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And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
that talks about his body not his seven heads.
his body was a leopard and spanned the same area as the Medo-Persia empire. Its feet was the bear and consisted of the Greek empire and Greek mythology. our feet are clothed with the gospel of peace which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. Its mouth is Babylon and its false wonders and witchcraft and worldly demonic knowledge. then the dragon is the power behind the beast, Satan gives the Roman Empire his power, seat and authority.
that talks about his body not his seven heads.
his body was a leopard and spanned the same area as the Medo-Persia empire. Its feet was the bear and consisted of the Greek empire and Greek mythology. our feet are clothed with the gospel of peace which is the testimony of Jesus Christ. Its mouth is Babylon and its false wonders and witchcraft and worldly demonic knowledge. then the dragon is the power behind the beast, Satan gives the Roman Empire his power, seat and authority.
S
The time line really started with creation and will continue for 7 thousand years
2Th 2:1
¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus
Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
Nave
2Th 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit,
nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at
hand.
Paul tell us in these scriptures that we should not worry about the people
that say the the day of the lord is at hand. He is telling us, DON'T
believe that. The next verses tell us when to start looking for the day of the Lord.
2Th 2:3
¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition;
The falling away and the man of sin (commonly called the antichrist) must be reveled.
Perdition mean HELL. So this man is actually the son of hell
Re 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the
bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall
wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is
The beast (antichrist) you saw was (he lived), and is not (he died) and shall ascend from the
pit, rule (see next verse) and then return into perdition (hell)
2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or
that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
We can not to speculate as to when Christ is to return until these thing happen
Anti in the dictionary mean (opposed to something or against something)
Antichrist would actually mean opposed to Christ.
A
2Th 2:3
¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition;
relates to this...
Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
The Day of the Lord is talking about this...
Revelation 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition;
relates to this...
Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
The Day of the Lord is talking about this...
Revelation 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
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Hi AnandHya, been enjoying your work. 
Matthew 24
34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
then it tells you about the NEW Heaven and New Earth in the very next verse which is just amazing.
It says no one will know the day or the hour that Heaven and Earth will pass away and then talks about that
" 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven,[e] but My Father only.
Revelation 21
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
the parallels between Matthew 24 and Revelation is astounding
S
I think we see the day of the Lord as different events. to you if I understand correctly it is the Great White Throne Judgement.
I look at it as the gathering of his redeemed as listed in the below verses.
Mr 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great
power and glory.
Mr 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect
from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost
part of heaven.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be
with the Lord.
To me this is the day of the Lord and this happens before the 1000 year reign.
We do not always agree on the time some things will happen, but i feel sure that we believe
that they will happen.
I look at it as the gathering of his redeemed as listed in the below verses.
Mr 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great
power and glory.
Mr 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect
from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost
part of heaven.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with
them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be
with the Lord.
To me this is the day of the Lord and this happens before the 1000 year reign.
We do not always agree on the time some things will happen, but i feel sure that we believe
that they will happen.
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that's fine but that is not what 2 thess 2 is referring to. did you read chapter 1?
it talks about the JUDGEMENT that will be meted out on THAT DAY which is AFTER tribulation.
that doesn't happen until the great white Throne judgment when Jesus punish them with "everlasting destruction" by the second death of the brimstone fire.
your verses refer to something different.
it talks about the JUDGEMENT that will be meted out on THAT DAY which is AFTER tribulation.
that doesn't happen until the great white Throne judgment when Jesus punish them with "everlasting destruction" by the second death of the brimstone fire.
your verses refer to something different.
L
Revelation 17:9-10
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
If we put the prophecies together from Daniel 7 & 8, Rev 12 & 13 & 17 then the 7 heads are:-
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece
4) Pagan Rome
5) Papal Rome
6) 2nd Beast Rev 13
7) Beast from bottomless pit Rev 11 & 17
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
If we put the prophecies together from Daniel 7 & 8, Rev 12 & 13 & 17 then the 7 heads are:-
1) Babylon
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece
4) Pagan Rome
5) Papal Rome
6) 2nd Beast Rev 13
7) Beast from bottomless pit Rev 11 & 17
A
Mark 13 was fulfilled in JESUS generation. it relates to Revelation 12
this does not talk about the resurrection.
this does talk about the resurrection but does not say WHEN it will happen.
it is not fulfilled until with a Shout it is proclaimed and the NEW Jerusalem comes down out of heaven, because WHERE is Jesus now? :
Revelation 21
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”.....
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27
this does not talk about the resurrection.
this does talk about the resurrection but does not say WHEN it will happen.
it is not fulfilled until with a Shout it is proclaimed and the NEW Jerusalem comes down out of heaven, because WHERE is Jesus now? :
Revelation 21
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”.....
