the antichrist

midwestbob · Dec 14, 2011

Take as much time as you need. I suspect I will have a long wait, for I believe it is impossible for you to prove the man of sin is the beast of Rev13:2 After all it was God Himself that told us beasts are kingdoms. God never said a beast is the man of sin.

Then it might help if you would take the time to read and yunderstand what others write before commenting. When you go half cocked making false statements about what others say it only hurts your case.

No that is not what I said nor what I believe. I have no idea how you got that from what was said. I never said anything about horns so what you are doing is once again putting words in my mouth that were never said. Now if you are going to comment on what I say at least be HONEST and base your comment on what was actually said.
We are talking about the beast of Rev 13:2 . I said the beast of Rev13:2 is a kingdom. I said we can prove it is kingdom because we can see from Daniel that in prophetic language God uses the term beast to describe kingdoms. Weren’t Daniels beasts kingdoms? Wasn’t Daniels lion Babylon,? Wasn’t Daniels bear Medo-Persia? Wasn’t Daniels leopard Greece? And wasn’t Daniel’s 4th kingdom Rome?
Do you agree that the Word was God?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Do you agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Do you agree that God’s inspired word tells us beats or kingdoms in Daniel?
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth…….
So if God said a beast in Daniel is a kingdom and God doesn’t change it stands to reason that if a beast in Daniel is a kingdom then a beast in Rev is also a kingdom .
Did God change or is it man that is trying to change God by changing the definitions God gave in order to justify a doctrine? If God changed and beasts are no longer kingdoms as you insist then surely you could provide the verse where God has redefined a beast as the man of sin. So I’ll wait patiently (like forever) for you to provide this verse that does not exist. We all have free will go ahead believe the beast of Rev 13:2 is the man of sin, if that’s what you want to believe. Just don’t expect me to believe it when God himself told us beasts are kingdoms

Laodicea · Dec 14, 2011

midwestbob said:

This doesn’t give me any reason to believe the beast is in place of Christ. On the other hand it does give us reason to believe it is the opposite. I find it interesting that Islam ( a spiritual kingdom) teaches the exact opposite of the gospels.. It might also be worth noting that Islam’s main power and authority are centered in the same geographic locations as Daniel’s beasts. The lion was Babylon now occupied by Iraq, the bear was Medo-Persia now occupied by Iran and the leopard was Greece now occupied by Syria/Lebanon. Could John’s leopard-bear-lion beast be the spiritual kingdom of Islam?

I believe that the king of the north in Daniel 11 are Islam and Rev 9 also has Islam, but not Rev 13.

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

the Islamic religion did not come into world history until around 565 a.d. it's easy to want to say they are "the antichrist" but john said in or around a.d. 90 "there are many antichrist among us now" and as i point out the Koran had not been written yet. they are the "mean guys today",,,,,,Muslims that is,,, in the 40's it was "Hitler",,,,,,,,,now as cronjecj points out "antichrist" is only found in johns letters.,,,,,and there is the "man of sin","the evil one",,that will rise in the end.,,,,,,,but to his "race",,,,,,,,,,,,not "religion",,,,,,,,look at Daniel 11:37 "neither will he regard the god of,,,,,,,,his,,,,,,,,,fathers,nor the desire of women,nor regard any god:for he shall magnify himself above all.",,,so,,,,,,,,,,"his fathers",,,,,,,,,,Abraham, Issac and Jacob",,,,,,(he will not follow their god),,,,,,"the desire of women",it was the desire of all Jewish women to be the mother of the messiah(so he was not christian) and "nor regard any god",,,,,,,,,,,,so he's not Muslim,Greek or any other "religion",,,,,,,,,,
but back to his "race",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"the god of his fathers",if his "fathers" were Abraham issac and jacob then he's ,,,,,,,,,,,of this bloodline

peterT · Dec 14, 2011

midwestbob said:

Take as much time as you need. I suspect I will have a long wait, for I believe it is impossible for you to prove the man of sin is the beast of Rev13:2 After all it was God Himself that told us beasts are kingdoms. God never said a beast is the man of sin.

