The Deadly Doctrines of Preterism

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AnandaHya

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I've read the Bible countless times but it was just recently that Matthew 24: 34 really jumped out and showed me what was fulfilled within the generation Jesus was born and what was fulfilled later and what is left to be fulfilled upon Christ second return.

good point becauseHedied about how Jesus tells us again and again there will be no warning all we know is when we see signs it is near. People forget all ten brides were asleep when the cry went forth of the Bridegroom's coming. It was those who were prepared who made it to the banquet feast even though they all fell asleep.
 
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Ok but what about this part?
AnandaHya said:
and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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i see how you associated Matthew 24:29-30 with Revelation 12..

ill get back to you on this though.
 
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Matthew 24
and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

the only tribes I've ever heard of in the Bible is the twelve tribes of Israel, do you know of any other?

After the saints died for their witness to the Gospel, Jesus sent His angels to collect them and their spirits so that they might testify and cast out Satan and his angels/stars from heaven.

thus the connection with

Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

sorry I forgot to do the colors on the previous post and the time limit wouldn't let me edit it.

this is after the fifth seal was open:

Revelations 6

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

what you probably don't know is I believe that the Beast, the Whore, the False prohet have all been defeated and is not future prophecy but prophecy that has already been fulfilled.

I believe that Satan was bound, is now released and is sending Gog and Magog to gather the nations to fight God and His people and he is still sending his flood of lies.It is not the beast of the sea or the land that is spoken of in 2 Thessalonians but another of Satan messangers, another of his false apostles.

2 Thessalonians 2:7

For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Anyone notice that Jesus does not come down to Earth until Revelations 21 but appears in Heaven in Revelations 19 on a white horse and does battle from Heaven. He judges people on the White Throne in Heaven in Chapter 20 and does not descend to Earth until the NEW Earth and NEW Heaven are created and New Jereuselum comes down from Heaven to Earth? which does not happen until Satan is released and sends out Gog and Magog to deceive the nations and gather them for battle...

Yes Satan is gathering people to do battle but why do people think it is the battle in Revelation 19 and not Revelation 20?


Revelations 21

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

anyways i don't know how long this is but i'll just post it. lol.
 
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1still_waters said:
"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near." (Rev. 22:10)
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Apparently not for the thousand years.

We do not know for certain that Revelation is not establishing a standard by which we can judge what soon and near mean, because the language of Revelation 1:1 is all inclusive of the thousand years and what happens afterward. Now, we can assume that some events in Revelation were soon and near because they spoke of churches in that time. But I see absolutely no reason why I should automatically just assume that A, B and C all are soon and near but not D if A, B, C and D are all said to be "soon" and "near". See what I mean?

You might as well just say to me that the events a thousand years from now will happen soon, along with some other events. Now I, personally, feel that events a thousand years from now won't happen very soon, but I can't say that the other events will happen sooner. Why? Because there's absolutely no time frame for them whatsoever other than "soon" which is a time frame that has already been applied to events a thousand years from now.

So when "soon" and "near" are used, I take it to mean that the prophecies in the Book of Revelation started to unfold soon in human terms and that their unfolding is on-going. But I do not believe we can just assume that they've already happened or that they would happen all at once, especially because of the thousand years. So I take the "soon" and "near" to apply to when the events would start to unfold. In other words, the time is near for the prophecies to start to come to completion. However, it may not necessarily be near for all the prophecies to come to completion.
 
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because the angel showed John A and B and C and then said this before showing him D....

Revelation 4
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

now D is more complicated but we can walk through it.

Has this happened?

Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

yes or no?

have the events in Revelation 12 come to pass?

Do we have salvation or not?

taking 1260 days to be literal or figurative? the count start when "her Child was caught up to God and His throne"

"5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days."
 
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so if you take 1260 days literal after the ascension of Christ and read Acts and see what happens, with the Woman in the wilderness.... and a Jewish month is about 30 days...you get about 42 months

you have this unit of time of 42 months....do you think they are related?

Revelation 30

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[c] for forty-two months.
 
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AnandaHya said:
because the angel showed John A and B and C and then said this before showing him D....

Revelation 4
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

now D is more complicated but we can walk through it.

Has this happened?

Revelation 12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

yes or no?

have the events in Revelation 12 come to pass?

Do we have salvation or not?

taking 1260 days to be literal or figurative? the count start when "her Child was caught up to God and His throne"

"5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days."
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Depending on who you ask will depend on the answer you get but , from what I know in the Bible we are up to this verse.
Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12 has a symbolic dragon a symbolic woman with a symbolic crown of stars who stands on the moon clothed with the sun. There are alot of symbols in Revelation 12 so the 1260 days would also be symbolic.

