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JaumeJ

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In my Hebrew study this morning, a very interesting and informative verse arose, and I believe for many it shows a great distinction between laws, commandments, statutes, and more. Keep in mind this is from the Old Testament.

2Ch 19:10 And what cause soever shall come to you of your brethren that dwell in their cities, between blood and blood, between law and commandment, statutes and judgments, ye shall even warn them that they trespass not against the LORD, and so wrath come upon you, and upon your brethren: this do, and ye shall not trespass.

It has always seemed clear to me that there is a distinction between laws and commandments or statutes and judgments, otherwise the same word would be used for all.

For me this is like lifting the blanket to expose the sheets, revealing that is.
 
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If we consider how it is then written in the New Testament


What accompanies the Keeping of the Commandments of Yahvah God:


Revelation 12

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
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Revelation 14


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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Old Testament

2 Kings 21

8Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them. 9But they hearkened not: and Manasseh seduced them to do more evil than did the nations whom the LORD destroyed before the children of Israel.
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If I say 'dont eat the food on your brother's plate'

If I say 'when you eat that food, your brother will starve and i will be displeased'

If I say 'love your brother'

If I say 'I know you are inclined to try it to see what happens and what you can get away with, but i promise you, it will be bad for you. You will feel guilt and sorrow'

If i say 'if your brother eats off your plate, forgive him, a multitude, nay, all times'.

You can see the forgiveness of God, yet the 'please, dont try it because I dont want to see you or your brother starving or hurt, or either of you at odds with each other'.

You can see the 'I dont wish you to suffer for the things you do, please listen to me and what you do will be beneficial for both of you'
 
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But 'the wicked' will have much 'turmoil' in 'receiving' these gifts.

Though they will eventually.
 
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To different people, law, statutes, commandments and judgements can be the very same thing.

To search for God's intent was what brought me into understanding of his fatherly nature.

And it's there for the taking, or the creation of turmoil.

But the turmoil is not God's doing.
 
RickShafer

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To me, it shows the carefullness; and watchfulness; of God's eye.
See, because He could have just said - watch that you don't break the law or commandments.
But He went one step further; He said: "see that you don't break the statutes or judgements" either!
The statutes and judgements were earthly, temporal, and not at all spiritual. - The 'statutes and 'political' judgements were completely material. These were the laws dealing with civil order.

For instance, 'make sure to tie up your ox, because if it gets lost, and ruins property or even hurts somebody, you will be requited for it.'
How else do you expect a just God to react? - -
The law, (the perfect law of God), was laid out before His people.
So He was just reminding them that they had to be on their P's and Q's.
But He knew some Oxen would brake their restraints and kill somebody; and God knew that people would fall short of simple loving kindness to their neighbor; so He gave them six cities of refuge.
__--_----_ --_ See the allegory here!
 
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in response to mediate and his philosophies.

There is no free lancing, you either accept all things written in the Holy Bible or you do not.
 
RickShafer

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Don't talk to Median like that loveme1; he understands that God is the one big turning "Love" wheel.
And we are all but buds on the ever growing flowers it spins off.
(I thing his is next to Hitler's).
"We'll all hold hands in the sunrise....and watch from the bottom of the sea." - That is what Mediate is saying.
 
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We servants ask what our Master would do that is where our heart is.
 
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psychomom

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Sometimes....telling someone the truth is loving...(actively loving)
even when it may seem otherwise. :)
 
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well in that case Rick!
Oh nevermind.
 
RickShafer

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Mediate is speaking of the brotherhood of mankind under the umbrella of their maker God.
He is not referencing Lucifer because he doesn't believe in true evil.
(As in a personhood of malevolence.)
He says.....stay as you are......in love.
He finds his redemption in the 'philos' - (brotherly) love of mankind to his/her other!.......
(Correct me if I'm wrong, Mediate.)
 
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:pIm getting the warm fuzzies
ty bringers of the warm fuzzies
 
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All the schmaltzy eastern religions speak of loving your neighbor.
None of them speak of evil. None of them mention why there is evil in the world.
It is all 'what comes from within oneself'.
I swear.......at least Jim Jones' followers could see him.
Just tell me Mediate,......Does a personified evil entity exist?
Or is it all in our heads........:confused:...........!!!!!
 
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oh i get this thread now JaumeJ puts up a topic to discuss
and well all add "the different" unrelated topics.
Then later we can look at our differences.

Brilliant!
 
JaumeJ

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RickShafer said:
To me, it shows the carefullness; and watchfulness; of God's eye.
See, because He could have just said - watch that you don't break the law or commandments.
But He went one step further; He said: "see that you don't break the statutes or judgements" either!
The statutes and judgements were earthly, temporal, and not at all spiritual. - The 'statutes and 'political' judgements were completely material. These were the laws dealing with civil order.

For instance, 'make sure to tie up your ox, because if it gets lost, and ruins property or even hurts somebody, you will be requited for it.'
How else do you expect a just God to react? - -
The law, (the perfect law of God), was laid out before His people.
So He was just reminding them that they had to be on their P's and Q's.
But He knew some Oxen would brake their restraints and kill somebody; and God knew that people would fall short of simple loving kindness to their neighbor; so He gave them six cities of refuge.
__--_----_ --_ See the allegory here!
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I love the advice, also about ox, that if someone finds his enemy's ox lost or injured he is to do all he can to help the ox and return it to his enemy. Perhaps in doing this they could become friends.

Many of the laws of behavior and morality are simply common sense to those in the grace of Yahweh, but it still bears study. There is definitely great wisdom in the Law, but some truly are to be ignored these days by the Example of Jesus, our Lord. Thanks for your share, and God bless you always...............
 
RickShafer

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Just answering Mediate........
The last survivor.

 
JaumeJ

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loveme1 said:
If we consider how it is then written in the New Testament


What accompanies the Keeping of the Commandments of Yahvah God:


Revelation 12




Revelation 14




Old Testament

2 Kings 21
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All I answer to here and now is the first part of your post. We know what to obey by the Teacher, His Example, and the Holy Spirit. God, Yahweh, IS Love, so unconditional love's logic should be sufficient in itself to know, however it seems it is not enough for many. I love the special Ten Commandments, now that I live in the grace of Yeshua. I also love to study those laws that used to terrify me, because of being freed of the punishment of the law, death. All of this was done just for me (and for you) on the cross on Golgotha. Praise Yeshua Mashiach, amen.................The law no longer frightens anyone in Jesus, amen.
 
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Abiding said:
oh i get this thread now JaumeJ puts up a topic to discuss
and well all add "the different" unrelated topics.
Then later we can look at our differences.

Brilliant!
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I think Jack probably understands that many threads move in that way,
and he's adult enough that he doesn't take it personally. :)
(sorry to speak for you Jack, and please correct me.)

But I love that you defend your brother, Abiding. :)
That really is 'warm fuzzies', at least, to my heart it is. ♥
 
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