The “I Wills” of God

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Why is it everytime I ask questions people disappear

True..lol.

The other aspect is this below and we just end up in the same merry-go-round anyway:

Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

I doubt it otherwise Jesus and the Apostles and prophets would not have spoken about it.

Also fun fact the Word used in Titus 3:9 is

nom-ik-os'
From G3551; according (or pertaining) to law, that is, legal (ceremonially); as noun, an expert in the (Mosaic) law: - about the law, lawyer.

Its talking about the ceremonial laws of Moses nailed to the cross not the 10 Commandments.

[FONT=&quot]What is the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses ?

God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)

God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)

[/FONT]God bless

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So are you saying that Jesus is freeing us from our sins right? This is what I believe (John 8:32-34). Now we know that Sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) and if we break one of God's Commandments we are guilty before God as if we broke all of them (James 2:10-12) right?

Yes,there Is only one way and that Is to call on GOD,be obedient to faith.Once reborn of the SPIRIT of GOD,our spirits are justified and sealed.

But those who are In the world are on their own and without GOD and have broken the law of GOD,and coming short of the glory of GOD.

 

[Grace777x70]

I will will not argue and you seem set in your ways of picking and choosing.... and I pray those that come here for Truth seek Heavenly Father through our Messiah because you or whoever taught you is an author of confusion.

And you are free to your own opinion as well.....

Reading scripture in context is of utmost importance. And we are free in Christ to believe what we choose in some areas - obviously not on the work of Christ and that Jesus is God come in the flesh and that His blood brought us redemption - the forgiveness of sins.

People are free to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation if they choose. This doesn't violate the gospel so we would ignore that belief.

But when people come and say things like this : Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God because they don't follow the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way - that we stand against because it's a violation of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

Just like Paul stood against the Judaizers of His day vehemently that came to distort and "bewitch" the Galatians to following the law "in order" that the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians. Gal. 2:5

God bless you!

 

[LoveGodForever]

Maybe this will help.

when God gave the law He made the people confirm every letter, and make a pledge that they woudl obey it completely to the letter, if they failed to do this, they would be under a curse, also knows as the curse of the law

Paul mentions this in Galatians, and said the law was given not to make us righteous, but to be a tutor to lead us to Christ. He also quoted the confirmation of the law which means anyone who sinned even once, is seen as condemned by said law James also shows this, when he says if we break even the least of the commands, we are guilty of the whole law

So, Sinless perfection means we no longer sin, we have basically fulfilled the law, and are no longer in need of Christ, We have earned our right to be called children of God.

Jesus told us how to do righteous things, by following two commands, do this, and we wil not break the law. the problem is we can not love perfectly, So we will still sin. God saved us knowing the sins we would commit in the future, We do not fool God, But at the same time, A person who is saved can not live as he did before, He will change,

The bible speaks of differing levels of maturity,

We have babes in christ, who still struggled with sin mightily (the corinthian church struggled with sexual sin)

then we have mature believers, who even at this stage of maturity need to continue to run the race, because even they have not made the perfect sinless state yet.

We will not be sinless until we are glorified.

Hi ET,

Thanks for taking the time to share to help me to understand where you are coming from. Late my end so I may need to reply to you after I get some rest. Goodnight all (my time)

 

[BeyondET]

Yes,there Is only one way and that Is to call on GOD,be obedient to faith.Once reborn of the SPIRIT of GOD,our spirits are justified and sealed.

But those who are In the world are on their own and without GOD and have broken the law of GOD,and coming short of the glory of GOD.

Yea another stinking thinking statement, in the world on their own, without God, broken the law of God, out of luck theres no Jesus for them, only the Rightous don't fall short of glory right, Yo news flash all people fall short of glory, you included.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi ET,

Thanks for taking the time to share to help me to understand where you are coming from. Late my end so I may need to reply to you after I get some rest. Goodnight all (my time)

Sleep well!

 

[Grace777x70]

Yea true indeed, when I was younger for many years I battled with myself, being ashamed for things I've done in the past this can keep a person in a rut no doubt, some point one has to let it go and let him have it, all those feelings of not being worthy enough
etc. Stinking thinking for sure, a trick of the enemy (ahh your no good you can't be forgiven you should feel ashamed)

beating people over the head with condemnation over and over again can lead to a person really thinking they are, without any hope of life. true there's a time and place for using that and it's teachings of coarse it's in the bible, but that's when one should be extra aware of how and when to use it.

