The “I Wills” of God

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eternally-gratefull

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The Bible also exemplifies the fact we should study to show ourselves approved & search the scriptures daily to see if what people say are so.

As far as name calling is concerned, a heretic is a sinner if he doesn't repent after being reproved.

If false teachings are proved wrong, the church has been commanded to judge righteous judgment.
Does this go for you too?

You tried to prove hypergrace gospel was heresy, you utterly miserably failed, Yet you still judge it as heresy, Does this not make you yourself a heretic?


granted the WOF aspect of the group is shown to be lacking, but the gospel part is not, But you want to shame a whole group because you hate WOF. and it gave you a greater argument to use against the teachers of grace alone also.

 
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The bible also teaches that all things are in God's tool box, the second you think you can't learn from a person like joseph smith is the day God uses him to show you something,
This is like saying there is an sexual intimacy issue in the marriage with the man, so the man should go to the local prostitute or adult bookstore to get advice to solve the sexual intimacy issue in his marriage...
 
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Ahh now I don't think your a heretic my friend, I'm just saying God can use what ever he wishes to use to bring a message to anyone you chooses, do you think satan can stop God from doing that?
This is like saying you have a porn addiction and God brings a porn actress into your life to tell you to stop watching porn....
 
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Very well then the measure you use to measure others will be upon you. Isn't that what the bible says about judging others, we should be slow to speak quick to think in times of name calling.
So you lost the debate and now call him out for being judgemental....you are one very interesting fellow...
 
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So you lost the debate and now call him out for being judgemental....you are one very interesting fellow...
Your last three posts are troublesome, I wish you would rethink them
 
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Your last three posts are troublesome, I wish you would rethink them
BeyondET is stating that God will use anyone to speak to you.....there are passages in the Bible that refute this soundly....I am using alarming examples to bring attention to this fact....if that is troublesome....so be it....

The examples show his absurd statements....Yeah so God would use a witch to tell you about Jesus....
 
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BeyondET is stating that God will use anyone to speak to you.....
no he said God could


there are passages in the Bible that refute this soundly....I am using alarming examples to bring attention to this fact....if that is troublesome....so be it....

The examples show his absurd statements....Yeah so God would use a witch to tell you about Jesus....
god used a sinner to prophesy, he can do whatever he wants,

stephen again attacked based on a doctrine, not principle, all beyond said was that the person may be right, Stephen should not judge blindly.

I happen to agree with beyond, and am baffled by yur defense of stephen
 
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It is very telling that there was no talk about what the Lord has said He will do for us and how we can trust in His word to us as the OP talked about.

Instead it didn't take long for the enemy to come in and start strife and division. Make no mistake about it - there is an all out war on the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and it will come from religious mindsets just like what happened to Jesus when He came preaching and teaching the kingdom realities.

But neither any man nor devil can do anything to stop the proclaiming of the love and grace of our loving Father and Lord towards us and towards those in the world. The whole earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory ( goodness ) of the Lord.

All is well...The Lord will be faithful to what He said He would do and what He has already done because of His great love for us....:)
 

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Before anyone goes off reading an article of man.. please read this:

Hebrews 10

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10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



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The Lord Jesus Christ has put teachers in the body of Christ. God works through "man" to reveal the things of Christ and the Holy Spirit will "witness" to the truths of Christ that is being spoken to us.

Thank God for the "I wills" in Hebrews 10:16-17 of which this truth is what the Holy Spirit witnesses to.


Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33.
Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the statement of ultimate truth. The work of Jesus' finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.


Heb. 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

But those Jews that have chosen to believe in Christ's sacrifice are not those that have drawn back but have embraced "believing" in what Jesus has already done and thus have been saved.
 
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This is an excellent article that looks at the difference between the Old Covenant which is obsolete and is a goner and looks at the New Covenant which is where us Christians live in now.

I like this website as it has grace-based views of the finished work of Christ and how we are to rely on Christ and what he has already done for us in the cross and resurrection.

It also has at the bottom a place where others have asked questions and sometimes I learn from this area as well.

