives as though they ARE (because they ARE). He wants us to have a good expectation of Him and not an evil one. The problem is many believers are not taught this and reject it as false teaching. The very thing that God has done in Christ is rejected by many of our brethren Denadii!! because of the teachings they have had. And although you and I don't believe that way anymore., we once did. Or at least I once did.

Sickness is not of Him. Jesus came to release us from those evil things that come from sin in the world. Sin and sickness and death are horrors. He has not come to give them back to us after He so skillfully and painstakingly took them all away. A lot of believers have never been taught this Denadii., like I was never taught. To even pray such a thing went against every teaching in my church and so it went against everything I thought the Bible taught.

It takes the Holy Spirit to show us how to dare to believe. We can hear the truth but not believe it because our minds are conditioned to reject it as a lie and we have learned other verses that are wrongfully applied to the no healing teachings. It is a daring thing to believe when the whole of our world is dying and sick and miserable. When we are experiencing sickness and don't know we can dare to believe something that we have not ever experienced., or our loved ones and respected leaders have never experienced or ever been taught to believe before. That is the whole of what we have been taught. It takes the Holy Spirit to change that mind set.

And there is much to learn about it. Some believers like you are healed all at once., others like me are healed in steps. I've been learning how to keep the Word in my heart and not allow the enemy to steal it from me. It's often a day to day dealing of re learning again and again how to think and not allow the devil to steal our hope.

We are to contend for the faith in our minds and that IS where the battle is. Our minds need to be changed and it's a renewal process. I've come to learn by hearing and hearing and hearing. Ultimately the Holy Spirit is the One who brought the many verses back to my mind and also caused me to be able to cross over to the other side sort of speak of daring to believe and know the promises are real. (Grace is not a worldly teaching). He is the One who broke through the barriers of my former learning from the teachings of the Bible we had and He showed about His rest for the people of God.

When others of the household of faith don't have a Bible truth and are not blessed as we are no matter what break through we have., and we are tempted to boast., It sort of reminds me of how many Christians are annoyed at the Jews for rejecting Jesus. We can't boast against the branches no more than we can boast against what other believers have not yet gotten yet. Romans 11:18

[SUP]18 [/SUP]glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee.


None of us has arrived to the end of the journey here and when one battle is done another will soon come and we learn to be consistent and resistant to the enemies fiery arrows. And it's different for each of us since we each have certain sacred cows that need sacrificing.

And they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the Word in their testimony. I like that. The WORD in their testimony.
 
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Good evening all...I have been saved for 22 months and wow i just can not get my head around how much the Holy Spirit has and is transforming my life :)...8 years ago i was addicted to the drug speed, my life was in a total mess, i was also binge drinking, but God had good plans for me and knew where i would be today...He got me off drugs before i was walking with the Lord, i was mentally unwell, unstable etc, today i am drug free( 8yrs ) and God has done wonders with the alcohol problem, the gaps are wider apart from the urge to drink, but i got type 2 diabetes and was dangerously sick, i was eating junk and no doubt the causes from my unhealthy life style contributed to the diabetes, but God has not taken that from me because He knows that if He did i could quite easily fall back in to my old habits and basically die, but how He has healed me to this day is by showing me how to eat healthy, i have lost over 2 stone in weight, He has brought me closer to most of my children, His healing ways have healed me much more then i could imagine and it`s not all about the physical, i may have this decease for the rest of my life, but it`s like my thorn in my side, if God took it away, i believe i would be going home to Him soon then later :). Praise God for His wonderful ways, as He says "My ways are not your ways says the LORD"...xox...
Our God is a Really Good God!
 
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Hi Grace, Comments are in blue within the text.
Hi Desertsrose,

You are free in Christ to have your own opinions on this or any other subject. That is between you and your Lord.

Romans 14:22 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.


Bless you and have a great weekend coming up!
 

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I enjoyed reading about how God had His hand on your life before you even knew Him!

praise God for His faithfulness to us and for your enthusiasm and testimony :)

you also understand how healing can be a process and this is how God is working in your life. He gives us strength for our daily lives
Good morning Sevenseas...Yes He gives us strength each day, as in the Lords prayer He says " Give us this day our daily bread ". Great is His faithfulness...xox...
 
