The covenant of Daniel 9 :27

[eternally-gratefull]

This is an absolute false statement. Daniel 9 is about Jesus. the prophecy starting in Daniel 9:24 and ending with verse 27 is about the coming Messiah as clearly stated in verses 24 itself.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

No. You are wrong

Daniel was not praying to ring Jesus, or the messiah. He was praying concerning his people, and HIS CITY.

Gabriel was net sent to answer daniels prayer about anything else.

He was sent to answer his prayer. Thus the topic of his pray MUST BE THE CONTEXT OF THE ANSWER.

If you believe Daniel 9 is about anyone but Jesus then you have a distorted view of this prophecy, who the anointed one is, who Jesus is.

yep, he is annointed. Yet he has not yet been annointed the ruler of his city (jerusalem) nor is he sitting on his throne in said city!

You have to throw everything Gabriel said about all the wars and desolation's. the 7 year covenant made between a prince and many people. and this same prince breaking this covenant by commiting the abomination.

THESE HAVE NOT HAPPENED YET.

Nor has the great tribulation happens. Jesus makes it clear.

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

No flesh saved?? Not possible until the advent of nuclear weapons. Thus could not have happened in the first century AD as ammilenialists demand it did!

 

[notIbutChrist]

Originally Posted by notIbutChrist

This is an absolute false statement. Daniel 9 is about Jesus. the prophecy starting in Daniel 9:24 and ending with verse 27 is about the coming Messiah as clearly stated in verses 24 itself.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

No. You are wrong

Daniel was not praying to ring Jesus, or the messiah. He was praying concerning his people, and HIS CITY.

How blind, and willfully so

 

[Abiding]

As I told Zone and others.

THE PROMISE WAS AN ETERNAL PROMISE. Just because they possesed it for a short time does not mean the covenant was fulfilled. IT IS THERS FOREVER. MEANING IT IS THERS TODAY.

they do not posses it because of the curse of lev 26. But it is STILL THEIRS.

Forever does not stop just because something which is said to be given to someone just happened to be fulfilled.

seeing you have been through this...im sure its futile to mention....fulfilled means fulfilled.
Need i show you what forever means in the bible...im sure you already know it doesnt mean
what we think by forever...if you think it does than you have several biblical problems, with which would
make this issue seem insignificant.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How blind, and willfully so

Daniels prayer:

13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the LORD has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the LORD our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!
16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for YOUR CITY AND YOUR PEOPLE are called by Your name.”

Yep I am blind.

show me where daniel is praying about jesus coming in his prayer?

I bolded and highlighted in blue WHO and WHAT Daniel was prying for. To deny this. is to deny truth!

of course you can't. so we see who is really blind!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

seeing you have been through this...im sure its futile to mention....fulfilled means fulfilled.
Need i show you what forever means in the bible...im sure you already know it doesnt mean
what we think by forever...if you think it does than you have several biblical problems, with which would
make this issue seem insignificant.

If I tell you I am giving you something and it is your forever. Is my promise fulfilled. just because I gave it to you? No. if I took it back. I broke my promise and failed to fulfill my part of the agreement, because I did not mean forever when I gave it to you.

Lev 26 makes it clear that if Israel disobays, God will make her land, her city and her temple desolate. This was fulfilled in 70 AD.

It also states if they repent, he will remember his covenant with Abraham Issac and Jacob.

Now tell me. Why would God say he would protect them in the land which you rightly said he gave them and fulfilled it. if they obayed him. But if theu turned, he would take them from that land. And yet even again, if they repent, return them to the land. If God already held up his part of the agreement?

Sorry. But it does not make sense.

You might as well say eternal life is not eternal either. He already saved us. It does not have to be eternal. and we can lose itor God can take it back.. why not. He did not really mean eternal did he??

Just like israel lost the land right??

No, eternal life is forever. Just likean unconditional covenant given to Abraham, issac and jacob means forever too.

The condition was poession of the land, Not ownership!

The land was abrahams long before he or his people possessed it!

 

[gotime]

I will now add to my study on Daniel 9:27.

Some here have said that the vision is in answer to the prayer thus it had to be in Daniels time, this is however easily proved to be in error by taking the starting time that Gabriel gives to Daniel.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem...

Thus we know from scripture that this time was in 457 bc as seen in the book of Ezra chapters 6 and 7. see first study for info.

but one might well ask the question of how does Daniels Prayer relate to the time prophecy given in verses 24-27. The answer may be found in the prayer itself and the reason that Daniel started to pray.

If we go back to chapter 8 we find a vision is given to Daniel by who?

Answer:
Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Gabriel is the one here who speaks the vision to Daniel.

