The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

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DesiredHaven

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did i misread your post or did you and tinny forget this ? : >>

Matthew 2:1 Parallel Verses
New International Version
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

New Living Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking,

English Standard Version
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,

New American Standard Bible
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of King Herod, wise men from the east arrived unexpectedly in Jerusalem,

International Standard Version
After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea during the reign of King Herod, wise men arrived in Jerusalem from the east

NET Bible
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, in the time of King Herod, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now when Yeshua was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herodus the King, The Magi came from The East to Jerusalem.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea when Herod was king. After Jesus' birth wise men from the east arrived in Jerusalem.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

King James 2000 Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

American King James Version
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

American Standard Version
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, Wise-men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying,
Not sure what you are quoting me for here?

Where Jesus was born wasnt where Joseph fled with Mary and the child though, your quoting a difference verse Mat 2:1 not Mat 2:23
 
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#42
Aren't we all, tell the truth
we all once were --- read what is written in ephesians.... yes, everyone is to start with.... and most still are... only a few are not.

Not sure what you are quoting me for here?

Where Jesus was born wasnt where Joseph fled with Mary and the child though, your quoting a difference verse Mat 2:1 not Mat 2:23
i thought in the post meant jesus was born in nazareth...... that's all....
 
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DesiredHaven

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#43
i thought in the post meant jesus was born in nazareth...... that's all....
No problem at all, I just quoted the one scripture supposedly pertaining to the prophets regarding Jesus and Nazareth, however I still cant find that one its just in there, but that was where our Lord was conceived also (even though Mary and Joseph) come out of Nazareth and unto Bethlehem of Judaea where he was born and then when he was a young child Joseph fled with the both of them into Nazareth once again where he was brought up.

They traveled more then I ever did lol
 
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we all once were --- read what is written in ephesians.... yes, everyone is to start with.... and most still are... only a few are not.



i thought in the post meant jesus was born in nazareth...... that's all....
And still are? Yes
 
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Tintin

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#46
did i misread your post or did you and tinny forget this ? : >>

Matthew 2:1 Parallel Verses
New International Version
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

New Living Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking,

English Standard Version
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,

New American Standard Bible
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,

King James Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of King Herod, wise men from the east arrived unexpectedly in Jerusalem,

International Standard Version
After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea during the reign of King Herod, wise men arrived in Jerusalem from the east

NET Bible
After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, in the time of King Herod, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Now when Yeshua was born in Bethlehem of Judaea, in the days of Herodus the King, The Magi came from The East to Jerusalem.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea when Herod was king. After Jesus' birth wise men from the east arrived in Jerusalem.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

King James 2000 Bible
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

American King James Version
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

American Standard Version
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, Wise-men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying,
Yes, we're well-aware that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth, but your post just wasn't related to this question about the Cretans.
 
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#47
is that a question, or agreement ?

yes, most people are still liars. all over the earth, in chruch and out of chruch....

Then what shall we do? can we trust our self? Can we uphold the morals and standards of God? I thank God for the cross Just as Paul did.
 
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Galahad

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#48
That is where the Cretes or Cretians did dwell but they had their own prophets (who had words for them) with which Paul agreed.

If someone stated that Californians were all liars, evil beasts with slow bellies, would you not think it kind of rude (even stereotypical) to agree with that?
Paul isn't saying anything the Christians don't know about. He's not the author of it. He agrees with it. For him, it is a generalization. And now here is how he closes his letter:

Titus 3

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all.
 
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#49
get born again.

after that, thank God.

(no , you cannot trust yourself).

(not yet).

(no, you cannot uphold the morals and standards of God. not yet).

(no, you're not doing anything like paul did, no. not at all.)
Then what shall we do? can we trust our self? Can we uphold the morals and standards of God? I thank God for the cross Just as Paul did.
 
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DesiredHaven

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#50
What is speaking in ones haste concerning all men being liars?

Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

Whereas here this is a true witness concerning just Cretians

Titus 1:12...
The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.


 
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What is speaking in ones haste concerning all men being liars?

Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

Whereas here this is a true witness concerning just Cretians

Titus 1:12...
The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.


Amen and words mean everything when taken in context.......
 
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DesiredHaven

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#52
Paul isn't saying anything the Christians don't know about. He's not the author of it. He agrees with it. For him, it is a generalization. And now here is how he closes his letter:

Titus 3

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all.
You lost me because every letter has a "grace be with you" and a salutation or greetings with it.
 
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#54
what's the real question in the (first question) ? (in other words - what is the question bout for you?)

next, where is it written that the true witness is concerning JUST cretans? -- they were notorious liars even among liars, and worse in more ways ; that was evidenced and witnessed by many (in the link above that was posted in a post you 'thanked' or 'liked').


(first question)> What is speaking in ones haste concerning all men being liars?
Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.
Whereas here this is a true witness concerning just Cretians
Titus 1:12...
The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
 
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DesiredHaven

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#55
what's the real question in the (first question) ? (in other words - what is the question bout for you?)

next, where is it written that the true witness is concerning JUST cretans? -- they were notorious liars even among liars, and worse in more ways ; that was evidenced and witnessed by many (in the link above that was posted in a post you 'thanked' or 'liked').
I miss you alot John sorry, Im not following you.
 
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DesiredHaven

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#56
Its all good, I did get my answer earlier, Im done with the thread now, I will stop asking questions, thats a real bad habit of mine (sorry)
 
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What is speaking in ones haste concerning all men being liars?

Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.


"what is speaking in one's haste concerning all men being liars?"
this question. what is the question about ?
is the question just (simply) what does king david the man after yahweh's own heart mean by his statement ?

Whereas here this is a true witness concerning just Cretians
Titus 1:12...
The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
where is it written that this witness concerns ONLY cretans ? (and not others) ?
 
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Paul is quoting a Pagan poet who was a Cretan. That's the point of the quote. Its supposed to make a point about the human inability to understand.

Follow the logic:
If a Cretan says, "All Cretans are liars" we have 2 choices.
1. This Cretan is telling the truth, thus he is not a liar, and therefore has made a false statement.
2. This Cretan is lying, and in fact some Cretans are not liars, except for this one, and therefore he has made a false statement.

Read the context of Paul's usage of the Pagan's pronouncement and you will realize that Paul is calling his friend to remember that not all things are as they appear and to walk with his eyes open and not down cast.
 
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DesiredHaven

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The first was saying somethin admittedly in haste, concerning all men being liars, and second, a true witnesss that Paul agreed with that Cretans (specifically so) are always liars.

There are other things in the scriptures worded in a specific way that actually set up decent ground work for revelation, I try not to overthink it, that often ruins it. Although finding those two while looking at this is like coming out a little richer so these two will go into certain place where I can look at this again later.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Thanks for helping me guys