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Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here Lord Jesus says that both the body and soul will be destroyed completely in hell......
The English "destroy" derives from the Greek word apollumi, never defined as causing to cease to exist. It's a derivative of apolethros, a full destruction (annihilation)[FONT=&quot][/FONT].

Sinners need to understand the awfulness of sin, and the plan God has for those who defy Him. That scripture reference must never contradict other scriptures describing all this.
 
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Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here Lord Jesus says that both the body and soul will be destroyed completely in hell......
The soul is not the spirit.
 
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I believe why most hold to ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) is because they do not understand that the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in the Bible.

Take Revelation 14:11 KJV as an example.
Should the English words "for ever" (or "forever") be read literally meaning an endless state?

Well, I heard a pastor once say that the best way to interpret the Bible is to let the Bible do the interpreting for you. What I am I talking about? Well, the Bible tells us that the phrase "smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever" is a metaphorical phrase from Isaiah 34:10 KJV which says that the smoke of Edom went up forever and ever. Yet is the city of Edom burning today? No, of course not. So we then realize that this phrase is speaking metaphorically.

In other words, the word "forever" (and it's related words) does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can have a temporal sense. For what do you make of the following verses below that say that "forever" (or it's related words) is not forever?

• In Gen.13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.

• The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Ex.12:24; 27:21; 28:43).

• Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezek.16:53-55).

• Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jer.30:12) until -- the Lord "will restore health" and heal her wounds (Jer.30:17).

• The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Mic.1:9) until -- Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ez.16:53).

• Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no more" (Zeph.2:9, Jer.25:27 until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jer.49:6).

• An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation "forever" until -- the tenth generation (Deut.23:3):

• Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were "everlasting" until -- they "were shattered" Hab.33:6).

• The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting" priesthood (Ex.40:15), that is-until-it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Heb.7:14-18).

• Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings 8:13), until -- the Temple was destroyed.

• The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16)-until -- Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for the people of God (Heb. 4:8,9).

• The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant" (Lev.24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Cor. 3:11,13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

• The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a "perpetual" until -- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins.
Hell. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Lev. 6:12-13, Heb. 8:6-13).

• God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6,10; 1: 17); Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jer.25:27) until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of Egypt" (Ez.29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam" (Jer.49:39).

• "Moab is destroyed" (Jer.48:4, 42) until--the Lord "will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jer.48:47).

• Israel's judgment lasts "forever" until -- the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isa.32:13-15).

• The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bond slave was to serve his master "forever" (Exodus 21:6), until -- his death.

• “Eternal” (Greek aionia, αιονια) is sometimes used of a limited (not endless) period of time. But the most common use is illustrated in II Cor.4:18 where it is contrasted with “temporal” and in Philemon 15 where it is contrasted with “for a while.”


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"The Real Hell (Torment not Torture) Conditionalism View"
(A Quick Overview):

What is the Conditional View of Hell? Well, the Lake of Fire is eternal; But the amount of time they spend in the Lake of Fire depends on the degree of sin that they have committed here in this life. In other words, once they serve their time in the Lake of Fire (according to the type of sins they committed) the soul and spirit body will be destroyed within the Lake of Fire. For Jesus said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28). Hell here is translated as "geenna" γέεννα. Which is a reference to the Lake of Fire.

So the punishment has eternal consequences where the soul and spirit body are eventually destroyed or put to ruin. For it is everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46) --- Not everlasting punishing.

I used to believe in Eternal Torment. The key verse in my turning point was in properly understanding Revelation 14:11. The passage says, "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name." What is this smoke of torment that goes up forever and ever? Well, the Bible tells us that it is a metaphorical phrase because Isaiah 34:10 says that the smoke of Edom went up forever and ever. Yet Edom is not burning today. So we then realize that this phrase is speaking metaphorically.

Yeah, but what about Luke 16:19-31? Well, when the Rich-man went to Torments (Hell or Hades), he was not actually being burned by any flames. In Luke 16:24, the Rich-man was referring to the fact about how he was tormented in the flame that was in front of him that was in the gulf that was between him and Abraham (Sort of like if I said I am happy in this car --- yet the car is in front of me). (Similar language like this can be found with the words "in these" in Isaiah 57:6 KJV). It was the heat of the flame that made him uncomfortable or tormented. For although I am open to understanding otherwise according to Scripture, I currently do not believe he was in extreme physical pain or torture. For if the Rich-man was engulfed by entire flames --- he wouldn't be asking for a little water to cool his tongue, he would be asking for a giant barrel of water or lots of buckets of water to lower the flame or to put it out.