Then what does the vision concern?

Answer:
Dan 8:17 ...for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

These visions have to do with the time of the end. while I am not saying that everything that is in the vision happens at the end. we find that the events lead us right to the end.

I would like to note that I am not trying to explain who the beast are in this post or what they are doing. I am primarily focused on the context of Daniels vision in verse 9.

Note at the end of the vision Daniels response.

Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

What was it that Daniel struggled with?

Answer:
Daniel had the entire vision explained to him by Gabriel except for one part. what part was it?

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Here we have a time prophecy that Gabriel gives to Daniel and now lets look at the explanation.

Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Notice here that the time prophecy is not explained but only spoken of as true.

So what is it about a time prophecy that Daniel did not understand that has caused this pain and sickness in Daniel?

Answer:
The answer is found in the prayer so lets look at it.

Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

Notice that Daniel reacts by studying the word of God through Jeremiah concerning a time prophecy. and then he begins to repent over his and Israel sins.

what does this tell us?

Answer:
We must understand that Daniel is in captivity and the sanctuary in Jerusalem lies in ruins. Daniel knew from the prophecies of Jeremiah that 70 years were decreed by God for their exile. He also knew that that time was nearly up. so why is Daniel suddenly afraid?

Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
Jer 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jer 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

Daniel is worried because though the time is close at hand he now hears a prophecy concerning time that has to do with restoring the sanctuary. remember the vision.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel thinks that God has prolonged their captivity because of their sins. this is made even more sure when Daniel goes from confession to the point of his prayer.

Dan 9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
Dan 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

Notice that the whole point of Daniels prayer revolves around the restoration of the Sanctuary and Gods holy city. There is only one reason given in chapter 8 that concerns the Sanctuary and this is verse 14.

So we learn that Daniel thinks that God is going to prolong their captivity because of their sins.

what happens next?

Answer:
Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Gabriel the one from the fist vision that gave the time of 2300 days has come. why?

Answer:
Dan 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

So Gabriel has come to help Daniel understand what?

the 2300 day prophecy which Daniel did not understand from the vision in chapter 8. remember Daniel said he did not understand and the only thing that Gabriel did not explain in the vision was the 2300 days.

This is when Daniel gets the vision of the 490 years/seventy sevens in verse 24. by the way in verse 24 it says.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people...

the word determined here means to "cut off" In other words this time prophecy is a part of a greater prophecy. thus this time prophecy gives us the starting date of the 2300 years. Remember that it is given to give understanding on the 2300 day prophecy. this then leads us to 1844. which Gabriel said is the time of the end. to understand what took place in 1844 one must understand Sanctuary language and the services and roles in the sanctuary. Hebrews, Daniel, Leviticus, revelation and others will help with this.

God bless you all.

 

[Laodicea]

The covenant that God gave to Abraham teaches the gospel
Galatians 3:8
(8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Genesis 12:2-3
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

So the covenant which also teaches the gospel tells us that we can inherit the new earth through the seed which is Christ. Also note that the covenant to Abraham and his seed is based on the promises of God there was nothing required of Abraham to work for it, this is teaching us that salvation is based on what God does for us this also teaches the gospel.
Ephesians 2:8-10
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Because the promise was to Abraham and his seed then to inherit the new earth we need to belong to the seed
John 4:22
(22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 8:39-40
(39) They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
(40) But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

So Daniel 9:27 says this
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant (gospel) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So since the covenant is the gospel did Christ preach the gospel to the Jews
Mark 1:1
(1) The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

As has been mentioned in another post the final week began in 27AD with the baptism of Jesus, 3.5 years later He was crucified 3.5 years after that Stephen was stoned and the gospel went to the Gentiles. For those 7 years the gospel was preached to the Jews the first 3.5 years by Christ the next 3.5 years by the Apostles.
Matthew 10:5-6
(5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
(24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Acts 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Hebrews 2:3
(3) How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;



So Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled it is not talking about a future covenant made by the Antichrist it is about the preaching of the gospel to the Jews for 7 years. Because Israel rejected the gospel by crucifying Christ and stoning Stephen (they blocked their ears so they could not hear Stephen) God allowed the city to be destroyed which also fulfilled Daniel 9 and Matthew 21
Daniel 9:26
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Matthew 21:37-41
(37) But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
(38) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
(39) And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
(40) When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
(41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Matthew 21:43-45
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

 

[AnandaHya]

Daniel 9

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

what is the consummation of the covenant?

WHo is the HE who makes the covenant?

Read the passages. 3 1/2 days is equal to a time and a time and half a time as spoken in other parts of the Bible.