I understand and agree.

Hopefully your testimony will help young or struggling Christians in their life now.

Guilt, condemnation and shame are never the tools of the kingdom and the Lord does not sub-contract these out to the enemy. He does love to use them and he will use other Christians to do it too.

It's part of the religious belief system that is in the world.

Guilt is a sub-conscious confession ( what you hear about yourself ) that you are not forgiven.

Condemnation is the sub-conscious confession ( what you hear about yourself ) that your life is worthy of judgment.

Shame is the sub-conscious confession ( what you hear about yourself ) that the thing you are condemned over is still who you are.



All 3 of the above are anti-Christ and anti-the finished work of Christ. These are not tools of heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:17-19 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he isa new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] And all things are of God, who hathreconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

[SUP]19 [/SUP] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The above is our true ministry of the Lord to people.

Brethren - don't let anyone or anything rob you of what your loving Lord has done for you. As you have received Christ - walk in Him - free to live and love as we grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus and our Father.

 

[loveme1]

Matthew 15

15 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.




Should we not consider that doctrines of men are now the order of the day?

How many here have encouraged others to read doctrines of men?

How many here go as far as to relay those doctrines here as if they wrote them?

I will declare here that I have been taught of no man... and my Bible contains no commentary...

Self taught? Nay.... I could neither see, hear or perceive if it was not for the Holy Spirit.

I share freely because it was given freely.. I will give account for everything and may GOD search my intentions.. if not for His Glory and Salvation to us sinners then I will reap what I sow....

 

[Meggido]

This is nothing but you exploiting perverting what I said it's nothing but the dark thoughts of yours, what made you go there and think of crap like this to say, I know exactly how you did it,

Jobs trails, prod son and countless other bible are examples of how God allows trails for a purpose, lip sync preacher.

You need to grow up and stop saying things the Bible refutes....the only exploitation is the one you use agaisnt what the Bible says and you do it all the time....

You most certainly stated God could use any sinner/false teacher to teach us something....did you say this or not to Stephen? Now you are back peddling like you always do, because the ludicrous and absurdity of your post is catching up to you and you are changing the topic to trails....which is actually trials....

why are you suddenly trying to say it was all about trials, when you clearly stated that God could use a false teacher to teach us something we do not know?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yea another stinking thinking statement, in the world on their own, without God, broken the law of God, out of luck theres no Jesus for them, only the Rightous don't fall short of glory right, Yo news flash all people fall short of glory, you included.

What I posted Is true.If you are not reborn,then you will be judged by GOD's perfect standard of righteousness.
Maybe you jumped to conclusions,I know you know better.

 

[Bogadile]

Paul Ellis is a teacher of hypergrace, or easy believism as we know it. He wrote several articles on his site about it.

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This has caught my attention in a multitude of posts. What exactly does the word 'easy believism' mean? Are you implying that believing is not easy? I think it is quite easy, it is as easy as opening a door or taking a glass of water.

 

[Meggido]

Another dark comment, is this what you battle with Mr.

You make comments you do not think about before making them...the best thing you could learn is to think before you speak...if you do not like being embarrassed stop making statements that are false and you will not have someone hold you accountable for making a thoughtless comment.

 

[Meggido]

I've seen a many of twisters, your not the first,

the only thing twisting is you protecting your ego and pride....

 

[Meggido]

And there you go. the red shows he believes hypergrace & is fighting for it.

The next paragraph shows his feelings towards WOF.

No need to state the obvious.

When has the WOF movement ever talked about the Gospel?

All they preach and teach about is faith....I have never once ever witnessed them talking about Jesus ....just personal faith and how to get stuff for yourself...through confessin fer da blessin

 

[loveme1]

And you are free to your own opinion as well.....

Reading scripture in context is of utmost importance. And we are free in Christ to believe what we choose in some areas - obviously not on the work of Christ and that Jesus is God come in the flesh and that His blood brought us redemption - the forgiveness of sins.

