The “sin lists” in the NT condemn all habitual sinners!

[oldethennew]

HEB. 12:1.
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run
with patience the race that is set before us,

PHIL. 2:16.
Holding forth the Word of Life; that I may rejoice in the Day of Christ, that I have not run in vain,
neither laboured in vain.

HEB. 12:3.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied
and faint in your minds.
4.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

REV.22:14.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.

11PETER 2:21.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of Righteousness, than, after
they have known it, to turn from the Holy Commandment delivered unto them.

ROM. 2:13.
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1PETER 4:8.
And above all things, have fervent Charity among yourselves: for Charity shall cover The multitude of sins.

1JOHN 5:3.
For this is the Love of God, that we keep His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

 

[Chester]

It means many go on their 'merry way' oblivious to the fact that there is a spiritual battle going on where ALL our weapons are needed, not just a simple formula or two. Such as...

I chafe at the idea that a Christian can go forth and not be "battling against sin". We are in the middle of a spiritual warfare that involves all of our (actually God's) resources. Any less than this makes the Christian life into child's play.

On the other hand, in the middle of the most intense conflict, we do rest in Christ. And perhaps some would perceive this as "going their merry way." Intensity of conflict and rest at the same time seems like a paradox; but it is reality! Maybe we need to listen carefully to one another to see which side of the issue we are talking about.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I like Paul's conclusion.....

“Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!” (Romans 7:25)

 

[LaurenTM]

No battling sin? What does Jesus mean by carrying our cross daily? Does the meaning include effort on our part?

you know, discussing what carrying our cross daily would make for a good discussion

Jesus also said: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matt. 11:29

He also said to bear one another's burdens

we have to take the ENTIRE counsel and pray for understanding, according to the word because we get lost along the way otherwise

as that is so, some will have a tendency to gloss over the sin and others will have a tendency to emphasize the sin

neither is correct of course

 

[ZacharyB]

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves,
nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified,
but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"

The keyword right there is "unrighteous," as in those who are not saved.
This scripture is associating the listed lifestyles with those who are not yet saved.

You missed off verse 11, which concludes: "And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" - those who are saved become new creatures in Christ and no longer desire to do the things of old.

I'll give you an "A" for effort.

Of course, some of them used to do some of those things!

Again, we don't have to go any further than Romans 6 to see the truth.
Paul says ...
-- they had been set free from being slaves of sin
-- but they chose to keep sinning anyway
-- they needed to CHOOSE to be slaves of obedience, righteousness, and God
-- choosing righteousness would lead to holiness (6:19)
-- habitually sinning results in (eternal) death

 

[crossnote]

So, you know people that have done this? You saw people doing this or are you just surmising they are doing this?

Why do you pick this "formula" thing out when every time someone confesses the realities of what Christ has done? They are believing that they are new creations and walking in that knowledge with the light that they have at the time. Part of this confessing ( which means to agree with in Greek ) is standing in the armor of God.

Like I said, there is more to the warfare than just confessing what Jesus has done...for some it seems that's all there is.
Looking at your response you seem a little convicted.

 

[Grace777x70]

Like I said, there is more to the warfare than just confessing what Jesus has done...for some it seems that's all there is.
Looking at your response you seem a little convicted.

Actually I am more convinced/convicted ( same Greek word as convicted ) then ever of walking in all that God has for us in Christ. So, Yes..praise God I am "convicted" of the realities that are in Christ for those that believe.

I am asking you why you make light out of Christians that are simply agreeing with what God says about them because of Christ's work?

I will say again what I believe.

Why do you pick this "formula" thing out when every time someone confesses the realities of what Christ has done? They are believing that they are new creations and walking in that knowledge with the light that they have at the time. Part of this confessing ( which means to agree with in Greek ) is standing in the armor of God.

 

[crossnote]

Actually I am more convinced/convicted ( same Greek word as convicted ) then ever of walking in all that God has for us in Christ. So, Yes..praise God I am "convicted" of the realities that are in Christ for those that believe.

I am asking you why you make light out of Christians that are simply agreeing with what God says about them because of Christ's work?

I will say again what I believe.

Why do you pick this "formula" thing out when every time someone confesses the realities of what Christ has done? They are believing that they are new creations and walking in that knowledge with the light that they have at the time. Part of this confessing ( which means to agree with in Greek ) is standing in the armor of God.

Again for the third time. Our warfare consists of more than a formula or two. There is nothing wrong with knowing what Christ has done or who you are in Christ...but there is a whole lot more dealing with the warfare...

Ephesians 6:10-18 KJVS[10] Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. [11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places . [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: [18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Are you stuck on a formula or two? Is that why you keep asking?