Then it might help if you would take the time to read and yunderstand what others write before commenting. When you go half cocked making false statements about what others say it only hurts your case.

No that is not what I said nor what I believe. I have no idea how you got that from what was said. I never said anything about horns so what you are doing is once again putting words in my mouth that were never said. Now if you are going to comment on what I say at least be HONEST and base your comment on what was actually said.
We are talking about the beast of Rev 13:2 . I said the beast of Rev13:2 is a kingdom. I said we can prove it is kingdom because we can see from Daniel that in prophetic language God uses the term beast to describe kingdoms. Weren’t Daniels beasts kingdoms? Wasn’t Daniels lion Babylon,? Wasn’t Daniels bear Medo-Persia? Wasn’t Daniels leopard Greece? And wasn’t Daniel’s 4th kingdom Rome?
Do you agree that the Word was God?
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Do you agree that God is the same yesterday, today and forever?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Do you agree that God’s inspired word tells us beats or kingdoms in Daniel?
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth…….
So if God said a beast in Daniel is a kingdom and God doesn’t change it stands to reason that if a beast in Daniel is a kingdom then a beast in Rev is also a kingdom .
Did God change or is it man that is trying to change God by changing the definitions God gave in order to justify a doctrine? If God changed and beasts are no longer kingdoms as you insist then surely you could provide the verse where God has redefined a beast as the man of sin. So I’ll wait patiently (like forever) for you to provide this verse that does not exist. We all have free will go ahead believe the beast of Rev 13:2 is the man of sin, if that’s what you want to believe. Just don’t expect me to believe it when God himself told us beasts are kingdoms

Don’t be so sensitive I was just asking you a question. and trying to answer your question.

I thought you knew about the little horn as you quoted Daniel 7:23

You are over reacting calling me dishonest.

Psalms 119:165Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

"stands in the temple and confesses himself to be god",,,,they haven't built it yet,but when they do build "a temple in Jerusalem,to again sacrifice to god",,,,,,,,,,if a Muslim tries to go in it and preach,,,,,,or a christian,,,ect. you think they'll let them????????he's gonna be ,,,,,,"of their bloodline" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,some one they believe in and trust,but he will not believe in the god of "his father's",he will stand in the temple and say "he is god"

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

they will believe he is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"a man like me,like Moses said",,,,,,,,,,,they don't believe Christ was the messiah,they believe he is still "coming",they will believe he is the "long prophesied mesiah" and so since he is of their blood line he "will be permitted,in the temple"

peterT · Dec 14, 2011

midwestbob said:

i have got

(1) son

(1) himself

(2) man man

(2) king king

(3) prince prince prince

(7) him him him him him him him

(10)his his his his his his his his his his

(17) he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he

saying its a man an antichrist. what have you got saying its not a man but it is islam?
　

　
Daniel 8:23-25 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft (fraud, deceit, treachery) to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."
Daniel 7:20-21 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Daniel 7:24-27 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Revelation 13:3-18 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man has an ear, let him hear.
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (666)

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

so he's gonna convince the "Jews",,he's the one they were waiting for,,,and the "Christians",,that he returned,,,,,and the "Muslim's" he is Mohammad and the "Greek" he is Zeus,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and he will bring the world to their knees "literally",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just a little,"you misunderstood here",,,,and a little,"you did not see that there",,,,,,,,,,,,

Israel · Dec 14, 2011

peterT said:

John 16:7-14

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when HE is come, HE will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come.

14HE shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Is this one "person" that did this?

Revelation 14:6-11

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

8And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

How many is it now doing what HE, the comforter is doing?