He confirms the covenant for a week. HE is JESUS who confirms the NEW covenant. In the middle of His ministry HE ended sacrifice and oblation by His death and resurrection. then He came back and appeared to His disciples and even to Saul who is now called Paul.

what do you think it means when it says "that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" due to the "overspreading of abominations" ?

it sounds like the bowls of wrath as spoken in in Revelations to me. The consummation of the covenant is the marriage supper of Christ and His bride, the Church. That is the covenant that Gabriel speaks about.

Daniel was praying because he saw the upcomming enslavement to Babylon and wanted to know if God would be merciful and God answered by sending Gabriel to give him knowledge of the Annointed One. Of Christ and God's plan of redemption for the world.

Satan and his AntiChrist does not make covenant with people. they just make them submit and oppress them. Covenants involve a give and take, Satan just takes, no giving. If you have any verses that tell me where Satan has been shown to make covenants with people. please show me them. I have not read them.

funny I would highlight these words in the scriptures that point to JESUS Christ as an answer to Daniel's prayers....


18O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.


19O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
20And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
23At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. 24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy

So has Jesus is the Anointed one or not? Did He make an end of sins? Did His death on the cross make a reconciliation for inquity? Did He bring everlasting righteousness who have been born again with the Holy Spirit or not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are you saying that you don't agree with this? .So to put these two together the covenant teaches that through Christ we can inherit the new earth, do you agree with this?

Yes. But this has nothing to do with the Land God promised to the literal flesh descendants of Abraham. This is an eternal inheritance. promised to ALL who come through Christ.

The temporal promise God gave abraham and his family was not shared by anyone other than his family. And had eternal foundation. Many could share in this temporal promise who rejected God and his plan. Remember it was a national promise, Not an individual one.

That is a big difference.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will now add to my study on Daniel 9:27.

Some here have said that the vision is in answer to the prayer thus it had to be in Daniels time, this is however easily proved to be in error by taking the starting time that Gabriel gives to Daniel.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem...

Thus we know from scripture that this time was in 457 bc as seen in the book of Ezra chapters 6 and 7. see first study for info.

but one might well ask the question of how does Daniels Prayer relate to the time prophecy given in verses 24-27. The answer may be found in the prayer itself and the reason that Daniel started to pray.

If we go back to chapter 8 we find a vision is given to Daniel by who?

Answer:
Dan 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Gabriel is the one here who speaks the vision to Daniel.

Then what does the vision concern?

Answer:
Dan 8:17 ...for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

These visions have to do with the time of the end. while I am not saying that everything that is in the vision happens at the end. we find that the events lead us right to the end.

I would like to note that I am not trying to explain who the beast are in this post or what they are doing. I am primarily focused on the context of Daniels vision in verse 9.

Note at the end of the vision Daniels response.

Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

What was it that Daniel struggled with?

Answer:
Daniel had the entire vision explained to him by Gabriel except for one part. what part was it?

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Here we have a time prophecy that Gabriel gives to Daniel and now lets look at the explanation.

Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

Notice here that the time prophecy is not explained but only spoken of as true.

So what is it about a time prophecy that Daniel did not understand that has caused this pain and sickness in Daniel?

Answer:
The answer is found in the prayer so lets look at it.

Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

Notice that Daniel reacts by studying the word of God through Jeremiah concerning a time prophecy. and then he begins to repent over his and Israel sins.

what does this tell us?

Answer:
We must understand that Daniel is in captivity and the sanctuary in Jerusalem lies in ruins. Daniel knew from the prophecies of Jeremiah that 70 years were decreed by God for their exile. He also knew that that time was nearly up. so why is Daniel suddenly afraid?

Jer 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
Jer 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it perpetual desolations.

Jer 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

Daniel is worried because though the time is close at hand he now hears a prophecy concerning time that has to do with restoring the sanctuary. remember the vision.

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel thinks that God has prolonged their captivity because of their sins. this is made even more sure when Daniel goes from confession to the point of his prayer.

Dan 9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
Dan 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

Notice that the whole point of Daniels prayer revolves around the restoration of the Sanctuary and Gods holy city. There is only one reason given in chapter 8 that concerns the Sanctuary and this is verse 14.

So we learn that Daniel thinks that God is going to prolong their captivity because of their sins.

what happens next?

Answer:
Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Gabriel the one from the fist vision that gave the time of 2300 days has come. why?

Answer:
Dan 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

So Gabriel has come to help Daniel understand what?

the 2300 day prophecy which Daniel did not understand from the vision in chapter 8. remember Daniel said he did not understand and the only thing that Gabriel did not explain in the vision was the 2300 days.

