If I choose the use their real names hos is this demanding anything, it is what i choose.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
There was a reason satab wanted this to happen:
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the iremnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Isayah 65:15, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name; Yahweh, that will remain forever."
Yeremyah 12"14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors (not Israylites, but GENTILES) who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]You said Noah had the laws. The laws Paul discussed had nothing to do with Noah. They were the Levitical laws. The only laws Noah received were build the ark, load the critters, and open the doors to let them go. SO if you want to obey Noah's laws, do you have two of every critter?But, you don't know what Noah knew was clean or unclean. There was no laws at the time for Him to use. Whatever God directed him to eat or not eat isn't mentioned is it? [/QUOTE]
Genesis 7:2, "You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female."
How did Noah know the clean from the unclean? Did Yahweh INSTRUCT him which were edible and which werent? or did he randomly choose?
[/QUOTE]WHo said chocolate cake was better than vanilla! That's the same person that said anything about Noah being a priest. I don't' see it anywhere in the chat. I"m tired so I could be missing something. Here's a real chance to show me out and put me in my place, where did someone say something about Noah being a priest?[/QUOTE]
these are your words.
[/QUOTE]MELCHIZEDEK was the HIGH PRIEST of that time. DO you contend He really wasn't, scripture lies and Noah was? [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Show me the "law" of God on what was clean and unclean. [/QUOTE]
See Leviticus 11
[/QUOTE]Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law. [/QUOTE]
Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."
Hebrews 7:1-2, "For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of Yahweh Most High, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, And Abraham also gave him a tenth part of all."
Abramham paid tithes to Melchizedek, PART OF THE LAW and the above verse shows Abraham KEPT THE LAW OF YAHWEH.
[/QUOTE]Paul/Peter teach it's not about what you eat.
If that is the rule in Christ's Church, being OF THE ORDER OF MEL's church, then Mel's church could eat without restriction as well. [/QUOTE]
Shaul (Paul did not considre wine food because it is not, The reason Yahweh tells us dont eat swine is because HE CREATED IT to be nature's garbage disposal. Nothing is unclean of itself, but when the pig, shrimp, catfish, lobstar, etc eat rotten carcases, fecees, etc THEY BECOME UNCLEAN. The pig has a parasite caleed thrichnosis, this parasite lays eggs IN YOUR BODY and multiplies whenb you get older and your immune system weakens. So yes Yahweh does not want you to be unhealthy. An ounce of pork a day can increase the chance of pancreatic cancer by 20%.
[/QUOTE]The laws that were done away with, according to Paul were the laws dealing with circumcision required to join them on an individual basis.[/QUOTE]
THESE ARE YAHSHUA'S WORDS
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
If anyone went against what Yahshua said they are a liar. Yahshua didnt say the Law will not pass for another 15 min., He made it clear. Also it's not like He didn't know what was coming.
According to Paul we don't do away with the Law:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Kepha did not write this for NO REASON, Yahwe did not have this written for NO REASON.
2 Kepha 3:15-16, "And recognize that the longsuffering of Yahweh our Savior is salvation; just as our beloved brother Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
[/QUOTE]The point is, it's not about what you can do, but how you grow and thus live.
You are all about what you can do.
Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
You seem to have me figured out pretty well, especially since you have never met me, and only seen my words for a short amount of time. You seem to have a problem with me wanting to be and preaching obedience to Yahweh. Did Shaul, Kepha, Yahchanan, Yaaqob, etc or Yahshua preach obedience to Yahweh?
1 Yahchanan 2:3-5, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not dkeep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him." (you can say Law, Commandment, Instruction, they are all the same)
Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
[/QUOTE]Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
So according to what you think Shaul said, is Yahshua telling us to "kicked grace to the curb" in Revelation 22:14:
Or in Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
You see this is the FOUNDATION, if this is not applied, one may be choosing their OWN WAY.
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
These people claim the Messiah, but the problem is their INIQUITY, so what is iniquity?
Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.
[/QUOTE]So, my question earlier somewhere, why do you turn your back on Christ's Church for this bastardized (not a profane word, look it up), version of the Jewish faith? Who are you trying to improve, God or other men, with your act? [/QUOTE]
So I turn my back by listening to His words and tryin to follow them?
And Jewish faith? From the beginning it was for all, you fall for the lies of the Pharisees by thinking the seperation was from anything other than satan.
Exodus 12:18-19, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
No "jewish proselites" that is another lie from the theological cemetary, if you listen to Yahweh it is:"As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]God isn't gonna be fooled. So I hope you listen and consider you could be wrong and try to work through these arguments of mine, rather than ignore them as you have so far, and dance all over the place. [/QUOTE]
I dont even know what to say to this. it semes to me that you have been presented with some of Yahweh's truth, most if not all of your claims IN THIS POST were proven wrong by the mouth of Yahweh. I have hope that you will follow Yahweh and not those doctriens of men you seem to believe.
Micahyah 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
[/QUOTE]Be well, and good studies.[/QUOTE]
No hard fellings, from me either.
I hope it that Yahweh does his will in all our lives.
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
There was a reason satab wanted this to happen:
Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the iremnant who has escaped of those whom Yahweh calls."
Isayah 65:15, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name; Yahweh, that will remain forever."