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

anti,,,,,,,in place of,,,,,instead of,,,,,,,,,,,,,, every one just see's the "first four letter's",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Christ,,,messiah,,,,,,savior" the other part ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in place of,,,,,,,,,,since i don't believe "he's the savior",,since i don't believe "he's the messiah",,,since i don't believe "he saved me at the cross" since i don't think "he washed away my sin"s",,since i don't believe "he resurrected me from the dead",,,since i don't believe,,,,,,,"his blood was that precious",,,,,,,,,,well I'm gonna try to figure out something i can do "in place of",,,,,"instead of",,,,,,,,,,,,,"because he did not",,,,,,,,I'm gonna,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,be the ,,,,,,,,,,,,,"back-up savior",,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm gonna dig all through the bible and "save my self",,,,,,,,,,because "i'm smart enough",,,,,,,"he tried so i think i should go out and save a bunch of people because his blood didnt",so ill be "anti",,,,in place of,,,,,,the "back-up messiah",just like a "back up quarterback",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"go like this with your hand's,,,and you'll be saved",,,,,,,,,,,"follow the saboath on saturday,and youll be saved",,,,,,,,,,,,no,"'do it on sunday and you'll be saved",,,,,"say this and you'll be saved",,,,,,,,,,,,,"scream and run around and you'll be saved",,,,,,,,,"'have you been saved yet?",,,,come on now I'm the "back-up Christ",and i see all of you that "don't believe that Christ blood at the cross saved you",,,,,,,,,,,,"digging through the scriptures,,,,,,,,,hard,,,,,,,,trying to figure out what to do to save yourselves",,,,,"search ye the scriptures for in them you think he might obtain eternal life,but they are they which confess me",,,,,good quote huh?,,,,,,,,these "antichrist" you can see them very well,,,,,"their works confess them",,the verb of them is that they go about "saving themselves",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"their afraid",,,,,,,,,and they think that "if they save you,they have saved themselves",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they don't believe,the Christ saved them,they are not at rest,,,,they have works to do,,,,,"they are saving you,because they think he did not",they are,,,,,,,,, "in hell",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"they thirst and it is not quenched",,,,,,,,,,they "hunger,,,they are not full",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you hold your hands together and say "they are full of hope",and they hold their hands together,,,,,,,,,,,and they "hope for salvation,,,for to them it is empty",,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are "anti",,,,,,,,,,in the place of,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Christ",,,,,,,the "savior",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,this is the good news,,,,,,,,,,,,,"that you receive no other than he confess Christ crucified",,,,,,,,,,,not "going to be crucified",,,,,,,,,,,,,past tense,"crucified",,,,,,,,,,,,,,not "going to save you",,,past tense,,,,,,,,,,"saved you at the cross",,,not "going to resurrect you,but resurrected you at the cross" not going to forgive you but "forgave you at the cross",,,,,,,,,,is Christ going to save you? or did he save you a few years ago?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or did he "save you on the cross"???????????????????????????,he would be mocking his own blood to say he will save you "tomorrow",,,,,,,,,,"the cross",,,,,,,,,,their is no other salvation other than in it,,,,,,,,,will you still seek to "save yourself,and be in torment?be at peace,rest,honer this holy sabbath,,,,,,you have no work to do,,,,,,no man says "thank you" until he is received his prayer.,,,,,,,,until you receive it you will always"beg for it" ,,,,who are you "anti-Christ" who will not receive the salvation of the cross" and who will from birth till sleep search for it?and because you disbelieve he gave it to you try to be in replacement of the salvation?,,,,,saving yourself,,,,,,,by your works,,,,,,,,,,,,you are not clever to look for the sun as it is shining on you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but your works do confess you.