I was originally speaking on...

Hebrews 12:4 KJVS
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

and you threw out the challenge.

 

[Grace777x70]

Not anymore. People just confess they are a new creature in Christ and go their merry way.

I was responding to this remark. I too don't agree with any formulas but I do believe in scriptural principals - the spirit of faith "speaks" - and as I said that standing in the armor of God is being strong in the Lord. Being strong in Him means that we are in fact in Him and by acknowledging the truths of our redemption makes them a reality to us in our minds.

It seemed that you were making light of Christians that are confessing ( which is agreeing with God ) of what Christ has done for them.

It might give the wrong impression to those that are learning to walk with the Lord. They would get out of this that confessing/agreeing with God about what He has done in me is not good because it might be a formula. That is my concern.

And as I said - I do not agree with formulas within themselves. But in your mind if I say I am a Christian is that a formula now too? That's confessing/agreeing with what God says about us.

 

[crossnote]

These Is my first two post in response to Thomas who posted this...

Hebrews 12:4 KJVS
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Not anymore. People just confess they are a new creature in Christ and go their merry way.

Here is my explanation to you when asked...

It means many go on their 'merry way' oblivious to the fact that there is a spiritual battle going on where ALL our weapons are needed, not just a simple formula or two. Such as...

And I added the quote from Eph 6 about spiritual warfare.

I was responding to this remark. I too don't agree with any formulas but I do believe in scriptural principals - the spirit of faith "speaks" - and as I said that standing in the armor of God is being strong in the Lord. Being strong in Him means that we are in fact in Him and by acknowledging the truths of our redemption makes them a reality to us in our minds.

It seemed that you were making light of Christians that are confessing ( which is agreeing with God ) of what Christ has done for them.

It might give the wrong impression to those that are learning to walk with the Lord. They would get out of this that confessing/agreeing with God about what He has done in me is not good because it might be a formula. That is my concern.

And as I said - I do not agree with formulas within themselves. But in your mind if I say I am a Christian is that a formula now too? That's confessing/agreeing with what God says about us.

Where was I making light of Christians confessing? That may be your preconceived perception. I was making light of those who ONLY confess one or two things and go their merry way.
It would do the babe in Christ good if they knew from the start that the Christian walk is not a matter of just confessing a couple of pat Scriptures but learning the whole counsel of God.

 

[mpaper345]

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever(1 John 2:15-17).

I believe the majority of people break this,but it appears as if it is quite innocent to some people,for they do it in small doses.

Anytime you use your money for a personal use,other than your needs,or for the poor,it is worldliness.Television shows,movies,or anything that displays things that are not of God,it is worldliness,and anything that is not inspired by God according to His word that we do,it is worldliness.

But these things can be quite small,almost trivial things,although it is not trivial to God.

 

[Grace777x70]

These Is my first two post in response to Thomas who posted this...

Hebrews 12:4 KJVS
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.





Here is my explanation to you when asked...



And I added the quote from Eph 6 about spiritual warfare.


Where was I making light of Christians confessing? That may be your preconceived perception. I was making light of those who ONLY confess one or two things and go their merry way.
It would do the babe in Christ good if they knew from the start that the Christian walk is not a matter of just confessing a couple of pat Scriptures but learning the whole counsel of God.

That is your preconceived notion that confessing the reality of Christ and what He has done as being ONLY confessing one or two things and walking their merry way. That's foolishness and is destructive to baby Christians. They need to be established in what the Lord did for them when they received Him.

But we can just agree to disagree and any young Christians in the Lord viewing this thread can have the Holy Spirit speak to them in what they should be doing for their walk with the Lord now.

All is well...have a great day!

 

[ZacharyB]

... the Christian walk is not a matter of just confessing a couple of pat Scriptures
but learning the whole counsel of God.

Yes, the whole counsel of God includes this fact:

The believer who is a habitual sinner is in a state of ...
unbelief, disobedience, unrighteousness, etc. and is on his/her way to an eternal hell.

Sins need to be sincerely repented of ... the attitude of one's heart is of #1 importance.

Only those who "practice righteousness" are actually righteous in God's eyes! (1 John 3:7)

 

[crossnote]

That is your preconceived notion that confessing the reality of Christ and what He has done as being ONLY confessing one or two things and walking their merry way. That's foolishness and is destructive to baby Christians. They need to be established in what the Lord did for them when they received Him.

But we can just agree to disagree and any young Christians in the Lord viewing this thread can have the Holy Spirit speak to them in what they should be doing for their walk with the Lord now.

All is well...have a great day!