In fact, the key is to always look at cross references so as to best understand Scripture. The cross reference for Luke 16:19-31 is Genesis 18:22-33 and Genesis 19:27-28.

Here are the chapters in the King James:

KJV:
Luke 16 KJV
Genesis 18 KJV
Genesis 19 KJV

And here are the chapters in the New Language Translation (NLT):

NLT:
Luke 16 NLT
Genesis 18 NLT
Genesis 19 NLT

Anyways, if you were to read these chapters, you would discover in Genesis 19 that Abraham looked at the billowing smoke from Sodom. When looking at all of Scripture, one can easily conclude that Abraham simply wanted to know what happened to this city because he was worried that Lot might have perished there. For Abraham might have learned later about how Lot made it to safety, but we get no indication within the text that Abraham knew that Lot was okay or safe. So I imagine it tormented Abraham a little in seeing that smoke. For he pleaded with God to spare the city (no doubt for Lot's sake). In fact, I imagine he pictured a fire in his mind where the smoke was coming from the city. But now in the New Testament, Abraham had knowledge as to why he and a righteous man named Lazarus was in Paradise (a Heaven like compartment in the realm of the dead) and he had knowledge as to why the Rich-man was in Hades or Torments. Abraham now looked at an actual real flame and had the understanding. Whereas the Rich-man looked at the flame on the other side and was tormented by it's heat and by the fact that it reminded him of the upcoming Lake of Fire. Both men (Abraham and the Rich-man were tormented by a fire) but each of them had two entirely different experiences concerning that fire which was in front of them.

In addition, another parallel I recently noticed between Lazarus and the Rich Man account (Luke 16:19-31) and Genesis 18 is that both Abraham's story in Genesis 18-19 and the Rich Man's story begin with their eyes being lifted up.

Abraham:

"And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, ..."
(Genesis 18:1-2)


Rich Man:

"...the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, ..."
(Luke 16:22-23)


In other words, this above example is trying to tell us that the two stories are tied together in order to give us an important message. What is that message? Well, I believe both stories are trying to tell us that God is fair and just in His Judgments. For

"Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
(Genesis 18:25) (cf. Luke 16:25).
 
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As for the devil and the false prophet being tormented forever in Revelation 20:10 :

Well, as I already mentioned above, the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in the Bible. Forever in Revelation 20:10 it is a colorful expression of strong emotion for the totality of the devil's allotted time of punishment. It is a strong expression of emotion of totality. Sort of like how a man might say to his wife in love, "I am your husband forever." However, she knows he won't be her husband forever because he knows death will separate them as husband and wife in the future. But what evidence is there that Satan will perish in the Lake of Fire with everyone else?

Well, you may or may not know this, but Isaiah 14:12-20 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 are well known verses amongst Christians that talk about the devil. They are passages that describe both the devil and the evil rulers who were living during that time. Anyways, Ezekiel 28:18 says that the fire will devour the devil and he will be brought to ashes. Isaiah 14:19 says the devil's carcase will be trodden under foot. Meaning he will be nothing but a charred up corpse or a destroyed spiritual body.

In any event, I hope that what I said here has comforted you. But please do not take my word for it. Search the Scriptures for yourself and pray over them and double check it for yourself. Let the Lord guide you into all truth by asking Him (Jeremiah 33:3).

Anyways, may God bless you all.
And may you seek His love and peace this fine day.
 
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I believe why most hold to ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) is because they do not understand that the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in the Bible.

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But, sometimes "for ever and ever" means eternal literally. Compare these two verses.
Revelation 20:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



Revelation 22:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.



Both are from Greek eis + aion + aion into/to/unto ever/age/ ever/age
into age age
for ages

John followed that with Revelation 22:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.


Being true, I consider Rev 22:5. How long will God's throne be there? Eternally. Ages of ages. Perpetually.

Who are "they" who reign for ever and ever? The redeemed.
Revelation 22:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.


Assuming we can accept that as literal truth, how can it be that "for ever and ever" in Rev 20:10 can not mean the same, in perpetuity, for ever and ever? It's inconceivable that Satan would ever be set free to resume his evil, there being not a hint he could repent. Eternal punishment for Satan is directly described as also to be shared by the children of the devil.
 

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Biblically, human spirits are immortal, and do not cease to exist.
not so, that is Plato talking simple Greek mythology. the bible does not teach and immortal spirit or soul.
 
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But, sometimes "for ever and ever" means eternal literally. Compare these two verses.
Revelation 20:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.



Revelation 22:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.



Both are from Greek eis + aion + aion into/to/unto ever/age/ ever/age
into age age
for ages

John followed that with Revelation 22:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.