22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27
L
When it said 5 are fallen it could have been referring to a future time
The Chiastic Structure of Revelation
[FONT="]The book of Revelation is written as a chiasm. A chiasm is a double list of related items in which the order of the second list is opposite to the order of the first list.[/FONT]
[FONT="] If we divide Revelation at the end of chapter 14 into two halves, and then divide each half into separate divisions we can find related pairs of content. These pairs go in opposite directions. It is organized like a mirror image.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The book of Revelation is written as a chiasm. A chiasm is a double list of related items in which the order of the second list is opposite to the order of the first list. If we divide Revelation at the end of chapter 14 into two halves, and then divide each half into separate divisions we can find related pairs of content. These pairs go in opposite directions. It is organized like a mirror image. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The chiastic structure divides Revelation into two major groups. The first half deals primarily with the experience of God’s people during the Christian era. This is called the historical half. The second half deals almost exclusively with last day events and is called the eschatological half. The word eschatological” comes from the Greek word eschaton, meaning “end.” [/FONT]
[FONT="]The historical half covers all of human history. Therefore, it has not been completely fulfilled yet because not all of Christian history has happened yet. For example, the seventh seal, seventh trumpet, and final scene in the great controversy division are still waiting for their fulfillment.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The eschatological half is still to be fulfilled in the future. We can see the inspiration of God in this beautiful demonstration of literary art as well as the love of God who does everything He can to warn us and call us out of the false systems of this world into His marvelous truth.
[/FONT]The Chiastic Structure of Revelation | Seals, Millennium, Trumpets, Plagues
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The Chiastic Structure of Revelation
[FONT="]The book of Revelation is written as a chiasm. A chiasm is a double list of related items in which the order of the second list is opposite to the order of the first list.[/FONT]
[FONT="] If we divide Revelation at the end of chapter 14 into two halves, and then divide each half into separate divisions we can find related pairs of content. These pairs go in opposite directions. It is organized like a mirror image.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The book of Revelation is written as a chiasm. A chiasm is a double list of related items in which the order of the second list is opposite to the order of the first list. If we divide Revelation at the end of chapter 14 into two halves, and then divide each half into separate divisions we can find related pairs of content. These pairs go in opposite directions. It is organized like a mirror image. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The chiastic structure divides Revelation into two major groups. The first half deals primarily with the experience of God’s people during the Christian era. This is called the historical half. The second half deals almost exclusively with last day events and is called the eschatological half. The word eschatological” comes from the Greek word eschaton, meaning “end.” [/FONT]
[FONT="]The historical half covers all of human history. Therefore, it has not been completely fulfilled yet because not all of Christian history has happened yet. For example, the seventh seal, seventh trumpet, and final scene in the great controversy division are still waiting for their fulfillment.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The eschatological half is still to be fulfilled in the future. We can see the inspiration of God in this beautiful demonstration of literary art as well as the love of God who does everything He can to warn us and call us out of the false systems of this world into His marvelous truth.
[/FONT]The Chiastic Structure of Revelation | Seals, Millennium, Trumpets, Plagues
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interesting website, laocidea
The Chiastic Structure of Revelation | Seals, Millennium, Trumpets, Plagues
The Chiastic Structure of Revelation | Seals, Millennium, Trumpets, Plagues
R
Hello, I am a FORMER 15 yr long "Full or Hyperpreterist". I repented of that heresy in 2007. Because I have opposed not only the hyperpreterists themselves but also those who validate them, I am often under assault.
MAIN BELIEFS OF HYPERPRETERISM
Obviously, among the various factions and individual hyperprets there may be some that believe these things to a less or fuller degree but these are the main beliefs that cause them to be separate from historic Christianity.
HISTORY OF HYPERPRETERISM
Depending who you talk to, some people will claim different origins for this movement. For example, some opponents will claim it was invented by a Roman Catholic priest named Luis del Alcazar(Luis del Alcázar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) who in attempt to combat the Reformers claim that the Pope was the Anti-Christ, put forth the idea that most, if not all of the book of Revelation was fulfilled in the year AD70.
Otherwise, nothing like hyperpreterism existed within historic Christianity (despite the quote mining that is done by some hyperprets), until the 1800s. During the 1800s, more and more radically individualistic interpretations began to be put forth. The 1800s is where most of our modern cults come from (Mormons, JWs, "Church of Christ", Pentecostalism, and Hyperpreterism). During the 1800s, an anonymous author released a book called "The Parousia" (the Presence). It was barely received but a few years later was published again with the author's name; James Stuart Russell. This is perhaps the first fully hyperpret book, although Russell advocated for a yet future millennium. Again, hyperpreterism didn't make too many inroads into Christianity. In the 1970s, a "church of Christ" minister by the name of Max King published a completely hyperpret book called; "The Cross and the Parousia". Hyperpreterism began to ravage the coC denomination. The coC denomination has several articles against hyperpreterism you can find by googling "Kingism" or AD70 Doctrine; which is what they called it at the time.