This is when Daniel gets the vision of the 490 years/seventy sevens in verse 24. by the way in verse 24 it says.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people...

the word determined here means to "cut off" In other words this time prophecy is a part of a greater prophecy. thus this time prophecy gives us the starting date of the 2300 years. Remember that it is given to give understanding on the 2300 day prophecy. this then leads us to 1844. which Gabriel said is the time of the end. to understand what took place in 1844 one must understand Sanctuary language and the services and roles in the sanctuary. Hebrews, Daniel, Leviticus, revelation and others will help with this.

God bless you all.

Nice study. But I have a few problems.

1 Daniel 8 is a continuation of Daniel 7. and is the prophesy concerning the future history of man. It is a much deeper vision of what happened earlier in daniel, where a not so indepth vision had occured.
2. Daniel 9 is daniel remembering jeremiah's prophesy of 70 years according to leviticus 26. He even mentions the law of moses in his prayer. It is not related in any way to daniel 8
3. Daniel 8 speaks of the end of all things, Daniel 9 is daniel praying for his city and his people, who were in sin, and being punished according to lev 26. He was speaking not of future, but of present things.

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[zone]

The covenant that God gave to Abraham teaches the gospel
Galatians 3:8
(8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Genesis 12:2-3
(2) And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
(3) And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:8
(8) And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Hebrews 11:10
(10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

So the covenant which also teaches the gospel tells us that we can inherit the new earth through the seed which is Christ. Also note that the covenant to Abraham and his seed is based on the promises of God there was nothing required of Abraham to work for it, this is teaching us that salvation is based on what God does for us this also teaches the gospel.
Ephesians 2:8-10
(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Because the promise was to Abraham and his seed then to inherit the new earth we need to belong to the seed
John 4:22
(22) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Galatians 3:29
(29) And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Acts 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 8:39-40
(39) They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
(40) But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

So Daniel 9:27 says this
Daniel 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant (gospel) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So since the covenant is the gospel did Christ preach the gospel to the Jews
Mark 1:1
(1) The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

As has been mentioned in another post the final week began in 27AD with the baptism of Jesus, 3.5 years later He was crucified 3.5 years after that Stephen was stoned and the gospel went to the Gentiles. For those 7 years the gospel was preached to the Jews the first 3.5 years by Christ the next 3.5 years by the Apostles.
Matthew 10:5-6
(5) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(6) But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24
(24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Acts 1:8
(8) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Hebrews 2:3
(3) How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;



So Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled it is not talking about a future covenant made by the Antichrist it is about the preaching of the gospel to the Jews for 7 years. Because Israel rejected the gospel by crucifying Christ and stoning Stephen (they blocked their ears so they could not hear Stephen) God allowed the city to be destroyed which also fulfilled Daniel 9 and Matthew 21
Daniel 9:26
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Matthew 21:37-41
(37) But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
(38) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
(39) And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
(40) When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
(41) They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Matthew 21:43-45
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
(45) And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

good post Lao.
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[eternally-gratefull]

Daniel 9.

Who and what is Daniel praying for. And what does the vision mean?

1. Praying for his people, being punished by the law of moses (lev 26) which he even mentions in his prayer.

11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.
13 “As it is written in the Law of Moses, all this disaster has come upon us; yet we have not made our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities and understand Your truth. 14 Therefore the LORD has kept the disaster in mind, and brought it upon us; for the LORD our God is righteous in all the works which He does, though we have not obeyed His voice. 15 And now, O Lord our God, who brought Your people out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and made Yourself a name, as it is this day—we have sinned, we have done wickedly!

This is a direct reference to Lev 26, Where God set out the punishment inflicted on the "Nation" if it did not heed his voice. and there is a few things to notice.

Daniel says "all Isreal" has transgressed. Think about it. When did Daniel not do what was required in lev 26 about not sinning against God with foriegn Gods or other things? We are not even told of any sins he commited. we also have the three who were thrown into the furnace because they would not rebell against God. We know there are others who followed God. So why did Daniel say "all Israel" He was talking about them as a nation, as a whole.

why is this important?

1. Israel was in punishment for not following Gods laws as per lev 26.
2. The punishment was set for 70 years.
3. Daniel knew the 70 years were almost up.
4. Daniel also knew the nation of Israel had not repented.
5. According to lev 26. complete restoration was dependant on isreals repentance "admission of guilt of their sin, and the sin of the fathers.
6/ The 70 years, according to jeremiah, was to give a sabbath to the land, to allow it to rest. And this time was almost up.
7. Daniel was praying for Gods mercy. To allow Gods city to be restored, and his house (temple) to be rebuilt in SPITE of the sins of the people.


16 “O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

what is gabriels answer?