Being true, I consider Rev 22:5. How long will God's throne be there? Eternally. Ages of ages. Perpetually.

Who are "they" who reign for ever and ever? The redeemed.
Revelation 22:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.


Assuming we can accept that as literal truth, how can it be that "for ever and ever" in Rev 20:10 can not mean the same, in perpetuity, for ever and ever? It's inconceivable that Satan would ever be set free to resume his evil, there being not a hint he could repent. Eternal punishment for Satan is directly described as also to be shared by the children of the devil.
Again, it's a metaphorical expression, like when a husband or wife says they want to be their mate or partner forever and ever. It's an expression of totality or completeness.

You are not looking at the verses I listed.

Let's take the most important one in focus that I mentioned that is in relation to the passages in Revelation 20 and Revelation 22.

Isaiah 34:10
"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

The above passsage is talking about Edom. It says the smoke thereof ascends up forever. Is the smoke of Edom ascending up forever? No. I don't see any cities smoking continually today. It then says, none shall pass through it.... for ever and ever. This statement doesn't make any sense because even if you were to claim that there is a region on the Earth that nobody has passed thru for ever and ever, this place will no longer exist when this current world passes away --- Giving way to the Eternal New Earth. Meaning, this world will not exist at some point in the future. For Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but His Words shall not pass away. So you can't say no one will pass thru it forever and ever because it will be a place that will no longer exist anymore.

Still not convinced?

Let's look at another passage.

Psalm 119:44
"So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever."

So does this mean that the Psalmist (i.e. the writer of this Psalm) is going to continually keep the Law of Moses forever and ever?

For the Law of Moses was in effect during the time of the writing of this Psalm.
 
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Besides, if you were to claim literalism on these verses in Revelation, you would then have a contradiction in the Bible if you were to claim literalism on the passages that talk about the devil.

For Isaiah 14:12-20 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 are well known verses amongst Christians that talk about the devil. They are passages that describe both the devil and the evil rulers who were living during that time. For Ezekiel 28:18 says that the fire will devour the devil and he will be brought to ashes. Isaiah 14:19 says the devil's carcase will be trodden under foot. Meaning he will be nothing but a charred up corpse or a destroyed spiritual body. So are these passages read literally or metaphorically? If you desire to read Isaiah and Ezekiel as metaphorical, then why? Is it because of a doctrine you believe or is that what the text is clearly saying here? For I get no indication that the devil being brought to ashes is metaphorical. The text does not imply that.
 
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We have an example of it in Lk 8:55.
Luk 8:55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.

This is only an example in your mind because of your preconceived Idea of what the Spirit is.

Its your view of what spirit means that is platonic philosophy.

This is the same spirit that goes to God when we die,

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Spirit means: breath, air etc.

where did God give it?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

so dust + breath/spirit = living soul.

death = dust - spirit.

Now did Adam Exist before God created Him? no so then he was not some living spirit that suddenly got a body at creation.

Hence the little girl simply received that essential element that God gives that allows her to live again.

Greek philosophy introduced the idea of the immortal soul or spirit. and People apply it to vague scriptures without letting the whole bible speak for itself.



That girl was not up in heaven or paradise then suddenly pulled back to her earthly body. she was dead, gone until Jesus restored here life by his own breath/spirit.

blessings.
 
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Luk 8:55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.

This is only an example in your mind because of your preconceived Idea of what the Spirit is.

Its your view of what spirit means that is platonic philosophy.
Don't think so.

This is the same spirit that goes to God when we die,

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Spirit means: breath, air etc.
That's one of many Scriptural meanings. It is also the

1) the "unclothed" disembodied man (Heb 12:23; 2Co 5:3-4; Lk 24:37, 39; 1Pe 4:6),
2) the immaterial, invisible part of man which returns to God (Lk 8:55; Ac 7:59; 1Co 5:5; Jas 2:26),
3) the sentient element in man (Mt 5:3, 26:41; Mk 2:8; Lk 1:47, 80; Ac 17:16, 20:22;
1Co 2:11, 5:3-4, 14:4, 15; 2Co 7:1),
4) purpose or aim (2Co 12:18; Php 1:27; Eph 4:23),
5) equivalent of the person (1Co 16:18; 2Tim 4:22; 2Co 7:13),
6) person of the Holy Spirit (Mt 4:1),
and at least a half dozen or so more.

The first two Biblical meanings refer to living immortal spirits, as does the sixth.
 