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Good morning Sevenseas...Yes He gives us strength each day, as in the Lords prayer He says " Give us this day our daily bread ". Great is His faithfulness...xox...

Amen...and it is interesting that Jesus calls physical healing "the children's bread".

This is the story of the Canaanite woman who was not a Jew that through her faith in hearing about Jesus - obtained by her faith in Christ alone healing for her daughter.

There are 2 places where Jesus said that people had great faith - both were not Jews who grew up with the Law. ( The law is not of faith )

Sometimes growing up without any religious beliefs to contaminate our faith in the love and grace of the Lord can be a blessing in disguise.

Jesus called physical healing - "the children's bread". He referred to healing as the "children's bread." In other words, healing is the rightful, normal, expected sustenance of the children of God - it's their inheritance!

We can see the same principle in action with the woman that was bent over for 18 years in the synagogue. Jesus said "Should not this women - seeing that she is a daughter of Abraham whom satan has bound for 18 years be loosed from this affliction?" Luke 13:16

Matthew 15:22-28 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed."

[SUP]23 [/SUP] But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us."

[SUP]24 [/SUP] But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


[SUP]25 [/SUP] But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

[SUP]27 [/SUP] But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.


Here is a great short article about it if interested. Bless you! You are safe in the Lord's hands.

The Children's Bread
 
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Good morning all...I was just thinking how wonderful, Amazing Gods work is when we look at people like Helen Keller...She was born deaf, dumb and blind...God gave her a wonderful stern women in her life to teach her so she could grow up and be a great example to those in life that have no hope...She grew up a godly women, her faith was in God, how can this be, because she believed in the wonders of our Almighty Father, she could not hear, she was blind and deaf, and yet she ended up going to colleges, passing exams and so much more, she even ended up speaking and teaching others, her faith the size of a mustard seed truly did grow into a huge tree, Praise the Lord \0/...
 

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Amen...and it is interesting that Jesus calls physical healing "the children's bread".

This is the story of the Canaanite woman who was not a Jew that through her faith in hearing about Jesus - obtained by her faith in Christ alone healing for her daughter.

There are 2 places where Jesus said that people had great faith - both were not Jews who grew up with the Law. ( The law is not of faith )

Sometimes growing up without any religious beliefs to contaminate our faith in the love and grace of the Lord can be a blessing in disguise.

Jesus called physical healing - "the children's bread". He referred to healing as the "children's bread." In other words, healing is the rightful, normal, expected sustenance of the children of God - it's their inheritance!

We can see the same principle in action with the woman that was bent over for 18 years in the synagogue. Jesus said "Should not this women - seeing that she is a daughter of Abraham whom satan has bound for 18 years be loosed from this affliction?" Luke 13:16

Matthew 15:22-28 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed."

[SUP]23 [/SUP] But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us."

[SUP]24 [/SUP] But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


[SUP]25 [/SUP] But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!"

[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs."

[SUP]27 [/SUP] But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once.


Here is a great short article about it if interested. Bless you! You are safe in the Lord's hands.

The Children's Bread
Hi Grace...Thank you for that, i always wondered what the lady was saying when she spoke about the crumbs falling from the table to the dogs, as i read this i got the understanding that she was feeding from the little faith she had, the crumb of faith that fed her, Jesus saw her faith in Him and healed her daughter, is that right...xox...
 
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Hi Grace...Thank you for that, i always wondered what the lady was saying when she spoke about the crumbs falling from the table to the dogs, as i read this i got the understanding that she was feeding from the little faith she had, the crumb of faith that fed her, Jesus saw her faith in Him and healed her daughter, is that right...xox...

Yes....it could be her "crumbs" of faith was all that was needed. And sometimes that is all that we have to live by - a "crumb" of faith in an certain area.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ. Rom. 10:17

There is probably lot's to do with this story that we can all learn principles by. To me the greatest one is "seeing Jesus " for who He truly was because it is from "Him" that we receive all things - not from a doctrine.