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

Dan. 11;37,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if he ain't worshiping any god ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he ain't "Islam"

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

look the three ribs,,,,kingdoms,mountains,,,,,,,,,whatever you want to see them as,,,,,,,,,,,,,,from the days of "john",,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Christ" the "apostles"that ruled in any form were ,,,,,"England" ,,"France",,,,,,,,,,,and "Spain",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,there were not any other kingdoms that were "superpowers",from the days of Christ/apostles until now. Russia didn't rule the known earth,or Italy or Greece or Australasia..not even Germany,,,Mexico didn't Brazil didn't,India didn't,,,,there were only the "three" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,England France and Spain",,,,,,so "a government,with a small army" rose up and puled up the ruling power from those three,,,,,,,,,,"united states,,,,,,rev. war.,,,,,,,,,,,,,Spanish American war,,,,,,,,, french Indian war",,,,,,,,,,,,13 colonies stood up to the "three" kingdoms that ruled the planet earth from the days that "these prophecies" were written till now,,,and told the English "go home",and the french "heawh- get",,,,,,,,,,,,,and Spain,,,,,"we will not let any of the governments of Europe or the old world tell us what to do" ,,,,,,,,,we have the "three ribs that ruled from Christ till now in our mouth",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"they obey us",,,,,and we did it with 13 colananies,,,of not supplied,not in uniform soldiers,,,,,we took on "three major world super powers",,,,,,and sent them packing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,do the math, did Russia contour three nations ?Argentina? who?????????????just the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no one else

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

yea right ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ten horns,,,three of them were "big" that is of the ten ,,,,,,,,,,,,,three were of such that ,,,,,,,,,,,,,"a",kingdom needed to over-through them,,it just had a small army,,,,,,,,,,,"remember when Peru went to war with those three governments and stomped them???" nahhh dont work that way does it? the u.s. did ,,,,,and that's the "world history" that we have today in the year 2011.

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

his 'fathers" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?

iamsoandso · Dec 14, 2011

i,,feel as though i have intruded,,,,,,,,,,,,i will be quiet for a while,i mean no o fence,,,,,,,,,,do talk, i enjoy to see you all talk ,,,,,,,,,,,you do look at it so earnest.

1Christianwarrior316 · Dec 14, 2011

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shallcome, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
　
Where in the above verses does it say in place of Christ?

Since the Word of God gives us the definition of antichrist then why would we look any further? According to scripture antichrist is one word, it is not capitalized, and it is not two separate words. Is it possible we are leaning unto our own understanding in this case. Scripture tells us to lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

midwestbob · Dec 15, 2011

peterT said:

It’s not hard to see through the fallacy of this. Any one reading that post can see that you made no attempt what so ever to answer my questions. Instead all you did was try to make it look like I was saying something I never said. If you had addressed what was actually said we wouldn’t be having this discussion. But instead you have chosen to confuse the issue by twisting my words and then asking questions based on your twisted view of what was said.

I know about the little horn but that isn’t what we were discussing. Your twisting my words is nothing more then a poor attempt to confuse the issue and take the heat off yourself because you cannot support the view you espouse with Scripture. If you truly misunderstood then may I suggest you take the time to read and understand what others say before commenting.

Maybe but I seriously doubt it. I find it ridiculous to believe that one could have drawn the conclusions you have drawn based on what was said. So the question becomes were you genuinely confused or are you just deliberately trying to confuse the issue to discredit what was said? I guess only God and you can answer that.

Not offended at all, I find it amusing when people resort to the tactic of twisting the words of others in order to discredit what was said because they can’t refute what was said with Scripture.

Friend if you want an honest discussion I’m all for it but I am not interested in playing games with someone who resorts to the tactic of twisting another’s words in order to discredit what they said. If you honestly want to prove someone wrong do it with Scripture not by twisting their words to make it look like they are saying something they never said.

May God bless your studies

midwestbob · Dec 15, 2011

peterT said:

LOL Like I said I suspect I’ll be waiting awhile. I provide Scripture that uses God’s inspired word to prove that beasts are kingdoms so the beast in Rev13:2 has to be a kingdom. I show you that your he him his argument is inconclusive and the best you can do is repackage that argument by adding verses from Daniel so you can add the words king, son man, prince etc…..
LoL Using the logic you use then Israel and Babylon are also people and we know that isn’t the case Do you also believe Israel is a person?
Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put HER away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet HER treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Or maybe Babylon?
Jer 50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense HER according to her work; according to all that SHE hath done, do unto HER: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.