70 years are given for YOUR PEOPLE and YOUR CITY.

These same people who were at this time in sin, rebellion and wanted nothing to do with God. many of whom were in deep adultry by playing with the mother of harlots (babylon). these same people who would go on and die having never repented.

The City was Jerusalem, which lie in ruins. Because of the sin of said people.

God is going to show mercy to these people who are in sin and rebellion, and more importantly to the City which Daniel says belongs to God. Even though his people have not repented. God is going to ALLOW them to return.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT DANIEL WAS PRAYING FOR!

what do we know about the time from Daniels prayer, until the time of Christ.

1. Israel NEVER REPENTED
2. Isreal NEVER HEEDED THE Conditions set forth in Lev 26 to live in their land and enjoy Gods provision.
3. Israel brought back with it the worship of the mother of harlots (babylon) and even defiled the rebuilt temple with it.
4. God kept his promise to daniel, even though he had every right to make AD 70 a reality long before then. and even had a right not to return them at all. for they had never repented according to lev 26 to deserve forgiveness.
5. God's love for Daniel was a special love.
6. From the time the command was sent out, until Christ. Israel might have been allowed in her land, and even rebuild temple. But they were always under foreign rule.

To finish the transgression,

God would allow Isreal, the city and the temple to be undesolate fot his 70 years. to allow for the transgression of Daniels people to be finished, or put to an end.

To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity,

Within this 70 year time, The sin of the people will come to an end. And reconcisiation for their sin will be accomplished.
1. reconciliation performed on the cross
2. Isreal is still in sin, thus the first part has not been accomplished yet

To bring in everlasting righteousness,

Done at Christ's ressurection. As his plan of salvation was then complete.

To seal up vision and prophecy,

Mostly done, But still active, as there is still biblical prophesy which has not yet been fulfilled. Including that of Daniel 7 and 8.

And to anoint the Most Holy.

Reference to Gods covenant with David. That a messiah would sit on his throne, and rule the world. This is what Israel (and the world as well as demons and satan himself thought Christ came to do, which allowed satan to crucify him, because satan did not realize Christ was also the suffering servant who would die a horrible death for the sins of his people.)

Again yet to be fulfilled. Because Christ has not yet set his kingdom by ruling on the throne of David in the holy city of jerusalem.

again. We can not look to the throne Christ is sitting on now as fulfilment, Because Christ is sitting on HIS throne, Not Davids. David had an earthly throne, not a heavenly one.

even if we look to the future new world and new city. This is yet to be fulfilled. because those things have not happened yet.

He then gives a sequence of things which will happen.

1. The command to restore Jerusalem (Not the temple) starts the fulfillment
2. From this command until Messiah enters Jerusalem to receive his throne will be 7 weeks plus 62 weeks or 69 years. (History shows this prophesy was fulfilled literally to the day, Christ even weeped because Israel did not know what day this was, which they should have)
3. After this. Messiah will be cut off (hebrew word here means killed)
4. By this time. all prophesy concerning the first 69 weeks have been literally fulfilled to the exact time as God had said it would (which makes God the only true God, because only God can tell future events and have them fiulfilled 100 percent. this separates him from false God)
5. This leaves 7 years left on the prophetic time table according to Gabriel. and is also where we come to problems, and disagreements.

6. sequence of events following messiah being cut off:

And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The people of a future prince will destroy the city and the sancuary. Fulfilled in 70 AD by the roman army almost 40 years after the end of the 69th week.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

This "destruction and desolation shal continue until the end of war desolations are determined by God. In other words. From 70 AD until a time determined by God, Jerusalem and the temple will remain desolate by being occupied by foreign armies. and there will be no temple. This is still in effect today, as there is no temple. and Jerusalem is still in enemy hands. Thus we know the time of war desolations are still in effect.


27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

The prince of the people who destroy the city will CONFIRM some covenant which is in effect. It is important to look at the wording

1. The prince does not make the covenant, he CONFIRMS, Or allows it to continue.
2. We see this today. WHen a new leader takes office. He has the ability to "confirm and agreement of a previous leader. Or to make a new one.
3. This shows that a new leader takes power, and confirms some existing covenant (agreement, or using modern day term, a treaty) which was given to many people, not just Israel.
4. This agreement at one time must have allowed for a temple to be rebuilt. Because at this time, sacrifice and offereng are being made in this temple.
5. Israel, as we speak, are doing all they can to rebuild this temple. They have all the furniture and decorations which are supposed to be in it, including the priestly garments which are made and ready to be used when this temple is rebuilt.
6. The only thing holding them back is some agreement which would allow Israel to do this without backlash from her enemies in the middle east. Especially since the "Holy of Holies" should be situated where the Dome of the Rock sits. For Israel to rebuild this temple. they must have some sort of protection to do this. In other words. some peace treat and offer of protection must be made by a power strong enough and capable enough to protect them from backlash from the Muslim armies which would surely do everything they can to destroy Israel and this temple.
7. Even though Israel is still in sin, Still reject Christ (as proven by their return to sacrifice) God allows them to do it anyway. Why? We are still in the 70 weeks. God is having mercy.
8. This agreement is supposed to be for 7 years, and also marks the restoration of the 70 week time period CONCERNING DANIELS CITY, SANCTUARY, AND PEOPLE.