 
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The book of Revelation has a very distinct time line from the time that the antichrist appears until the redeemed possess the new creation. We seem to try and make the book full of mysticism, types and shadows ,etc. There is a literal application to the book that makes it become real and understandable.
It is a long study but its there if you study it. Actually, it evens regresses in time to before the creation.

2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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Laodicea said:
Depending on who you ask will depend on the answer you get but , from what I know in the Bible we are up to this verse.
Revelation 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12 has a symbolic dragon a symbolic woman with a symbolic crown of stars who stands on the moon clothed with the sun. There are alot of symbols in Revelation 12 so the 1260 days would also be symbolic.
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From what I know in the Bible and in history we are up to this verse:

Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

we can walk through the fulfillment of Revelation 12 to 20 if you like.

what I don't get is how people who take Revelation 20 to be a literal 1000 years but take Revelation 12

1260 days of the Woman in the wilderness and 42 months of the Beast from the sea reign to be figurative.
 
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Who is Babylon spoke of in Revelation? who is the Great Harlot?

Well here are some clues:

Revelation 18
23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

Luke 11:49-51
New King James Version (NKJV)
49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

again it states that the generation that Jesus was born into will make atonement for the blood of the prophets they and their fathers spilt.

Babylon are the Pharisees and the earthly nation of Israel whom Jesus calls His people out of.

If you agree that Babylon is earthly Jerusalem we can continue, if not then read again these verses:

Matthew 23
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”[g]

Daniel 9
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.

70 AD the temple "your house" was destroyed and Jerusalem was left desolate.

now who destroys the Whore?

Revelation 17
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on[d] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
 
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sonnyd said:
The book of Revelation has a very distinct time line from the time that the antichrist appears until the redeemed possess the new creation. We seem to try and make the book full of mysticism, types and shadows ,etc. There is a literal application to the book that makes it become real and understandable.
It is a long study but its there if you study it. Actually, it evens regresses in time to before the creation.

2Ti 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth
not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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I agree. There is a timeline but that time line is determined by events - not distinctly marked off years. Otherwise it would not be said, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Otherwise people wouldn't be debating about what year certain events would take place. We can tell what events have come to completion by looking at history and then looking at the descriptions of said events - not by counting years.
 
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AnandaHya said:
Who is Babylon spoke of in Revelation? who is the Great Harlot?

Well here are some clues:

Revelation 18
23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

Luke 11:49-51
New King James Version (NKJV)
49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

again it states that the generation that Jesus was born into will make atonement for the blood of the prophets they and their fathers spilt.

Babylon are the Pharisees and the earthly nation of Israel whom Jesus calls His people out of.

If you agree that Babylon is earthly Jerusalem we can continue, if not then read again these verses:

Matthew 23
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”[g]

Daniel 9
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.

70 AD the temple "your house" was destroyed and Jerusalem was left desolate.

now who destroys the Whore?

Revelation 17
15 Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on[d] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
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This is the correct interpetation, thanks very kindly for posting. The Lord revealed this to me 2 years ago.
 
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TheAristocat said:
I agree. There is a timeline but that time line is determined by events - not distinctly marked off years. Otherwise it would not be said, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Otherwise people wouldn't be debating about what year certain events would take place. We can tell what events have come to completion by looking at history and then looking at the descriptions of said events - not by counting years.
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If you will notice, the time line I mentioned will begin when the antichrist appears. I make not mention of when our Lord will return nor when the end will come.

The tribulation period, 3 1/2 years, the wrath of God 3 1/2 years and the 1000 year reign are all exact time periods and they will come one after the other in that sequence.
 
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sonnyd said:
If you will notice, the time line I mentioned will begin when the antichrist appears. I make not mention of when our Lord will return nor when the end will come.

The tribulation period, 3 1/2 years, the wrath of God 3 1/2 years and the 1000 year reign are all exact time periods and they will come one after the other in that sequence.
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Bible verse please?

I've given you Bible verses that show the time line started with JESUS and His ascension in Revelations 12.

who are you referring to as the AntiChrist?

Satan, the Beast from the sea, the Beast from the Land?
 
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AnandaHya said:
From what I know in the Bible and in history we are up to this verse:

Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

we can walk through the fulfillment of Revelation 12 to 20 if you like.

what I don't get is how people who take Revelation 20 to be a literal 1000 years but take Revelation 12

1260 days of the Woman in the wilderness and 42 months of the Beast from the sea reign to be figurative.
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That is a good question and one that I had for quite some time until I found an answer. Here are some reasons:-

Reason 1
Revelation 12 is symbolic language while Revelation 20 is literal language. Look at Rev 12 and you will see alot of symbols while Rev 20 is literal.