You are quite a twister of words of what others say and mean. Plus you brought up young Christians when I was speaking to Christians in general.
These two passages still stand irregardless of the way you twist my words...

Hebrews 12:4 KJVS
[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Ephesians 6:10-18 KJVS
[10] Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. [11] Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. [12] For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places . [13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: [18] Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[crossnote]

Yes, the whole counsel of God includes this fact:

The believer who is a habitual sinner is in a state of ...
unbelief, disobedience, unrighteousness, etc. and is on his/her way to an eternal hell.

Sins need to be sincerely repented of ... the attitude of one's heart is of #1 importance.

Only those who "practice righteousness" are actually righteous in God's eyes! (1 John 3:7)

If one is habitually sinning, most likely he is a 'believer' who professes Christ and not possess Him, so I wouldn't call that person a believer in the first place.

 

[UnderGrace]

No battling sin? What does Jesus mean by carrying our cross daily? Does the meaning include effort on our part?

TrailofTruth,

If you get to carry your own cross, then whose cross did Jesus die upon?

The cross of Christ IS my cross. He carried it so I do not have to….why do we have to keep adding to what He has done.
Through Him, I already sacrificed everything.

All of His good works became my good works, but without any doing on my part. 2 Cor. 5:14,21 and Gal. 2:19-21, also Rom. 6:6-7, Heb. 10:10,12,14-18 and many other scriptures. He died once and for all, therefore ALL died.

I don’t feel I have to bear my own cross, because for me that would mean I don’t believe His sacrifice is enough to erase all my sins. HIS cross has to become my foundational state of mind.

What gives me the most peace and confidence, that there are things I must “do” (self-sacrifice) OR that all the doing has already been accomplished and my sin debt is paid in full, regardless of any past or future sins and whether I ever do another good thing or not.

I think the Lord is telling us there is one state of mind that is everlasting peace with God (through the free gift of justification of our sins) this is what will actually produce good fruit without any effort or striving on our part.

 

[BeyondET]

HEB. 12:1.
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,
let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run
with patience the race that is set before us,

PHIL. 2:16.
Holding forth the Word of Life; that I may rejoice in the Day of Christ, that I have not run in vain,
neither laboured in vain.

HEB. 12:3.
For consider Him that endured such contradiction of sinners against Himself, lest ye be wearied
and faint in your minds.
4.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

REV.22:14.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.

11PETER 2:21.
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of Righteousness, than, after
they have known it, to turn from the Holy Commandment delivered unto them.

ROM. 2:13.
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1PETER 4:8.
And above all things, have fervent Charity among yourselves: for Charity shall cover The multitude of sins.

1JOHN 5:3.
For this is the Love of God, that we keep His Commandments: and His Commandments are not grievous.

Huh interesting collaboration of verses from books...

 

[crossnote]

TrailofTruth,

If you get to carry your own cross, then whose cross did Jesus die upon?

The cross of Christ IS my cross. He carried it so I do not have to….why do we have to keep adding to what He has done.
Through Him, I already sacrificed everything.

All of His good works became my good works, but without any doing on my part. 2 Cor. 5:14,21 and Gal. 2:19-21, also Rom. 6:6-7, Heb. 10:10,12,14-18 and many other scriptures. He died once and for all, therefore ALL died.

I don’t feel I have to bear my own cross, because for me that would mean I don’t believe His sacrifice is enough to erase all my sins. HIS cross has to become my foundational state of mind.

What gives me the most peace and confidence, that there are things I must “do” (self-sacrifice) OR that all the doing has already been accomplished and my sin debt is paid in full, regardless of any past or future sins and whether I ever do another good thing or not.

I think the Lord is telling us there is one state of mind that is everlasting peace with God (through the free gift of justification of our sins) this is what will actually produce good fruit without any effort or striving on our part.

Wouldn't that be nice...

Galatians 6:2,5 KJVS
[2] Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[5] For every man shall bear his own burden.

But I guess there is nothing to bear since Christ bore it all?



This 'looking unto Jesus' is a call to bear our cross with joy as well...

Hebrews 12:2-4 KJVS
[2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. [3] For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. [4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If one is habitually sinning, most likely he is a 'believer' who professes Christ and not possess Him, so I wouldn't call that person a believer in the first place.

So you would say that an alcoholic cannot be a believer?

 

[crossnote]

If one is habitually sinning, most likely he is a 'believer' who professes Christ and not possess Him, so I wouldn't call that person a believer in the first place.

So you would say that an alcoholic cannot be a believer?

Has a believer been freed from their sin?
Does the believer still struggle with sin?
Does the believer occasionally lapse back into sin?
Is this what you're asking me?