But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,

1. This leader breaks the agreement, treaty or covenant. And enters the Holy of Holies and defiles it.
2. According to Christ himself. This is also a break of peace, For Christ says there will be tribulation from this time wish as never has been seen.

Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

This will continue until this time which is determined is poured out on the desolate.
2. Christ sayd this time will end as he returns, because of the elect, because if he does not return, all flesh will be killed.
3. More importantly. This could not have been fulfilled until the advent of Nuclear weapons. Because in no time in history has man had the ability to kill itself off.
4. Revelation tells us this is when Christ returns. The battle of Armageddon is fought;. ALl evil (desolate) are killed. And the only people left standing is the elect.
5. It then tells us Christ sets up his throne, in fulfiment of his promise to david. and is annointed king. which also brings and end to gabriels prophesy. as "all Isreal is saved" because they have repented. Because of this. The final aspect of lev 26 (if you repent) is fulfilled also. And Israel is in her land, affording all the protections as laid out in Lev 26. as all her enemies have been defeated. according to many many OT prophesies concerning this.


conclusion.

1. Daniels prayer was for his people, "Isreal" not any Gentile or gentile nation.
2. Daniels pray was for earthly jerusalem. Not a heavenly one, or the church
3. Daniel prayer was answer in context of what he was praying for by Gabriel
4. The interpretation of Daniel 9 MUST be done in accordance with who and what Daniel was praying for. Since Daniel did not pray for any gentiles. The church can not be the fulfillment of Gabriel's vision.
5. Gabriel's vision will not be fulfilled until:

1. Israel has repented
2. Christ is setting on David's throne.

 

[notIbutChrist]

He confirms the covenant for a week. HE is JESUS who confirms the NEW covenant. In the middle of His ministry HE ended sacrifice and oblation by His death and resurrection.

This is the root of the discussion, and I am in total agreement with the astatement. The covenant was confirmed when Jesus was baptized, and God declared His as Messiah, saying ''This is my beloved son''. 3.5 yrs later He (Jesus) causes the sacrifices to cease becoming the ultimate, and final sacrifice for sins.

 

[notIbutChrist]

EG, why is this false theology so imprtant to you, that you cannot see the truth and let go of your denominational teaching?

I understand why people falsely believe in a pretrib rapture, or why people would falsely believe in OSAS, but why do you care if Daniel 9 id referring to the anti christ or not or whether the Great Tribulation lasts 7yrs or 3.5 like Revelation says it does.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, why is this false theology so imprtant to you, that you cannot see the truth and let go of your denominational teaching?

1. You have not proven it is false.
2. I have posted exactly why I believe it. I have yet to see you disprove it. or counter it. So do you think I am just going to drop my believe just because you think I should without no reasonable explanation?

I don't follow men!

I understand why people falsely believe in a pretrib rapture, or why people would falsely believe in OSAS, but why do you care if Daniel 9 id referring to the anti christ or not or whether the Great Tribulation lasts 7yrs or 3.5 like Revelation says it does.

As with ALL scripture. I want to know what God is saying. Not just what people think he is saying, again I do not follow men. I stayed away from it for along time (as you can see, I have not responded on other threads even active today started by Zone, or others I have discussed this in great detail with, thus see no need to beat a dead horse.)

I just responded here because myself and loadecia have really not discussed this topic.

as for all else. This is not a salvic doctrine. I actually should not matter to me what others believe about it. I am just explaining what I believe, and why. I am not going to stop being Zone and Abidings friend and brother and sister in Christ because we disagree on these things. It should not be a point of contention and division among Gods people. as long as we all do it with God in mind, and not our personal convictions or biases.

Unlike OSAS, it is not a doctrine which will determine our eternal life (or lack of). I might get a little heated with this subject (I am passionate about it as I LOVE history, and prophesy). But I try my best not let it get me to the point I am angry or upset with someone who does not agree with me, and If I do get that way, I admit, I am in sin when I do it.

