The “sin lists” in the NT condemn all habitual sinners!

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IMO, these warning verses are not talking about sinning once (for example).
And these warning verses are not talking about sinning and then sincerely repenting.
So, what do we have left?
You mean we actually have to think a little when we read the Bible? LOL
 
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IMO, these warning verses are not talking about sinning once (for example).
And these warning verses are not talking about sinning and then sincerely repenting.
So, what do we have left?
What we have left is "IMO." Nothing personal, but I'll accept God's word over your opinion. Especially since each text you gave was obviously taken some where within a fuller thought, not the full thought.
 
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1COR. 6:9-10-11.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified
in The Name of The Lord Jesus, and by The Spirit of our God.

this is a very clear WARNING that is speaking (((TO BELIEVERS THAT HAVE BEEN SACNTICIED, JUSTIFIED))), -
this WARNING is telling us that we cannot practice INIQUITY and EXPECT TO INHERIT
THE KINGDOM OF GOD , THAT IS, ETERNAL LIFE...
My friend, you and others seem to be "hung up" on the term "habitual sinners"; when in FACT the teaching here is ALL sinners; by habit or not.

And THAT is only a part of the message.

The OTHER issue is "sin-forgiveness" GOD"S WAY

2Peter 1: 19-21
And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
[Douay explanation]

[20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one's private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. End Quotes

“Whenever something is good it does not depend on us getting our way, but on God getting His way, and whether we do God’s Will depends on us [humbly] loving God. Moreover to love God we must [actually] know God, [not just know OF God].” Bread of Life booklet January 9, 2016”[Mt 7:21]

AND THIS MY FRIEND is God's way precisely spelled out in following OT Tradition of using priest in the process of sin-forgiveness.

Leviticus 5:18
He shall offer of the flocks a ram without blemish to the priest, according to the measure and estimation of the sin: and the priest shall pray for him, because he did it ignorantly: and it shall be forgiven him,

Numbers 15:25
And the priest shall pray for all the multitude of the children of Israel: and it shall be forgiventhem, because they sinned ignorantly, offering notwithstanding a burnt offering to the Lord for themselves and for their sin and their ignorance:

AND THIS IS GOD'S WAY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 "If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

[h=3]John.20 Verses 20 to 23"On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If YOU forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if YOU retain the sins of any, they are retained."[/h]
So in summary:

GOD"S WAY is specified, and follows Old Testament traditions, NOW made Perfect by Jesus' Divine Will

God Bless you
Patrick
 

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This kind of the Christians is never able to come to the knowledge of the truth Let's take a look on the next list of the popular sins, KJV 2Timothy3;1-7,1. This know also, that in the last days perilous time shall come.2.For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3.Without natural affection,trucebreakers,false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good. 4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more then lovers of God; 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof; from such turn away,6. For this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins,led away with divers lusts, 7.Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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This kind of the Christians is never able to come to the knowledge of the truth Let's take a look on the next list of the popular sins, KJV 2Timothy3;1-7,1. This know also, that in the last days perilous time shall come.2.For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3.Without natural affection,trucebreakers,false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good. 4. Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more then lovers of God; 5. Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof; from such turn away,6. For this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins,led away with divers lusts, 7.Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
For the sake of discussion, here is the original copy of these passages from the Douay Bible

[1] Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. [2] Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked,[3] Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness, [4]Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God: [5] Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid.[6] For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires: [7] Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth. [8] Now as Jannes and Mambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith. [9] But they shall proceed no farther; for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as theirs also was. [10] But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, patience,

God Bless you
Patrick
 
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You mean we actually have to think a little when we read the Bible? LOL
Willie, do you realize that the American education system ...
has been "dumbing-down" the public for 50+ years on purpose?
One of the ways has been the removal of "critical thinking".
A high school teacher in BC, Canada, told me that this
would start to be implemented in BC in 2016.
The biggest mystery is why are they 50 years behind the USA?
Later, a neat answer came out: with only 10% of the population
... compared to America, Canada is "small potatoes" for the globalists.
 
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This all has to do with creating unthinking "sheeple" who are easy to control.
 
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Meanwhile, let us get back to those dire warning "sin lists".
What say you?