THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF CHRIST SHALL BE SAVED."
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The same scripture that describes Chevrolets and Cadillacs.
What about that statement made you think it was a comment about scripture?
You aren't in scripture either, so I don't believe in YOU! Neener neeener.
It's a fact. I've asked people, literally thousands what "born again", or what "Christian" means, and I've yet to get the same answer. They may agree on some sentence or two of words, but when I ask them about what they words mean, I can make them fight each other just by asking questions. People get rabid over this topic.
The words have no meaning in any real conversation about God and His Church.
And, trust me, you don't wanna go into my view of what Born again means. It'll just freak you out.
AND it's irrelevant what I believe, the point was, and stands. Every person has a different thought of what those mean.
If you have a thousand different colors in a field. And you send one hundred people out to get the green one. There are 85 shades of green, every person gets their own shade, and all swears they have green. Until you determine WHICH GREEN is just GREEN, it's irrelevant to talk about the "green" whatever they are.
Same with Born Again, some people believe it happens at baptism, some sometime after baptism. So if the first asks if you have been baptized, they assume you are born again, but you may not think you are yet born again.
OR the person who hasn't been baptized may tell the first he's born again, and the first think they are nuts because they haven't been baptized yet. See the issue? Until those words have a uniform definition in a conversation, they are more confusing than helpful.
What about that statement made you think it was a comment about scripture?
You aren't in scripture either, so I don't believe in YOU! Neener neeener.
It's a fact. I've asked people, literally thousands what "born again", or what "Christian" means, and I've yet to get the same answer. They may agree on some sentence or two of words, but when I ask them about what they words mean, I can make them fight each other just by asking questions. People get rabid over this topic.
The words have no meaning in any real conversation about God and His Church.
And, trust me, you don't wanna go into my view of what Born again means. It'll just freak you out.
AND it's irrelevant what I believe, the point was, and stands. Every person has a different thought of what those mean.
If you have a thousand different colors in a field. And you send one hundred people out to get the green one. There are 85 shades of green, every person gets their own shade, and all swears they have green. Until you determine WHICH GREEN is just GREEN, it's irrelevant to talk about the "green" whatever they are.
Same with Born Again, some people believe it happens at baptism, some sometime after baptism. So if the first asks if you have been baptized, they assume you are born again, but you may not think you are yet born again.
OR the person who hasn't been baptized may tell the first he's born again, and the first think they are nuts because they haven't been baptized yet. See the issue? Until those words have a uniform definition in a conversation, they are more confusing than helpful.
Svdbygrace,
Show me what you think it means. I'll show you how that isn't biblical.
The point is, ask 1000 Christians what it means, you get different definitions of the word.
I'm quite sure the Bible didn't prophesy I'd write that in this thread on this forum, so I'm positive it is not in the Bible. Further if you think it should be, my prediction, you are one big pile of squirrel snacks.
Show me what you think it means. I'll show you how that isn't biblical.
The point is, ask 1000 Christians what it means, you get different definitions of the word.
I'm quite sure the Bible didn't prophesy I'd write that in this thread on this forum, so I'm positive it is not in the Bible. Further if you think it should be, my prediction, you are one big pile of squirrel snacks.
And yes i believe in grace for we all fall short of the glory at first i made so many mistakes but throuvh years in the word in fervent prayer in discrrnment as well as the spirit God has transformed me the key is if any shall sin simply confess to christ jesus in full repentance and walk in cleanliness do not ever give up or baby treat it but purge the leaven but not by the might of man or by power of any kind but by God's spirit for what is imposible for man is possible with GOD
Ok, so by your words, anytime along that path, had you died, making mistakes you would have gone to hell.
that's what you said up above. You had to be past the sins thing. But during that time you weren't. So you were hell bound. See I think Grace is grace. And if you sinned after Grace, you have a mediator, that's the purpose of a mediator. if you don't ever sin again after you become His, you have no need for a mediator. You just need to get your @#$@ together and do it.
So, my objection is,you credit prayer and discernment up there. In my bible it says HE does the changing. All of it. It's a synergistic thing that I do things in too, but it's all him.
Thanks for explaining. I wanted to understand where you were coming from better. Those are my objections as I see it, but not condemnations of your words or you.
Stop being dense. It's gotta be deliberate.
YES, there is no scripture that says a room full of believers will have different definitions.
IT IS AN OBSERVED FACT OF LIFE.
It's EMPIRICAL, it's not questionable. If you wish to test my claim, let's test it. But there is as much likelihood of your birth certificate being in there than there is a statement about on September 2, 2013, it will be said that 2000 Christians defining what a Christian is, or Born again means will have different definitions. You are right. That's not in the bible.
SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT.
YES, there is no scripture that says a room full of believers will have different definitions.
IT IS AN OBSERVED FACT OF LIFE.
It's EMPIRICAL, it's not questionable. If you wish to test my claim, let's test it. But there is as much likelihood of your birth certificate being in there than there is a statement about on September 2, 2013, it will be said that 2000 Christians defining what a Christian is, or Born again means will have different definitions. You are right. That's not in the bible.
SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT.
Not at all brother only satan condemms but jesus came to save us but through grace we are saved but we are to fight a good fight of faith its not by simply works but we must fight a good fight to the end though we not be perfect we will prevail and God will make us perfect through his blood perfecting us constantly in the spirit in all peace meekness temperance patience kindness estemming one another inthat love wich is christ. The kingdom is holy the sceptre of his kingdom is the righteousness of the spirit (psalms 45:6)
this is the eternal law of the spirit in wich we are to abide (romans 8;2)
this is the eternal law of the spirit in wich we are to abide (romans 8;2)
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before tha t great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved 1 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before tha t great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved 1 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
FOR MY BROTHER
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who Yahweh calls."
HalleluYAHWEH!
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant who Yahweh calls."
HalleluYAHWEH!
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."