People are free to believe that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation if they choose. This doesn't violate the gospel so we would ignore that belief.

But when people come and say things like this : Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God because they don't follow the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way - that we stand against because it's a violation of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

Just like Paul stood against the Judaizers of His day vehemently that came to distort and "bewitch" the Galatians to following the law "in order" that the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians. Gal. 2:5

God bless you!

Im not sure whom is condemning you.....

If a person does not tell you that Those that Love GOD keep His Commandments or that the Messiah taught us to keep and teach even the least Commandment... then they share not the Gospel... because these things all part of the Gospel also.

If they wish to circumcise you outwardly and have you partake in the law of Moses then beware.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony of the Messiah.

I actually feel sad for you that you think Keeping the Commandments of God is a violation of the Gospel...


The same Christ that offered Himself as sacrifice for our sins taught you to Keep the Commandments of GOD.. teaching us that Love fullfills the two Great Commandments.... and you say those that are Faithful violate His work for us?

You have a corrupt understanding but may you see, hear and perceive through Faith. So be it.

 

[Stephen63]

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This has caught my attention in a multitude of posts. What exactly does the word 'easy believism' mean? Are you implying that believing is not easy? I think it is quite easy, it is as easy as opening a door or taking a glass of water.

From https://www.gotquestions.org/easy-believism.html

Easy believism is a somewhat derogatory term used by opponents of the view that one needs only to believe in Jesus in order to be saved. From this they conclude that those who hold to sola fide (“faith alone”)teach that no corresponding need exists for a committed life of Christian discipleship as proof of salvation; however, that is not what sola fide means. True faith in Christ will always lead to a changed life. Another common usage of the term easy believism is in regards to those who believe they’re saved because they prayed a prayer—with no real conviction of sin and no real faith in Christ. Praying a prayer is easy—thus the term easy believism—but there is more to salvation than mouthing words.

Much of the debate over easy believism is unnecessary and is based on a misunderstanding of the Scriptures. The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. The essence of this doctrine is found in Ephesians 2:8–9: “For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.” So we see that faith, given as a gift by God, is what saves us. But the next verse tells of the results of that salvation: “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” Rather than being saved by some easy act of our own wills, we are saved by the hand of God Almighty, by His will and for His use. We are His servants, and from the moment of salvation by faith, we embark on a journey of pre-ordained good works that are the evidence of that salvation. If there is no evidence of growth and good works, we have reason to doubt that salvation ever truly took place. “Faith without works is dead” (James 2:20), and a dead faith is not a saving faith.

“Faith alone” does not mean that some believers follow Christ in a life of discipleship, while others do not. The concept of the “carnal Christian,” as a separate category of non-spiritual believer, is completely unscriptural. The idea of the carnal Christian says that a person may receive Christ as Savior during a religious experience but never manifest evidence of a changed life. This is a false and dangerous teaching in that it excuses various ungodly lifestyles: a man may be an unrepentant adulterer, liar, or thief, but he’s “saved” because he prayed a prayer as a child; he’s just a “carnal Christian.” The Bible nowhere supports the idea that a true Christian can remain carnal for an entire lifetime. Rather, God’s Word presents only two categories of people: Christians and non-Christians, believers and unbelievers, those who have bowed to the Lordship of Christ and those who have not (see John 3:36; Romans 6:17–18; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 5:18–24; Ephesians 2:1–5; 1 John 1:5–7; 2:3–4).

While the security of salvation is a biblical fact based upon the finished work of salvation by Christ, it is certainly true that some of those who seemed to have “made a decision” or “accepted Christ” may not genuinely be saved. As noted before, true salvation is not so much our accepting Christ as it is His accepting us. We are saved by the power of God for the purpose of God, and that purpose includes the works that give evidence of our conversion. Those who continue to walk according to the flesh are not believers (Romans 8:5–8). This is why Paul exhorts us to “examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). The “carnal” Christian who examines himself will soon see that he/she is not in the faith.

