The “I Wills” of God

[eternally-gratefull]

Making your print larger than life doesn't make it true.

Making yourself larger than life doesn't either.

Saying people say things they do not say does not make you smart, It makes you look childish..

Maybe if you would read what people say, you would stop with this nonsense,

There it is in large letters, continue to deny it to your own detriment.

 

[LoveGodForever]

True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change.

Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same as the true gospel of the grace of Christ is God's very empowerment through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us - as we behold the glory of Christ as in a mirror - we see reflected back who we are in Him because we are one spirit with the Lord and the Spirit transforms us ( 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ) -His life transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. We "awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to come to ourselves - to sober up to be who you really are.
When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.

I believe the same as this but can you explain yourself further? So you are saying that we are not to sin when we come to Jesus (of course he does this work in us as we believe His Word). I agree with this. So you do know that you cannot separate sin from God's Law don't you? Because Sin is not believing God and transgression of God's Law (10 commandments) (1John 3:4)?

 

[Stephen63]

No one teaches the gospel has no power to change your life, The very people Stephen is arguing against teach the gospel is what changes your life..

What they do not teach is that works save you, maintain your salvation, or keep you from losing your salvation, which is something stephen does not like.

What I don't like is preaching a different gospel, which is exactly what Joseph Prince does.

Galatians 1
6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

 

[LoveGodForever]

it means we are new creatures, that the old way is not normal. that God has given us a new way, and anything outside of that is abnormal, and can not be sustained.

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?

 

[Stephen63]

I hear ya bro, I just get so sick of the slander, would be great of the mods could take care of this, but they have more important things to do I am sure.

Does anyone see the implication here? THOSE THAT DISAGREE WITH EG ARE ALWAYS THE GUILTY ONES!

He seems to always make his opponents slanderers & malicious people.

Wish I had a dollar for every time he said that..... I could be rich & be able to BUY CC.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Does anyone see the implication here? THOSE THAT DISAGREE WITH EG ARE ALWAYS THE GUILTY ONES!

He seems to always make his opponents slanderers & malicious people.

Wish I had a dollar for every time he said that..... I could be rich & be able to BUY CC.

Why is it everytime I ask questions people disappear

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?

Are you preaching sinless perfection?

if so. no..

The wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life.. Sin no longer has power over us, because it can not condemn us anymore. We are free and empowered to live in the spirit not in the flesh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Does anyone see the implication here? THOSE THAT DISAGREE WITH EG ARE ALWAYS THE GUILTY ONES!

He seems to always make his opponents slanderers & malicious people.

Wish I had a dollar for every time he said that..... I could be rich & be able to BUY CC.

Keep it up dude, You said grace taught things he did not, He posted it, and it is there for all to see. Your continued denial is on your head.

Your acting like a child. and you think that will get people to see things your way? Your destroying your own reliability.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why is it everytime I ask questions people disappear

Who disappeared?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So you do know that you cannot separate sin from God's Law don't you? [/B]

Could you clarify what you mean?
You do know that the law given by Moses Is GOD's perfect standard of righteousness,right?

 

[Grace777x70]

I hear ya bro, I just get so sick of the slander, would be great of the mods could take care of this, but they have more important things to do I am sure.

And until the mods take care of this ( and they show great grace in dealing with us all ) - we can just choose to ignore them and not interact with them. We can post what is believed and trust the Spirit of God to reveal Christ to all of us.

The "baiting" does indeed "have a purpose" so it may be prudent to ignore it when it occurs...

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Why is it everytime I ask questions people disappear

probably when you are just getting on,they are sleep.lol

 

[loveme1]

I think you meant name identifying. Christ called the law of the father a brood of vipers by their fruit of self righteousness you know them

Oh my... please tell me you do not think the Messiah called His Father's law equating to a brood of vipers?

 

[LoveGodForever]

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?

Are you preaching sinless perfection?

if so. no..

The wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life.. Sin no longer has power over us, because it can not condemn us anymore. We are free and empowered to live in the spirit not in the flesh.

Hi Et,

Bare with me I am trying to understand what it is your exactly saying. So can you explain a little further. What do you mean that sin has no more power over us because it cannot condemn us anymore?

Are you saying that (1) we will not sin anymore? Or (2) if we sin it does not matter anymore?

What is your meaning of sinless perfection?

Thanks for your patience, late me end. I am tired and about to sleep.

God bless

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Why is it everytime I ask questions people disappear

probably when you are just getting on,they are sleep.lol

True..lol.

The other aspect is this below and we just end up in the same merry-go-round anyway:

Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

 

[JGIG]

Maybe I have a fascination of people who will quote from the biggest quacks instead of quoting a tried-and-true theologian, like from a commentary.

Which brings me to this,

Joseph smith was a false teacher & a heretic.

This is why we NEVER quote anything written by Joseph Smith, because nothing good can come from him, even if it sounds good & right.

It's a good practice to stay away from false teachers, because the Bible tells us to do so.

Paul Ellis is a teacher of hypergrace, or easy believism as we know it. He wrote several articles on his site about it.

https://escapetoreality.org/category/hyper-grace/​

Ellis also teaches the Prosperity Doctrine.

Since this is true because he confesses it, why is it ok to post what one heretic says, & not the other?

