The Differences

[Mediate]

Mediate is speaking of the brotherhood of mankind under the umbrella of their maker God.
He is not referencing Lucifer because he doesn't believe in true evil.
(As in a personhood of malevolence.)
He says.....stay as you are......in love.
He finds his redemption in the 'philos' - (brotherly) love of mankind to his/her other!.......
(Correct me if I'm wrong, Mediate.)

Not 'redemption', though almost Rick.

I believe in evil, of course, but people do nothing without a reason, even if it's a tiny one.

As far as 'my redemption', I believe I get it from the same place you do. The death of Jesus, and the revealing of the truth.

However, the truth is like a mirror, Rick. It fits the person looking at it.

One day it's gonna be unfaded. For everyone.

 

[Mediate]

An Rick, just so you know, the fact that you're now listening to me without condemning me to hell and telling me I'm wrong (albeit in the roundabout way that people sometimes, and usually, do), says a lot about the kind of 'spirit' you allow yourself to possess.

The truth comes against one's own vanity.

And I'm not saying you're vain, I'm saying we ALL are.

 

[Mediate]

EDIT: That tiny reason is in the eye of a mustard seed too.

 

[Mediate]

On the topic of lucifer: THink of Eve.

This is how I think of her: Deceived.

She committed the evil out of a doubt as tiny as a mustard seed.

SHE committed the act.

The angel can speak, but only the person can do the deed.

 

[Mediate]

And all deed starts with thought.

'Cut off your right arm'.

It's harder than it sounds.

But it is the INTENTION which matters.

Thoughts can flow in my mind,a nd sometimes hateful ones. So what do I do? I look inside. Become 'AN INWARD MAN'.

WHY DID I THINK THAT?

WHAT BENEFIT DO SUCH THINGS GIVE ME?

So that piece by piece, I begin to think in ways that benefit my own thought, therefore my own action, therefore my brothers and sisters.

It's tough, but my mind wasn't given to me for to have it wander wherever it likes.

The mind leads the body.

 

[Mediate]

Hold EVERY thought captive.

 

[RickShafer]

So you Do know there is a malevolent force that temps us.
That's a good first step for our continuing conversation.
...I don't hate you; or what you believe Mediate.
Let's reason together my friend.
My prayer is peace to you. - All the time.

 

[Mediate]

So you Do know there is a malevolent force that temps us.
That's a good first step for our continuing conversation.
...I don't hate you; or what you believe Mediate.
Let's reason together my friend.
My prayer is peace to you. - All the time.

Of course! But what I don't agree with is that protection from temptation comes simply from a profession of words.

God gave us minds, bodies, hearts, hands, eyes and feet and legs and arms for a reason.

People forget that we have the power, with reading God's word, to fight temptation in our own minds.

God doesn't always spoon feed me. I'm a man now.

I'm a child to God. I mean, come on, he's like a billion billion infinity times infinity years old, and I'm twenty-two ... I'll always be his child. A bit daft, a bit silly, a bit useless at times.

But I can properly say that throughout my whole life God has loved me, it was just PEOPLE who didn't.

Peace man.

 

[RickShafer]

So you believe in the one true Messiah?
He died for your sins, and the worlds.
But the action point as far as believing goes is that those thart believe
on His propitiation are saved.
Not that every murderer, raper, lier, or one who cleaves to money is saved.
Because if God equally gave heaven to the murderer and the victim; you see how He(God) wouldn't be just don't you?

 

[Mediate]

I can tell you, Death and Hades have no power after Christ's death.

But our sins will bve REVISITED UPON US.

Every murderer, liar, and rapist, again, does what they do, for a reason that suffices in their minds.

And every murderer, liar (Which we all are), and rapist, will have commited sin the same as every person commits sin.

And in their mirror, the truth will fit them accordingly.

 

[Mediate]

judged according to our deeds

 

[Mediate]

Let me ask you this, do you think Cain went to hell?

The price he paid was to be accursed on the earth. That any man who found him would want to kill him. Not unlike today's murderers.

And Cain asked for mercy. And God gave it to him. A mark wehreby anyone who saw him would not kill him.

 

[Mediate]

Being 'saved' is a loose term.

Saved from what?

I can say that every man will get to heaven and be judged according to his deeds on front of God

Not every man will hear Christ's message and be saved from what THE WORLD will inflict on them.

 

[RickShafer]

You see how the killer, dieing in his killing act can't partake of the same heaven as the meek who he killed don't you?
Not if he didn't repent and stop killing...you are smart, you have judgement in your 22 year old mind, you know...that is unfeasible.
You know that cannot logically happen,......right?

 

[Mediate]

Hence: He who believes (being active belief, a live of love) will be saved.

I assume ' SAVED FROM WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE UNKNOWN TO THEM'

 

[Mediate]

But camels go through the eyes of needles ...

What can't logically happen?

If a killer never hears it, how can he know it?

We all say that we are brought to salvation, moulded in Christ. But we have constant exposure to that which is beneficial for our growth.

 

[Mediate]

Another way of lookign at it, if the literal murderer explanation doesn't do it for you.

'He who hates his brother has committed murder in his heart'.

Now, we are all guilty of murder ...

So what about a tribe in Papua New Guinea, a man who hates his brother and has never heard of God?

I mean, all men are made equal .. and none can boast above another .. and christ died for the whole world ..

So tell me, do they go to hell?

 

[RickShafer]

Let me ask you this, do you think Cain went to hell?

The price he paid was to be accursed on the earth. That any man who found him would want to kill him. Not unlike today's murderers.

And Cain asked for mercy. And God gave it to him. A mark wehreby anyone who saw him would not kill him.

But you can't confuse the temporal punishment that the murderer Cain suffered in this life with his eternal judgement.
You are not claiming this realm is eternity are you?
Since it is temporal, that would be foolish to extend it to eternal.
You know better than that Mediate.
The very idea of mixing the temporal (material); with the eternal (spiritual) is utter folly.
You are not claiming that logical misstep are you?

 

[Mediate]

I believe after the resurrection of men, even the worst murderer's mirror will reveal something within them that they never knew they had.

God won't be killing people.

People will be 'killing' themselves.

'Sins upon us'.

' condemn themselves' ...

 

[Mediate]

But you can't confuse the temporal punishment that the murderer Cain suffered in this life with his eternal judgement.
You are not claiming this realm is eternity are you?
Since it is temporal, that would be foolish to extend it to eternal.
You know better than that Mediate.
The very idea of mixing the temporal (material); with the eternal (spiritual) is utter folly.
You are not claiming that logical misstep are you?

'what is bound on earth is bound in heaven'.

If God created man in the frame of time, for his actions to have consequence in heaven, then surely what is done on earth is eternal.