Are you trying to say the verses you are quoting from Daniel are speaking about the beast of Rev13:2? If so you might start by trying to prove the beast is a man not a kingdom. After all I have proven with Scripture that in the language of prophecy a beast is a kingdom (remember Daniel’s kingdoms are beasts, do you need the verses again?) and history proves it to be true.. Yet inspite of this you insist a beast is an individual person, an end time world leader known as “the Antichrist” I’ve shown a verse from scripture that says a beast is a kingdom. Can you show a verse from Scripture that says a beast is the antichrist? No, there is no such verse. I choose to believe the beast from Rev13:2 because God’s inspired word tells us a beast is a kingdom rather then a doctrine that falsely assumes that just because the beast is referred to as a person.it must be "the Antichrist"

Whatever friend we all have free will believe what you choose

midwestbob · Dec 15, 2011

iamsoandso said:

Can you show us the verse from Scripture that actually says a new temple will be built? (not a verse that leads one to assume that, but actually states that) Didn’t Paul (the one God inspired to write the verse about the man of sin) tell us the temple of God the body of a believer (1Cor3:16-17 2Cor6:16) or the corporate body of believers(Eph2-19-21)?
So if every other time Paul used the term "temple of God" he meant the believer why in this instance should we believe he is referring to some future man made building?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth
in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

If you want to find the man of sin you need to look for him in the temple of God, not some building the Jews may or may not build.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with
the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ
himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Besides God does not dwell in man made buildings
Act 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Christ Himself declared the old temple desolate roughly 40 years before it was destroyed. How would that change even if it was rebuilt?

For a Christian to suggest that a future "temple of God" is scriptural, would require believing that Jesus' finished work on the Cross, is incomplete and unfinished. Jesus warned the Pharisees of such:

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Once we understand the location of the "temple of God", John Nelson Darby's mid-19th century futurist invention collapses. Thus any rebuilt temple could hardly be desolated, since the shed blood of Jesus Christ would have already rendered it desolate, before the first stone could be laid.

That some Jews that may remain sovereignly blinded, and could have an interest in building a temple should not be a surprise. But as Christians we can readily see that the only "temple of God", ever since the Cross, is the one that Jesus Himself rebuilt in three days.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high
priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Why lean on man’s definition when we have the word of God to go on:
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Can you show me which of the above verses is saying in place of or instead of? Should we lean on our own understanding or on God’s word for the definition of antichrists?

LOL allah isn't God.

Put in it’s proper context:
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor
regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things

As we can see from the very next verse “But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not”.
Islam worships Allah (who has no son eliminating the possibility he is the true God). Muhammad's grandfather, Abdul Muttalib, was the leader of Mecca and a custodian of Ka'aba's 360 idols. The Koran confirms that he was a pagan. His father worshipped those same 360 idols. Yet mohammed the false prophet who started Islam had no regard for them.

midwestbob · Dec 15, 2011

A challenge to any willing to answer the questions below with a simple yes or no and Scripture that is undisputable.

Do any of the 4 verses that employ the word antichrist or antichrists say that antichrist is an end time world leader?
No
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Was antichrist already in the world when the verses about antichrist were written?
Yes
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

Do any of the verses that use the term antichrist suggest that antichrist may be future?
Yes
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time

Do any of the verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists identify the antichrist John was referring to when John said “ye have heard antichrist shall come”?
Yes
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, where of ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Was that antichrist (from the question above) already in the world?
Yes
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, where of ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Are there any verses in Scripture that tell us a beast is a kingdom?
Yes.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

If God’s inspired word tells us a beast is a kingdom in Daniel should we therefore believe a beast in Revelation is also a kingdom?
Yes
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Is there a verse in Scripture that says a beast is “the Antichrist”?
No

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