The “I Wills” of God

At the foot of Mt Sinai the Israelites boasted “We will do everything the Lord commands” (Ex 19:8). Perhaps you have said something similar, but this is a fatal boast, and a recipe for disaster. Make an impossible promise and you will invariably break it.

What the Lord demands you cannot provide. This is the lesson of the old covenant, yet many have not learned it. They’re stuck on the vicious cycle of making and breaking promises, repenting, then promising to do better next time.

Oh, how we need a revelation of the new covenant that is based on his unbreakable promises to us.

I will make an everlasting covenant with them: I will never stop doing good to them, and I will inspire them to fear me, so that they will never turn away from me. (Jeremiah 32:40)

The difference between the old and the new is we will versus he will. In the old, we broke our word again and again, but in the new He keeps his word forever. It’s a huge difference. We no longer wobble on the shaky ground of our resolve, but we stand secure on the Rock of Ages.





List all the promises you have ever made to the Lord and you will find it is a worthless list. Every promise is either a launch pad to disappointment (“Sorry I let you down”) or pride (“Look how good I am”). Your carnal promises ain’t worth spit.

How much better to list the promises the Lord has made to us. Every promise is pure gold. Whether you stand or fall, his promises remain as reliable as ever.

So let us quit making promises we can’t keep and trust in the eternal promises of our Father. Let us give up the futile practice of saying “I will” and put our faith in the “I wills” of God. Here they are:

I will make an everlasting covenant with them (Jer 32:40)

I will never stop doing good to you (Jer 32:40)

I will bless you (Gen 22:17)

I will be your God, and you will be my people (Jer 31:33, Eze 36:28, Heb 8:10)

I will have compassion on you (Is 54:8)

I will forgive your wickedness (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will remember your sins no more (Jer 31:34, Heb 8:12)

I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean (Eze 36:25)

I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols (Eze 36:25)

I will give you a new heart (Eze 36:26)

I will put my Spirit in you (Eze 36:25)

I will save you (Eze 36:29)

I will not forget you (Is 49:15)

I will strengthen you (Isa 41:10)

I will help you (Isa 41:10)

I will uphold you with my righteous right hand (Isa 41:10)

I will be with you when you pass through the waters and flame (Is 43:2)

I will instruct you and teach you in the way which you should go (Psa 32:8)

I will counsel you with my eye upon you (Psa 32:8)

I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field (Eze 36:30)

I will rescue you from every attack and will bring you safely to my heavenly kingdom (2 Tim 4:18)

I will never cast you out (John 6:37)

I will never leave you or forsake you (Heb 13:5)

I will never blot out your name from the book of life (Rev 3:5)

I will raise you up on the last day (John 6:39-40)

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.

Find your rest in God’s good word and be set free from the endless cycle of making and breaking promises. There are no ifs in God’s promises to us, no conditions for you to fulfill. All He asks is that you take Him at His word. All He requires is that you believe in His eternal goodness as revealed in Jesus.

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Here is the place if you want to ask a question or just read them. It's a new posting so there might not be much there right now - but there will...:)

https://escapetoreality.org/2017/07/20/the-i-wills-of-god/
Amen ...I AM (Jehovah our savior) informs us I will not I might. He is our confidence

For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;Being confidentof this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ Phi 1:6
 
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I thinks folks who see a lot of verses about grace seem to think it's all about hyper grace, when has it been heresy to talk about grace and grace and more grace.
Well said..

There will always be those that oppose the message of the grace of God in Christ's work and either will attack the one sending the message and completely miss the reality of the faithfulness of God in our lives.

It is usually those that think we need to work for our salvation in some form or other or we will lose salvation that love to use the derogatory term "hyper-grace" or "greasy-grace" or "easy believism". These do not like some aspect of the grace of God in Christ's finished work because it "conflicts" with their church teachings and traditions.

The other group are the law-keepers - those that believe we live by the 10 commandments ( with all it's many side dished - like keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament or you are sinning types )

Ironically both groups are eating the fruit from the very same tree that has been released into the world from Adam's transgression. We Christians eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself and His life will manifest as we feed Christians the proper nutrients of His love and grace.