Tell us, Stephen63, in all your 'research' into what Paul Ellis teaches, specify for us what he teaches about salvation and living in Christ.

Please include links - we would like to see what Paul Ellis actually teaches, not just your opinion about what he teaches.

I KNOW that on the essentials, Paul Ellis is solid in his teaching of the Good News of the Work of Christ. On secondary issues, believers are free to disagree with deference for one another without accusing of heresy. You're not 'protecting' anyone in the Body by slandering Paul Ellis, only sowing seeds of division and strife in the Body.

You have actually slandered someone who Biblically preaches the Gospel and you've tried to equate what he teaches with Mormonism! Completely OFF BASE and lacking in basic integrity.

Why not discuss the OP - how God, in his Grace and Mercy - saw fit before Christ to point to New Covenant promises that would become manifest in Christ?

Thanks!

-JGIG

 

[garee]

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?

I would offer. Its more like the wages of sin, which is to be found dead in our trespasses and sin(eternal death) never to rise to new spirit life finds us as Christians alive given a new spirit that will never die but will be raised on the last day, the second and final resurrection.

He who knew no sin became the object of sin by his work of faith as a labor of His love freeing us of the guilt that comes from violating one commandment (thou shall not eat of the forbidden fruit ) In Christ there is no condemnation. He sat in the judgment seat and was declared guilty by men. We will not be judged again that would be double jeopardy placing a person of dead works sought after man in the Hebrew 6 boat crucifying Christ over and every time they violate one commandment exposing him to public shame as if one demonstration was not enough to let God be true and every man a liar.That I believe would reveal those who do despite to His hyper grace

 

[loveme1]

The Lord Jesus Christ has put teachers in the body of Christ. God works through "man" to reveal the things of Christ and the Holy Spirit will "witness" to the truths of Christ that is being spoken to us.

Thank God for the "I wills" in Hebrews 10:16-17 of which this truth is what the Holy Spirit witnesses to.


Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.

Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.

Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below - Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the statement of ultimate truth. The work of Jesus' finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.

Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.

Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins.

Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.

The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.

This is insulting the Spirit of grace. The Holy Spirit's work is to convict/convince/expose the world of their sin - which is unbelief in Christ's work. John 16:8-9

There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.

Heb. 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

But those Jews that have chosen to believe in Christ's sacrifice are not those that have drawn back but have embraced "believing" in what Jesus has already done and thus have been saved.

I will will not argue and you seem set in your ways of picking and choosing.... and I pray those that come here for Truth seek Heavenly Father through our Messiah because you or whoever taught you is an author of confusion.

 

[BeyondET]

True grace doesn't permit us to stay the same; after you know that you are not condemned - it empowers you to change.

Grace was never intended to allow us to keep on being the same as the true gospel of the grace of Christ is God's very empowerment through the life of Christ in and through us that transforms us - as we behold the glory of Christ as in a mirror - we see reflected back who we are in Him because we are one spirit with the Lord and the Spirit transforms us ( 2 Cor. 3:17-18 ) -

His life transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in our inner man - created in righteousness and holiness. We "awake to righteousness and sin not". Awake means to come to ourselves - to sober up to be who you really are.

When we see that we are called to the true life in Christ and we know we can't work it up and can't accomplish it in our own strength but we desire the His life in us to come forth - that's when empowering grace comes to make our faith a reality in our lives.

Yea true indeed, when I was younger for many years I battled with myself, being ashamed for things I've done in the past this can keep a person in a rut no doubt, some point one has to let it go and let him have it, all those feelings of not being worthy enough
etc. Stinking thinking for sure, a trick of the enemy (ahh your no good you can't be forgiven you should feel ashamed)

beating people over the head with condemnation over and over again can lead to a person really thinking they are, without any hope of life. true there's a time and place for using that and it's teachings of coarse it's in the bible, but that's when one should be extra aware of how and when to use it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?




Hi Et,

Bare with me I am trying to understand what it is your exactly saying. So can you explain a little further. What do you mean that sin has no more power over us because it cannot condemn us anymore?

Are you saying that (1) we will not sin anymore? Or (2) if we sin it does not matter anymore?

What is your meaning of sinless perfection?

Thanks for your patience, late me end. I am tired and about to sleep.

God bless

Maybe this will help.

when God gave the law He made the people confirm every letter, and make a pledge that they woudl obey it completely to the letter, if they failed to do this, they would be under a curse, also knows as the curse of the law

Paul mentions this in Galatians, and said the law was given not to make us righteous, but to be a tutor to lead us to Christ. He also quoted the confirmation of the law which means anyone who sinned even once, is seen as condemned by said law James also shows this, when he says if we break even the least of the commands, we are guilty of the whole law

So, Sinless perfection means we no longer sin, we have basically fulfilled the law, and are no longer in need of Christ, We have earned our right to be called children of God.

Jesus told us how to do righteous things, by following two commands, do this, and we wil not break the law. the problem is we can not love perfectly, So we will still sin. God saved us knowing the sins we would commit in the future, We do not fool God, But at the same time, A person who is saved can not live as he did before, He will change,

The bible speaks of differing levels of maturity,

We have babes in christ, who still struggled with sin mightily (the corinthian church struggled with sexual sin)

then we have mature believers, who even at this stage of maturity need to continue to run the race, because even they have not made the perfect sinless state yet.

We will not be sinless until we are glorified.