Now someone who is teaching a works based gospel (against OSAS), then yes. I will get angry. and fight it tooth and nail. Because that false doctrine will send those who trust in it to hell!

now. if you would like to read my previous post, and show me where (point by point) I made an error in judgment or interpretation. I would be willing to listen.

but if all you want to do is attack with no basis but your opinion. I see no need to discuss further. because then it owuld not be a discussion. just your opinion vs mine with no discussion about why.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is the root of the discussion, and I am in total agreement with the astatement. The covenant was confirmed when Jesus was baptized, and God declared His as Messiah, saying ''This is my beloved son''. 3.5 yrs later He (Jesus) causes the sacrifices to cease becoming the ultimate, and final sacrifice for sins.

major problem.

the prince is not christ. but a prince who is to come,
he confirms this covenant AFTER the city is destroyed.


look at the sequence of events. Gabriel gives it in chronological order. not messed up order which would do nothing but confuse people. Unless you think gabriel is unlearned.

1. Messiah cut off (crucified)
2. Then city and temple destroyed
3. Then a prince confirms a covenant
4. Then he commits the abomination.

second. If you think Christ is the prince. You must think he committed the abomination. The fact Christ states, when you see him, "the one who commits the abomination" he declares he is not the prince'

third, Christ never entered the holy of hollies. Thus he had no chance to commit the abomination even if he wanted to.

lastly. saying Christ is the prince who confirms the covenant, and then in the middle of the week commits the abomination is to say christ would defile his own house.

(remember when he turned the money tables over and got angry, He claimed it was his house)

13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’[g] but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’"

why WOuld Christ do this. call it his house. then commit an abomination against his own house??”

if one actually opened up their eyes and hearts., they would see these things. and could not come to the conclusions you have made.

 

[Laodicea]

[FONT=&quot]The prophecy of the 70 weeks appears to be, in a literary sense, a[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]disorganized mumbo jumbo. Yet a careful study of the literary structure[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]reveals a beautiful symmetry. Notice in the following chart that the description alternates between the city and people on the one hand and Messiah the Prince on the other:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]City and People[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“Restore and build Jerusalem” (457 BC)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“seven weeks”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“the street shall be built again, and the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]wall, even in troublous times”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“the people of the Prince that shall come[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]shall destroy the city and the sanctuary[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and the end thereof shall be with a flood”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Messiah the Prince[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Messiah the Prince”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“threescore and two Weeks”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“after threescore and two weeks shall[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Messiah be cut off”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“He [the Prince] shall confirm the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]covenant with many for one week: and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]in the midst of the week he shall cause[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In verse 26, after Messiah was cut off, Jerusalem was destroyed. And in verse 27, Jerusalem was destroyed after the Prince caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease! [/FONT]

 

[Abiding]

EG ......memo.....Christ is sitting on Davids throne.

Acts 2:30-33
King James Version (KJV)
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

 

[Laodicea]

major problem.

the prince is not christ. but a prince who is to come,
he confirms this covenant AFTER the city is destroyed.


look at the sequence of events. Gabriel gives it in chronological order. not messed up order which would do nothing but confuse people. Unless you think gabriel is unlearned.

1. Messiah cut off (crucified)
2. Then city and temple destroyed
3. Then a prince confirms a covenant
4. Then he commits the abomination.

second. If you think Christ is the prince. You must think he committed the abomination. The fact Christ states, when you see him, "the one who commits the abomination" he declares he is not the prince'

third, Christ never entered the holy of hollies. Thus he had no chance to commit the abomination even if he wanted to.

lastly. saying Christ is the prince who confirms the covenant, and then in the middle of the week commits the abomination is to say christ would defile his own house.

(remember when he turned the money tables over and got angry, He claimed it was his house)

13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’[g] but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’"

why WOuld Christ do this. call it his house. then commit an abomination against his own house??”

if one actually opened up their eyes and hearts., they would see these things. and could not come to the conclusions you have made.

“And for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured out upon the desolate”
It must be noted that the prince is still the subject. It is the prince who makes Jerusalem
desolate. but as we saw in Jeremiah, God destroyed Jerusalem by the peoples choice.
We are now told what would happen as a result of the death of the Messiah: Jerusalem
was to be destroyed. The word “overspreading” is often translated “wings” in the Old
Testament. It is used, for example, to describe the invasion of Assyria into Israel (Isaiah
8:7-8). The picture is of a river which is at flood stage. When the river goes over its banks, it
spreads out its wings (see also, Nahum 1:8).