Reason 2
The 1260 days is mentioned 7 times in Daniel and Revelation and is mentioned as time times and a half, 42 months and 1260 days. This is not a usual way to express time, it could have been mentioned as:-
James 5:17
(17) Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

This is the normal way to express time so this is two reasons why one is symbolic and one is not.
 
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sonnyd said:
If you will notice, the time line I mentioned will begin when the antichrist appears. I make not mention of when our Lord will return nor when the end will come.

The tribulation period, 3 1/2 years, the wrath of God 3 1/2 years and the 1000 year reign are all exact time periods and they will come one after the other in that sequence.
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How come there is so much to do about THE antichrist?

John said
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
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becausehedied said:
How come there is so much to do about THE antichrist?

John said
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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The antichrist was already working in the early church, he has been here for a long time and has done a good job to get people to believe that he is in the future so that he can continue to work unnoticed.
 
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Laodicea said:
That is a good question and one that I had for quite some time until I found an answer. Here are some reasons:-

Reason 1
Revelation 12 is symbolic language while Revelation 20 is literal language. Look at Rev 12 and you will see alot of symbols while Rev 20 is literal.

Reason 2
The 1260 days is mentioned 7 times in Daniel and Revelation and is mentioned as time times and a half, 42 months and 1260 days. This is not a usual way to express time, it could have been mentioned as:-
James 5:17
(17) Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

This is the normal way to express time so this is two reasons why one is symbolic and one is not.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(preterism)

The First Beast from the Sea is the Roman Empire, major head: Nero.

Revelation 13:7 speaks of the power given to the beast to make war with the saints. Nero was the first of the imperial authorities to persecute Christianity. Tacitus records the scene in Rome when the persecution of Christians (or Chrestians[4]) broke out: "And their death was aggravated with mockeries, insomuch that, wrapped in the hides of wild beasts, they were torn to pieces by dogs, or fastened to crosses to be set on fire, that when the darkness fell they might be burned to illuminate the night".[5]
Revelation 13:5 says the beast would continue for 42 months. The Neronic persecution was instituted in 64 AD and lasted until his death in June 68 AD, which is three and a half years, or 42 months. Nero was even called the Beast. Apollonius of Tyana specifically states that Nero was called a 'beast': "In my travels, which have been wider than ever man yet accomplished, I have seen man, many wild beasts of Arabia and India; but this beast, that is commonly called a Tyrant, I know not how many heads it has, nor if it be crooked of claw, and armed with horrible fangs. ... And of wild beasts you cannot say that they were ever known to eat their own mother, but Nero has gorged himself on this diet".[5]
The manner of Nero’s death corresponds with the prophecy of Revelation 13:10: "If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if any one kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed". According to Tertullian, Nero was the first to assail the Christian sect with the imperial sword. He committed suicide by the sword at the age of 30.
After Nero's death in 68 AD
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Vespasian is the one to come and the Emperor that destroyed the temple but who is the beast?

Revelation 17
7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[c]
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

The beast is the Roman Empire itself.

Nero was the Sixth Roman Emperor if you count Julius Caesar: Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Cauldis then Nero and Vespasian make up the seven heads.
 
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AnandaHya said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beast_(preterism)

The First Beast from the Sea is the Roman Empire, major head: Nero.



Vespasian is the one to come and the Emperor that destroyed the temple but who is the beast?

Revelation 17
7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[c]
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

The beast is the Roman Empire itself.

Nero was the Sixth Roman Emperor if you count Julius Caesar: Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Cauldis then Nero and Vespasian make up the seven heads.
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If you look at Rev 13:1, 2 it tells us who the heads are:-
Revelation 13:1-2
(1) And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
(2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

If you notice verse 2 it says leopard, bear and a lion. This is a reference to Daniel 7 and you will notice that Rev 13 is in the opposite order to Dan 7.

Daniel 7
Lion
Bear
Leopard
Dragon

Revelation 13
Dragon
Leopard
Bear
Lion

Revelation 13 is in the opposite order because Daniel is looking forward while John is looking back. So the first 4 heads are:
Babylon
Medo-Persia
Greece
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Laodicea said:
The antichrist was already working in the early church, he has been here for a long time and has done a good job to get people to believe that he is in the future so that he can continue to work unnoticed.
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Sorry for not completing what I was going to say.

That is actually my point, many are looking for THE antichrist. The book of Revelation does not even use the term. Not only that John defines who the antichrist is
 
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