Then people of the world will see real love being exhibited towards them that will reveal our loving Father's and Lord's love and grace towards them - when they hear the "I will's" of our Lord.

This part is true and it is this part that can be a stumbling block to those of us that think we must "work" and keep ourselves saved. Christ Himself and His work is always a stumbling block to those of us in works-righteousness.

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.
 
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Well said..

There will always be those that oppose the message of the grace of God in Christ's work and either will attack the one sending the messageand completely miss the reality of the faithfulness of God in our lives.

It is usually those that think we need to work for our salvation in some form or other or we will lose salvation that love to use the derogatory term "hyper-grace" or "greasy-grace" or "easy believism".
Hi Grace777,

Just wondering why you say the above yet you say and do this to others below when you can't answer someone with God's Word? You use derogatory names against others and I can pull up all the posts if you like, but you know already right?

....witchcraft, Judaizing spirit, secret codes, works of the flesh, spiritual mind manipulators, Judaizers etc.

Your own name calling against others testifies against you. (please read Gal 5:22; Eph 5:9-10; Matt 7:16-20). Jesus says, shall know them by their fruits.
 
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Hi Grace777,

Just wondering why you say the above yet you say and do this to others below when you can't answer someone with God's Word? You use derogatory names against others and I can pull up all the posts if you like, but you know already right?

....witchcraft, Judaizing spirit, secret codes, works of the flesh, spiritual mind manipulators, Judaizers etc.

Your own name calling against others testifies against you. (please read Gal 5:22; Eph 5:9-10; Matt 7:16-20). Jesus says, shall know them by their fruits.
I think you meant name identifying. Christ called the law of the father a brood of vipers by their fruit of self righteousness you know them
 
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I think you meant name identifying. Christ called the law of the father a brood of vipers by their fruit of self righteousness you know them
So in your opinion garee it is ok for some people to use derogatory name calling and others should not :confused: Any excuse will do I guess not to pull out the beam from your own eye
 
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Well said..

There will always be those that oppose the message of the grace of God in Christ's work and either will attack the one sending the message and completely miss the reality of the faithfulness of God in our lives.

It is usually those that think we need to work for our salvation in some form or other or we will lose salvation that love to use the derogatory term "hyper-grace" or "greasy-grace" or "easy believism". These do not like some aspect of the grace of God in Christ's finished work because it "conflicts" with their church teachings and traditions.

The other group are the law-keepers - those that believe we live by the 10 commandments ( with all it's many side dished - like keep the Sabbath as in the Old Testament or you are sinning types )

Ironically both groups are eating the fruit from the very same tree that has been released into the world from Adam's transgression. We Christians eat from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself and His life will manifest as we feed Christians the proper nutrients of His love and grace.

Then people of the world will see real love being exhibited towards them that will reveal our loving Father's and Lord's love and grace towards them - when they hear the "I will's" of our Lord.

This part is true and it is this part that can be a stumbling block to those of us that think we must "work" and keep ourselves saved. Christ Himself and His work is always a stumbling block to those of us in works-righteousness.

What the Lord requires, He provides. This is the lesson of the new covenant and we need to learn it. Everything you need – salvation, holiness, righteousness – He freely supplies according to the riches of his grace in Christ Jesus.
Exactly all grace as unmerited favor on our part.. merrited as a work of Christ's faith on Christ part is hyper. You cannot divide grace from grace unles a person does despite to it.


Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
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Hi Grace777,

Just wondering why you say the above yet you say and do this to others below when you can't answer someone with God's Word? You use derogatory names against others and I can pull up all the posts if you like, but you know already right?

....witchcraft, Judaizing spirit, secret codes, works of the flesh, spiritual mind manipulators, Judaizers etc.

Your own name calling against others testifies against you. (please read Gal 5:22; Eph 5:9-10; Matt 7:16-20). Jesus says, shall know them by their fruits.

Amen..I boldly stand against the Judaizer spirit that tries to deceive us Christians that have put our faith in Christ's work alone.

Here is where I and others stand against the deceiving spirit that tries to condemn Christians and say they are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath as in the Old Testament.