King would eventually call his hyperpreterism; "Covenant Eschatology" and his son Tim King would later trademark a term called "Transmillennialism" -- both were simply hyperpreterism. During the 1990s, some Reformed Reconstructionists, mainly men like R.C. Sproul Sr, James Jordan, and Kenneth Gentry began to embrace a form of preterism. Eventually, since these men didn't take it as far as the hyperpreterists; they would be labeled "Partial-Preterists". To this day, most hyperpret leaders still hail from the coC denomination.
From the 1990s on, there have been many inroads of hyperpreterism into Reformed Christianity. It doesn't help that men like David Chilton (now deceased) actually adopted "full preterism". Or men like Gary DeMar will not call hyperpreterism a heresy and actually has spoken at "full preterist" conferences without distinguishing it as heretical or even error. There is even one supposed "Christian" seminary that not only had a known hyperpret helping develop student materials but as of present, knowingly enrolled a hyperpret leader to earn a "ministers" degree. To whom and what do they expect him to "minister"?
Want to know more? Check this out: The UnPreterist: Types of Preterists Reviewed
Or this 9 minute video:
The History Of Hyperpreterism - YouTube
MAIN BELIEFS OF HYPERPRETERISM
- Jesus already returned in the 1st-century.
- The general resurrection of the believers happened in the 1st-cent.
- The Judgment of the wicked and righteous happened in the 1st-cent.
- There will be no end of sin or of the planet earth.
Obviously, among the various factions and individual hyperprets there may be some that believe these things to a less or fuller degree but these are the main beliefs that cause them to be separate from historic Christianity.
HISTORY OF HYPERPRETERISM
Depending who you talk to, some people will claim different origins for this movement. For example, some opponents will claim it was invented by a Roman Catholic priest named Luis del Alcazar(Luis del Alcázar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) who in attempt to combat the Reformers claim that the Pope was the Anti-Christ, put forth the idea that most, if not all of the book of Revelation was fulfilled in the year AD70.
Otherwise, nothing like hyperpreterism existed within historic Christianity (despite the quote mining that is done by some hyperprets), until the 1800s. During the 1800s, more and more radically individualistic interpretations began to be put forth. The 1800s is where most of our modern cults come from (Mormons, JWs, "Church of Christ", Pentecostalism, and Hyperpreterism). During the 1800s, an anonymous author released a book called "The Parousia" (the Presence). It was barely received but a few years later was published again with the author's name; James Stuart Russell. This is perhaps the first fully hyperpret book, although Russell advocated for a yet future millennium. Again, hyperpreterism didn't make too many inroads into Christianity. In the 1970s, a "church of Christ" minister by the name of Max King published a completely hyperpret book called; "The Cross and the Parousia". Hyperpreterism began to ravage the coC denomination. The coC denomination has several articles against hyperpreterism you can find by googling "Kingism" or AD70 Doctrine; which is what they called it at the time.
King would eventually call his hyperpreterism; "Covenant Eschatology" and his son Tim King would later trademark a term called "Transmillennialism" -- both were simply hyperpreterism. During the 1990s, some Reformed Reconstructionists, mainly men like R.C. Sproul Sr, James Jordan, and Kenneth Gentry began to embrace a form of preterism. Eventually, since these men didn't take it as far as the hyperpreterists; they would be labeled "Partial-Preterists". To this day, most hyperpret leaders still hail from the coC denomination.
From the 1990s on, there have been many inroads of hyperpreterism into Reformed Christianity. It doesn't help that men like David Chilton (now deceased) actually adopted "full preterism". Or men like Gary DeMar will not call hyperpreterism a heresy and actually has spoken at "full preterist" conferences without distinguishing it as heretical or even error. There is even one supposed "Christian" seminary that not only had a known hyperpret helping develop student materials but as of present, knowingly enrolled a hyperpret leader to earn a "ministers" degree. To whom and what do they expect him to "minister"?
Want to know more? Check this out: The UnPreterist: Types of Preterists Reviewed
Or this 9 minute video:
The History Of Hyperpreterism - YouTube
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wikipedia on Preterism
The wikipedia entry on Preterism is highly biased as it was mainly written by hyperpreterist Virgil Vaduva who not only threatened to sue wikipedia if it didn't let him dictate the entry, but Vaduva actually attempted to trademark the word preterism -- see for yourself:
Talkreterism/Archive 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I wouldn't use anything from wikipedia in regards to preterism.
The wikipedia entry on Preterism is highly biased as it was mainly written by hyperpreterist Virgil Vaduva who not only threatened to sue wikipedia if it didn't let him dictate the entry, but Vaduva actually attempted to trademark the word preterism -- see for yourself:
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reterism/Archive 1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaLatest Status Info
I wouldn't use anything from wikipedia in regards to preterism.