James 2:19 says, “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!” The type of “belief” demons have can be compared to the intellectual assent made by those who “believe” in Jesus in the fact that He exists or that He was a good person. Many unbelievers say, “I believe in God” or “I believe in Jesus”; others say, “I prayed a prayer, and the preacher said I was saved.” But such prayers and such belief do not necessarily signal a change of heart. The problem is a misunderstanding of the word believe. With true salvation comes genuine repentance and real life change. Second Corinthians 5:17 says that those who are in Christ are a “new creation.” Is it possible that the new person Christ creates is one who continues to walk in the carnality of the flesh? No.

Salvation is certainly free, but, at the same time, it costs us everything. We are to die to ourselves as we change into the likeness of Christ. Where easy believism fails is its lack of recognition that a person with faith in Jesus will lead a progressively changed life. Salvation is a free gift from God to those who believe, but discipleship and obedience are the response that will no doubt occur when one truly comes to Christ in faith.

 

[Meggido]

1. I agree, WOF is bad, and I agree,, It is not a good doctrine and I have argued against it many times, But that is not the context of the OP and should not even be brought into the discussion, Since the op is not about WOF.
2. Your thought about grace and what they teach however, is not based on fact, but based on lies, It has been proven to you over and over that you are wrong, But you refuse like so many to repent, and admit you could be wrong. Your sources are based on anti "prince" websites, Grace and others have shown sources from JP himself which prove you are wrong, and Grace has told you more times than I can count youer wrong about what he teaches, As have so many others, not just in saying, but proof texts, Proof posts, and proof words.

Your at war, Please just admit it and stop wiht this stuff. It really is not very attractive for anyone to act this way.

EG, you really have no clue what the WOF movement teaches, it is obvious by your comments...We lived in that deception for a few years.....It would probably rattle your cage and grace7777to know that Joseph Price does not believe in OSAS and actually teaches you can walk away from your salvation and you can lose your faith.....he learned this from Ken Copeland, who learned it from Ken Hagin Sr.

JP hides this well, but he does state the promises and grace are only available to you as long as you abide in the vine....if you step outside of the vine....you forfeit the promises and grace is removed...We heard him a few times live well under the WOF deception....

The WOF movement hardly teaches anything about the Gospel....its all about faith, faith, faith and how to blab and grab your way to material blessings...they never talk about grace....those WOF teachers that due, exalt grace over Jesus Christ....

 

[Meggido]

No one teaches the gospel has no power to change your life, The very people Stephen is arguing against teach the gospel is what changes your life..

What they do not teach is that works save you, maintain your salvation, or keep you from losing your salvation, which is something stephen does not like.

No sir, Stephen is saying that easy grace teachers can corrupt the message of grace and can and do lead people into thinking they can live anyway they want, because of grace....

 

[BeyondET]

You need to grow up and stop saying things the Bible refutes....the only exploitation is the one you use agaisnt what the Bible says and you do it all the time....

You most certainly stated God could use any sinner/false teacher to teach us something....did you say this or not to Stephen? Now you are back peddling like you always do, because the ludicrous and absurdity of your post is catching up to you and you are changing the topic to trails....which is actually trials....

why are you suddenly trying to say it was all about trials, when you clearly stated that God could use a false teacher to teach us something we do not know?

Ok let me ask you, before you knew anything about false teachers how did you learn about them and what they teach?

Was this learning from God or satan?

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree that some will say " we can sin all we want now " that this will always come when the true gospel of the grace of God is preached.

This is what makes God's grace "hyper" ( - if I can use that term in a good sense and not in a derogatory way )

When we preach the gospel of the grace of Christ and no one says "What?...are you saying we can just go out and sin because of grace?" - if no one says that to us when we are preaching the grace of God. Then we have not preached the gospel like Paul did.

The very nature of the gospel leads the carnal mind to think that it means we can sin all we want because of grace and this is also what the natural mind that some Christians live by.

Unfortunately this is what they hear when they hear the true gospel being preached that grace believers are saying it's ok to sin all you want now because of grace.

The reality is what is being said is the complete opposite of what those listening with their natural minds think is being said.

We don't need to water down the gospel because it might get mis-understood as it takes away the full strength of the completed and awesome work that our Lord Jesus Christ did for all of us..

The answer to shall we sin so that grace may abound is in Romans chapters 6 and 7.