It seems that even the "little crumbs" are enough to give us life if we see Him. It seemed she was recognizing that she was viewed differently not being a Jew but yet she appealed to "Him".

I believe with all my heart that we haven't even scratched the surface of all that our Lord did for us on the cross and resurrection nor plumbed the depths of His great love and grace for all of us.
 

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Yes....it could be her "crumbs" of faith was all that was needed. And sometimes that is all that we have to live by - a "crumb" of faith in an certain area.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ. Rom. 10:17

There is probably lot's to do with this story that we can all learn principles by. To me the greatest one is "seeing Jesus " for who He truly was because it is from "Him" that we receive all things - not from a doctrine.

It seems that even the "little crumbs" are enough to give us life if we see Him. It seemed she was recognizing that she was viewed differently not being a Jew but yet she appealed to "Him".

I believe with all my heart that we haven't even scratched the surface of all that our Lord did for us on the cross and resurrection nor plumbed the depths of His great love and grace for all of us.
Yes i agree...I find it amazing that i have read certain Scriptures and got a certain message from one, only to go back to the same Scripture and get fed something else :D, same words but many meanings, that`s the beauty of reading the Word, when we read a normal book, some may read it a second time just to fill in the gaps they have missed, but with the Word of God, it can never be read and know it all because the Scriptures sends out different messages each time depending on where we are in our walk, maybe thats why so many people argue over certain paragraphs because the same Scripture we read has a different meaning for each person if you know what i mean, although the Scriptures never change lol, do you understand me, i think i may be waffling :confused:...xox...
 
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Yes i agree...I find it amazing that i have read certain Scriptures and got a certain message from one, only to go back to the same Scripture and get fed something else :D, same words but many meanings, that`s the beauty of reading the Word, when we read a normal book, some may read it a second time just to fill in the gaps they have missed, but with the Word of God, it can never be read and know it all because the Scriptures sends out different messages each time depending on where we are in our walk, maybe thats why so many people argue over certain paragraphs because the same Scripture we read has a different meaning for each person if you know what i mean, although the Scriptures never change lol, do you understand me, i think i may be waffling :confused:...xox...

I know exactly what you mean and experience it just about every day. I look at a scripture now and say "How in the world did I not see that before?"

Only the Holy Spirit can reveal the things of Christ to us. Our natural minds default to our humanistic belief systems and patterns of thought which are really contrary to the kingdom of God and how it functions.
 
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The Catholic does not mix faith(the unseen) in what they do hear or see as those who must walk by sight in regard to their own suffering, hopes that their suffering will add to His, making the grace of God without effect.

Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

The afflictions that are left behind to begin with were not physical as the source. The flesh profits for nothing. But are in respect to that not seen as the Father bruised the Son according to . Isaiah 53 .

Because the Son of man is not longer here the father of lies who has no form chases after Christ’s children as that seen, to try and make the gospel without effect. We are not accredited the persecution Christ. Not seen

Salavation is the work of two attributes working by one God, as the father submitted to the Son in perfect harmony the Son sunmited to the father .This gives us the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding . Again we do not get the credit for the suffering of Christ
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No difference between he and Him or the Lord and Him... same one Spirit.

Jesus said the father and I are one. Not that they will be or were.When Christ said it is finished as the Son of man (the outward demnostartion of a unseen work ) the glory that he had before the one time demonstration as the Son of God returned to the father.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolonghisdays, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquiti
 
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keep your ears open precious ones, in any 'chat', there are multiple posters replying
to themselves-alter egos'...after a while is really becomes to transparent...

it never ceases to amaze us what satan thinks of himself and how dumb he thinks
we all are...:eek::rolleyes:
 
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This is a good meme for this thread.

The health, wealth, and prosperity gospel and Word of Faith movement are definitely toilet bowl theology.
 

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you are either putting on the dog, or you are a great pretender/deceiver, or one of satan's
high-up stooges.
of what the 'dark-side' teaches', and tries to persuade the world of...this is so 'sick and demonic'...
for your words are totally 'un-Biblical...
From this reply you gave, its very obvious that you know NOTHING of the Word. Keep flapping your gums, old man.