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not so, that is Plato talking simple Greek mythology. the bible does not teach and immortal spirit or soul.
Assuming "you" will go to heaven if redeemed by the Lord, which part of you makes it? 1 Thessalonians 5:23 (KJV)
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And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I, a Christian, am promised a glorified body, one connected to the body of material flesh that dies and is buried in the earth. Jesus manifested such a body after death of the earthly body.

Paul has described separations of body and soul from the body, and spirit from all. Forget Plato. Plato has nothing to contribute to eternal life. He pledged soul to soul, mind to mind, pure philosophy which God has warned to avoid. That one of many things to purge from my own mind. It is God's will that the entirety of each believer be preserved. The Redeemed of God identified as surviving the last days in Revelation are "us" saved in Christ, there in some manner already described in the Bible as eligible to be there ruling for ever.

According to annihilates, not one resemblance of man on earth saved in Christ will be in existence beyond death of the body, neither one "person" without Christ in them. That philosophy is birthed in the doctrine of evolution of man from animals. It is devilish.

The Bible doesn't teach that.


When Jesus the Christ of God returns, will He claim bodiless, soul-less, spirit-less beings for eternal cohabitation?

That would not be logical even to Plato.
 
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Again, it's a metaphorical expression, like when a husband or wife says they want to be their mate or partner forever and ever. It's an expression of totality or completeness.
Metaphor of what that is consistent with all of scriptures?

Totality and completeness in the New Testament is applied to completeness in Christ.

Biblical metaphors must never contradict scriptures, else the interpretation of a metaphor be faulty, not the metaphor. If what is perceived as a metaphor is not true to all truth around it, then it is not a metaphor.
 
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Luk 8:55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat.

This is only an example in your mind because of your preconceived Idea of what the Spirit is.

Its your view of what spirit means that is platonic philosophy.

This is the same spirit that goes to God when we die,

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Spirit means: breath, air etc.

where did God give it?

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

so dust + breath/spirit = living soul.

death = dust - spirit.

Now did Adam Exist before God created Him? no so then he was not some living spirit that suddenly got a body at creation.

Hence the little girl simply received that essential element that God gives that allows her to live again.

Greek philosophy introduced the idea of the immortal soul or spirit. and People apply it to vague scriptures without letting the whole bible speak for itself.



That girl was not up in heaven or paradise then suddenly pulled back to her earthly body. she was dead, gone until Jesus restored here life by his own breath/spirit.

blessings.
It appears you have not discerned soul (mind) from spirit. Furthermore, nobody can properly express Platonic philosophy without referring to Plato. Philosophy is not universal, but exists in like-minded minds. It is a subjective pattern of thought, not associated with creative thought. Only the creator of "a" philosophical concept can be considered the "creator" of it. All others are followers or rejectors, but only of those submitting to study of that philosophy.

Therefore your entire premise is flawed from the beginning.
 
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Besides, if you were to claim literalism on these verses in Revelation, you would then have a contradiction in the Bible if you were to claim literalism on the passages that talk about the devil.

For Isaiah 14:12-20 and Ezekiel 28:11-19 are well known verses amongst Christians that talk about the devil. They are passages that describe both the devil and the evil rulers who were living during that time. For Ezekiel 28:18 says that the fire will devour the devil and he will be brought to ashes. Isaiah 14:19 says the devil's carcase will be trodden under foot. Meaning he will be nothing but a charred up corpse or a destroyed spiritual body. So are these passages read literally or metaphorically? If you desire to read Isaiah and Ezekiel as metaphorical, then why? Is it because of a doctrine you believe or is that what the text is clearly saying here? For I get no indication that the devil being brought to ashes is metaphorical. The text does not imply that.
Verse 19 had to do specifically with the Antichrist. The prophesy has a dual and triple applciation not only to the earthly kings, but to the triune team of the Devil.
 
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Besides, if you were to claim literalism on these verses in Revelation, you would then have a contradiction in the Bible if you were to claim literalism on the passages that talk about the devil.
Would you go down on record with God what such statements are not to be taken as literal, yet John who saw those things, heard those things, attested that they are truth? How can truth be cloaked in debatable metaphors and still be truth?

Until the word of God plainly identifies a doctrinal statement as a metaphor of the truth, it must be taken as a literal truth. What followed the revelation from Christ to John? Some extra-biblical writing?
 
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We have an example of it in Lk 8:55.
I believe our souls and spirits live on for a time temporarily when our bodies die. Lazarus and rich man; And the dead saints crying out for vengeance at the fifth seal are two examples of folks being conscious after they die. I just don't think the wicked's soul or the spirit is immortal, though. How so?

Well, first, Scripture says the wicked will be destroyed.