Yeremyah 12"14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors (not Israylites, but GENTILES) who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his aheritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]You said Noah had the laws. The laws Paul discussed had nothing to do with Noah. They were the Levitical laws. The only laws Noah received were build the ark, load the critters, and open the doors to let them go. SO if you want to obey Noah's laws, do you have two of every critter?But, you don't know what Noah knew was clean or unclean. There was no laws at the time for Him to use. Whatever God directed him to eat or not eat isn't mentioned is it? [/QUOTE]
Genesis 7:2, "You shall take with you seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of animals that are unclean, a male and his female."
How did Noah know the clean from the unclean? Did Yahweh INSTRUCT him which were edible and which werent? or did he randomly choose?
[/QUOTE]WHo said chocolate cake was better than vanilla! That's the same person that said anything about Noah being a priest. I don't' see it anywhere in the chat. I"m tired so I could be missing something. Here's a real chance to show me out and put me in my place, where did someone say something about Noah being a priest?[/QUOTE]
these are your words.
[/QUOTE]MELCHIZEDEK was the HIGH PRIEST of that time. DO you contend He really wasn't, scripture lies and Noah was? [/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]Show me the "law" of God on what was clean and unclean. [/QUOTE]
See Leviticus 11
[/QUOTE]Christ's Church is as Mel's before Jews and the law. [/QUOTE]
Genesis 26:5, "Because Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My Laws."
Hebrews 7:1-2, "For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of Yahweh Most High, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, And Abraham also gave him a tenth part of all."
Abramham paid tithes to Melchizedek, PART OF THE LAW and the above verse shows Abraham KEPT THE LAW OF YAHWEH.
[/QUOTE]Paul/Peter teach it's not about what you eat.
If that is the rule in Christ's Church, being OF THE ORDER OF MEL's church, then Mel's church could eat without restriction as well. [/QUOTE]
Shaul (Paul did not considre wine food because it is not, The reason Yahweh tells us dont eat swine is because HE CREATED IT to be nature's garbage disposal. Nothing is unclean of itself, but when the pig, shrimp, catfish, lobstar, etc eat rotten carcases, fecees, etc THEY BECOME UNCLEAN. The pig has a parasite caleed thrichnosis, this parasite lays eggs IN YOUR BODY and multiplies whenb you get older and your immune system weakens. So yes Yahweh does not want you to be unhealthy. An ounce of pork a day can increase the chance of pancreatic cancer by 20%.
[/QUOTE]The laws that were done away with, according to Paul were the laws dealing with circumcision required to join them on an individual basis.[/QUOTE]
THESE ARE YAHSHUA'S WORDS
Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
If anyone went against what Yahshua said they are a liar. Yahshua didnt say the Law will not pass for another 15 min., He made it clear. Also it's not like He didn't know what was coming.
According to Paul we don't do away with the Law:
Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"
Kepha did not write this for NO REASON, Yahwe did not have this written for NO REASON.
2 Kepha 3:15-16, "And recognize that the longsuffering of Yahweh our Savior is salvation; just as our beloved brother Shaul, in accordance with the wisdom given to him, has written to you, As also in all his letters, speaking in them about these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which those who are unlearned and unstable twist, as they also do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."
[/QUOTE]The point is, it's not about what you can do, but how you grow and thus live.
You are all about what you can do.
Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
You seem to have me figured out pretty well, especially since you have never met me, and only seen my words for a short amount of time. You seem to have a problem with me wanting to be and preaching obedience to Yahweh. Did Shaul, Kepha, Yahchanan, Yaaqob, etc or Yahshua preach obedience to Yahweh?
1 Yahchanan 2:3-5, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not dkeep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him." (you can say Law, Commandment, Instruction, they are all the same)
Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
[/QUOTE]Paul says you' have kicked grace to the curb with your approach. [/QUOTE]
So according to what you think Shaul said, is Yahshua telling us to "kicked grace to the curb" in Revelation 22:14:
Or in Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."
You see this is the FOUNDATION, if this is not applied, one may be choosing their OWN WAY.
Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
These people claim the Messiah, but the problem is their INIQUITY, so what is iniquity?
Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.
[/QUOTE]So, my question earlier somewhere, why do you turn your back on Christ's Church for this bastardized (not a profane word, look it up), version of the Jewish faith? Who are you trying to improve, God or other men, with your act? [/QUOTE]
So I turn my back by listening to His words and tryin to follow them?
And Jewish faith? From the beginning it was for all, you fall for the lies of the Pharisees by thinking the seperation was from anything other than satan.
Exodus 12:18-19, "And when a stranger lives among you and wants to sacrifice the Passover to Yahweh, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near, and sacrifice it; and he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it. One Law shall be for the nativeborn and for the stranger who dwells among you."
Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
No "jewish proselites" that is another lie from the theological cemetary, if you listen to Yahweh it is:"As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh."
[/QUOTE]God isn't gonna be fooled. So I hope you listen and consider you could be wrong and try to work through these arguments of mine, rather than ignore them as you have so far, and dance all over the place. [/QUOTE]
I dont even know what to say to this. it semes to me that you have been presented with some of Yahweh's truth, most if not all of your claims IN THIS POST were proven wrong by the mouth of Yahweh. I have hope that you will follow Yahweh and not those doctriens of men you seem to believe.
Micahyah 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
[/QUOTE]Be well, and good studies.[/QUOTE]
No hard fellings, from me either.
I hope it that Yahweh does his will in all our lives.
Why would you use the hebrew names and traditions, etc... if it wasn't part of your natural culture and heritage...... dunno but one thing is sure, that means it is not natural for you, it is performed/orchestrated.