The word “abominations” here merits special attention because of its connection with
Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20. In Matthew 24:15-16 Jesus warned His disciples: “When ye
therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand), then let them which be in
Judaea flee to the mountains. . . .” Extremely important here is the appeal Jesus made to
the prophecy of Daniel 9:26-27. He explicitly tells us that the abomination of desolation
was spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

And what was this abomination of desolation? First let’s talk about the abomination. When the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem, they put their standards into the ground and worshiped them. The Roman standards had an eagle surrounded by a golden wreath.
Under the eagle and the wreath was a solar disk, which represented the sun-god Mithra.
Says Josephus about the order in which the Roman armies marched:
32

“Then came the ensigns encompassing the eagle, which is at the head of
every Roman legion, the king and the strongest of birds, which seems to
them a signal of domination, and an omen that they shall conquer all against
whom they march.” (Wars of the Jews, 3:6:2)

But what about the desolation? It is noteworthy that Daniel 9:27 employs the word
“desolate” two times. Jesus picked up on this when he said to the Jewish leaders as He left the temple: “Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.” (Matthew 23:38). Luke 21:20 explains that the abomination was an omen that the desolation of Jerusalem was near. In other words, the best translation of Matthew 24:15 is: “When ye therefore shall see the abomination which maketh desolate.” That is to say, the abominable standards of the Romans were a sign that the desolation of Jerusalem was at the doors.
As we compare Daniel 9:25-27 with the Gospels we can reach the following conclusions:

1. The abomination of desolation of Daniel 9:25-27 represents the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies in the year 70 A. D. This can be seen by the similarity in terminology between the Gospels and Daniel 9:26-27 (Matthew 23:28; Luke 21:20 compared with Matthew 24:15).

2. The reason for the destruction of Jerusalem was the rejection of the Messiah by the Jewish nation. This is true in Daniel 9:26-27 where twice the destruction of Jerusalem is spoken of as coming after the death of the Messiah. It is also true in Luke 19:41-44 (as well as other passages) where the destruction of Jerusalem is linked with the rejection of Jesus.

The expression “until the consummation” means “until the full end”. We have already found this word once before in verse 26. The root meaning of the Hebrew word kala (“consummation”) means “to bring a process to completion” or “to finish a process.” This means that when Jerusalem was destroyed, God was finished with the Jewish theocracy. Coupled with this idea of consummation is the expression “poured out.” The question is, What was poured out upon the desolate until the end?
The answer is, the wrath of God.

One cannot help but think of the analogous events of the book of Revelation. There, we are told that because of the iniquity in the world in the last days, God will pour out seven last plagues for in them the wrath of God is filled up. The expression “filled up” could very well be translated “consummated” or “complete.” In fact the Reina-Valera Spanish version uses the word “consumada.” Significantly, as soon as all the cups have been poured out, the words are heard from the heavenly temple, “It is done.” (Revelation 15:1; 17:17). Putting all these concepts together we have: The cup of the iniquity of the wicked will be filled to the brim (see Genesis 15:16)and then God will pour out upon them the plagues and these will bring to an end the wrath of God.

Noteworthy is the fact that in his indictment of the Jewish leaders, Jesus employed the symbolism of the cup: “Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.” (Matthew 23:32). In other words, there was no longer any room for mercy. When God poured out His wrath upon them He was finished with them. they drank the dregs of the wrath of God. For this reason the apostle Paul says that the wrath of God had fallen upon the Jews “to the uttermost.” (I Thessalonians 2:16).

At the end of verse 27 we find once again that this outpouring of the unmitigated wrath of God had already been determined beforehand. This is clearly indicated by the expression: “that determined shall be poured out upon the desolate.” This is clear evidence that even though the city and temple were destroyed in the year 70 A. D., the sentence had already been determined previously, in the year 34 A. D. It is common in the Bible for the door of mercy to close sometime before destruction falls. Two monumental examples are: The flood where the door of mercy closed seven days before the destruction of the world and the end of the world when the door of probation will close before the Second coming (Revelation 22:11-12).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG ......memo.....Christ is sitting on Davids throne.

Acts 2:30-33
King James Version (KJV)
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Abiding Memo.

I see no mention of Davids throne. I see Jesus sitting on HIS heavenly throne.

Thanks for trying though.

David wanted to build a temple. God said no. But he would after david is gone, have a descendant make him a house. (His son samual did this) and that eventually this house would stand a king which would rule. and davids people (isreal) would live in peace under this king.

Revelations shows the fulfillment of this when Christ returns to earth and rules for 1000 years. This is (and even was at the time it was written) a future event. The church had already been started and well established by this time. as well as Jesus had already sat on his heavenly throne. So niether of those things could be the fulfillment of said ceovenant with david. or the 1000 year kingdom.