  • Matthew 10:28-Rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
  • James 4:12-There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy.
  • Philippians 3:19-Whose end is destruction.
  • 2 Thessalonians 1:9-Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.
  • Hebrews 10:39-But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition. (Greek: destruction)

Second, the 2nd death (Lake of Fire) could not mean eternal torment because it is linked to the first death. The numerical values "first" and "second" show that they are related terms and therefore the deaths must be related too. In the first death, the body stops functioning. In the second death, the body and soul stop functioning forever. They are both destroyed.

Third, Scripture clearly states that Adam and Eve lost the chance at immortality in their natural state.

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:" (Genesis 3:22)

In other words, if Adam and Eve would have eaten of the tree of life in their sinful state–that would have been a disaster. They would then have immortality ("live forever") in their sinful state. Therefore, God put a guard there to make sure they would not become immortal in this state.

"So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life." (Genesis 3:24).

It is clear as a bell that God did not want them to live forever as sinners. He specifically stopped it from happening by placing angels and a flaming sword there to block the way. It is only by believing in Yeshua (Jesus) that mankind has another chance at immortality.

"...and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel..." (2 Timothy 1:10).

It will be on Resurrection day that believers only will put on immortality.

"...this mortal must put on immortality." (1 Corinthians 15:53).

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever." John 6:51.

"To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" (Romans 2:7)

"I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)




Source:
Believe What the Jewish Apostles Taught -- Why Conditional Immortality Is True and Biblical
(Note: Not all views or believes expressed by this author are a reflection of my own; Especially their false belief on soul sleep; However, their teaching on the Conditional View of Hell is correct, though).
 
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Why sugar coat the fact? The wicked soul and spirit is biblically associated with "for ever and ever" alongside the Devil and his destiny. So why believe to the contrary?

The dead ought to realize the truth of their destiny now while they can still make amends through Christ. Other wise they are left holding the theory of the Devil that when dead, they are dead like a dog or worm.

If some Christians dilute the truth, some will hold the blood of the lost in their own hands. Not so with me.
 
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So as any true person who studies scripture and desires to know and the learn the truth from God you have to be open minded and be a teachable child and have to be willing to not just throw down what you thought you knew but be willing to accept what you don't want to believe.

The debate on eternal damnation has popped up here and there lately, many say that a loving father such as God would never make someone suffer for eternity. I myself did not want to believe this and I still don't, I do not wish that any person would have to endure the fires of all for all eternity but I also understand that just because I don't want to believe it just because it doesn't seem right or fair to me doesn't matter for out thoughts are not his thoughts and he is a righteous and fair God.

True enough he is a very loving father but he is not a tame God he does have a righteous anger and judgement. He is not a teddy bear and is to be feared as well as adored. I was reading mathew today not even sure what I was looking for when I came across mathew 25:45-46 which states: then he will answer them saying assuredly I say to you in as much as you did not do it unto the least of these you did not do it to me and these will go away into everlasting punishment but the righteous into eternal life. The word everlasting caught my attention and I said to myself well the nkjv says everlasting I wonder what the niv says? and the niv said eternal and the new living translation also says eternal. but I never make my interpretation from one scripture alone so I searched the rest of the word and here is what I found concerning the matter.

Daniel 12:1-2

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” . . . Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


2 Thessalonians 1:5-10

This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.


Jude 7

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.


So As I read and found these the scriptures appear to be very clear on an eternal fire or eternal suffering or eternal punishment, and I read from different translations and they all say the same thing. So yes I know it seems unfair to some I know that to some they cannot see a loving Father who throws ppl into eternal fire and sadly it is this very subject that repels many ppl from following God and even turns some into an atheist but we also have to remember that there are many things we do not and may never understand about God. Yes he is a very tender and loving God but at the same time is a mighty God who hates sin and judges with a fair righteous and mighty hammer. As I said before he is not a teddy bear and is not a tame God

Hi Blain,

I'm glad to hear that you spoke of being open minded and teachable because the Scriptures "don't" teach that God burns people forever. The error is in the translation, many modern commentaries and dictionaries wrongly translate the words "Owlam" and "Aionios" as forever and they don't mean forever. You posted the passage from Jude that says Sodom and Gomorrah are examples of eternal fire and yet those two cities are not still burning today, thus what is translated as eternal fire is not eternal. I've studied this topic for over a year and have looked at many passages of Scripture. I'd be happy to discuss the subject with you if you'd like. Also if you are serious about studying this topic let me recommend and excellent audio series on this subject that goes into great depth. There are 25 audios probably about 45 mins average so it will take some time to get through the study, however, you will receive great insight. Also, I can probably answer any questions you'll have as I've studied this quite extensively. Here is the link.

Hell? NO!