Here are some examples of others and myself showing this for what it truly is.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-37.html#post3197033

Especially those that say that if Christians that meet for worship on sundays instead of Saturday ( in reality we assemble together and worship every day as Christians ) are taking the make of the beast.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-37.html#post3197181

Here is another one.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-36.html#post3195883

This is the reason why many are standing against this deceiving spirit and Paul said to the Galatians that he didn't subject himself to this for even one hour so that the truth of the gospel will remain with the Galatians.

Galatians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

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But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
 
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Amen..I boldly stand against the Judaizer spirit that tries to deceive us Christians that have put our faith in Christ's work alone.

Here is where I and others stand against the deceiving spirit that tries to condemn Christians and say they are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath as in the Old Testament.

Here are some examples of others and myself showing this for what it truly is.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-37.html#post3197033

Especially those that say that if Christians that meet for worship on sundays instead of Saturday ( in reality we assemble together and worship every day as Christians ) are taking the make of the beast.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-37.html#post3197181

Here is another one.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/154930-you-righteous-36.html#post3195883

This is the reason why many are standing against this deceiving spirit and Paul said to the Galatians that he didn't subject himself to this for even one hour so that the truth of the gospel will remain with the Galatians.

Galatians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

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But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
This is why we stand against the Judaizing spirit. This is from the website in the signature of loveGodforever. The mark of the beast to them is us Christians that worship the Lord on a different day then the Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses.

Those who receive the mark in their foreheads believe that the Sunday law is necessary to regain God’s favor, while those marked in the hand obey only out of fear of death (Rev 13:15-18).

THE MARK OF THE BEAST COMES FROM LEGISLATED LAWS OF ENFORCED SUNDAY WORSHIP AND BREAKING ANY OF GOD"S COMMANDMENTS

RECEIVING THE MARK IN THE FOREHEAD = TO BELIEVE IN SUNDAY WORSHIP AND TO OBEY IT

RECEIVING THE MARK IN THE HAND = TO OBEY (You don't need to believe in Sunday Worship)

Here is the website link. Now you can see why we stand against this deceiving spirit.

https://www.beastsmark.com/
 
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This is like saying there is an sexual intimacy issue in the marriage with the man, so the man should go to the local prostitute or adult bookstore to get advice to solve the sexual intimacy issue in his marriage...
This is nothing but you exploiting perverting what I said it's nothing but the dark thoughts of yours, what made you go there and think of crap like this to say, I know exactly how you did it,

Jobs trails, prod son and countless other bible are examples of how God allows trails for a purpose, lip sync preacher.
 
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Hi Grace777,

As mentioned to you earlier I am not interested in the teaching of man and the opinions of others only the Word of God matters. I am happy as always to talk scripture with you if you like. Although every time we have done this in the past you disappear. Let’ s start with this post comments in RED.

Amen..I boldly stand against the Judaizer spirit that tries to deceive us Christians that have put our faith in Christ's work alone. Here is where I and others stand against the deceiving spirit that tries to condemn Christians and say they are sinning and dis-obeying God if they don't follow the Sabbath as in the Old Testament.

Here is a good start you cry against people that call what you believe derogatory terms "hyper-grace" or "greasy-grace" or "easy believism". Yet you do exactly the same to them.

Romans 2:1 (ASV)Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.

Here are some examples of others and myself showing this for what it truly is.
Especially those that say that if Christians that meet for worship on sundays instead of Saturday ( in reality we assemble together and worship every day as Christians ) are taking the make of the beast.

Isn’t posting your own post or someone else’s post without the whole context of all the conversations involved between all parties telling half a story and if so isn’t this a deception because people reading the post do not have all the information present to come to a logical conclusion of what is being said and why? You accuse others of deception and now you show again this is what you are actually doing.

Romans 2:1 (ASV)Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judges another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.

This is the reason why many are standing against this deceiving spirit and Paul said to the Galatians that he didn't subject himself to this for even one hour so that the truth of the gospel will remain with the Galatians.
Galatians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so thatthe truth of the gospel would remain with you.
So here you go with the name calling again. Tell me my friend do you Love Jesus? Do you know what the Gospel is?