The doctrine I don't want to believe-eternal fire

[Jackson123]

I have only had one full out vision and that was me ascending toward Jesus which I later on learned was the rapture. God gives me dreams mostly and most of them are rapture dreams or him showing me a future event like when I saw the tribulation. But satan also has given me dreams and has attacked me in them, sent demons to rip me to shreds or attack me one of them even cut off my arms and the cut off my head and in one of them satan himself was strangling me saying to me I am not strong enough and I was blazing with a mighty fire fighting back which I am 100% certain it was the holy spirit and this is when he said I wasn't strong enough but the fire only grew in intensity and became so strong it jolted me awake still feeling the power of the fire for a second or two.

Brother, I believe the Lord really love you. He give you strength in the form of dream and visions.

I am indonesian, I heard a lot of testimonies in youtobe about dream and visions. It happen to people like you, People that have suffer a lot in they live.

It happen in a new convert from Islam. They are the suffering people, because some of them ostracized from the family.

If they grown up it is easy just find a job. But for some is not that easy. Some of them run, without eat for several day.

Why they stick out, I heard some of them stick out not for his own strength. When they almost give up, Visions and dream give them comfort. I like to read your testimonies brother.

 

[Joidevivre]

Blain, why don't you just keep your visions and dreams private? We don't need your dreams/visions to tell us anything. Everything we need to know is in the scriptures.

If it is from the Lord, it is just for you and never brings confusion. Usually the meaning will be clearly given to you from the Lord Himself. You don't need to share them to gain understanding.

Let your experiences be just between you and the Lord. Most of us do.

 

[Angela53510]

Unless ppl experienced what I experienced they can never know for sure if my visions are visions they can only assume or make an educated guess. and as for my opinions I am still a growing Christian I make mistakes and I am constantly working on it but I can only grow so much in so much time. I do take advice from ppl and I do recieve correction but I make sure to take it from the right ppl who I know to listen to. For instance Angela is very educated in the scriptures but she tends to attack me and say mean things so I take some of her words to heart but I tend to listen more to ppl with a more patient and loving heart.

The thing about forums is ppl speak their hearts a lot and say things to ppl they normally wouldn't say to them face to face because we are protected behind a computer screen. I do have a lot of growing to do and I am not afraid to speak my heart which sadly is a blessing and a curse because my heart is still immature imperfect and weak however have you ever once seen me attack someone? I always make it a point to preach on love, to encourage others and if someone is being mean to another if I see it I make sure to let them know we Christians are called to be love.

I do the best I can and I grow as fast as i can and I hold no ill feelings to any of you even for those who were not exactly nice but you also have to realize I am still a babe in Christ only two years and am still very immature so you need to try to take it easy on me and not hold me as accountable as a person who is mature in faith. I will continue to try my best to grow and mature but I need time

Blain, this is exactly the point! You are a young Christian. We are trying very hard to tell you that until you know the Bible well, and can actually check it against your "dreams and visions" you really should not be posting them.

I have encouraged you and others to stop posting things which are not biblical, especially in this forum. Really, God has probably spoken to most in this forum. But God speaks to us through his Word. Anything else is just some kind of experiential knowledge, and like you say, we cannot experience what you have experienced. And therefore, no matter what you say, it holds no truth for us!

But we can check every word against the Bible. The trouble is, you don't like to reveal your whole dream of vision, which is kind of side-stepping accountability. And I have tried very hard not to say "mean" things, but rather to encourage you not to be so imaginative, but rather study the Word of God to show yourself a "worker approved."

You did start off this thread with a lot of Scriptures. But you primarily used them to support your visions. It needs to be the other way around. You need to use the Scripture to discuss doctrine, and not even mention your fantastical visions, which it has been pointed out might be just hallucinations.

When you become mature, I think these elementary ideas of personal revelation will fade away, and you will be content to know and follow God's Word.

Of course, it is a growing process. So rather than starting with a vision and some Bible verses, start with the Bible verses, and keep to them, throughout the thread.

This could have been an interesting discussion, but instead you keep defending your right to inflict the entire forum with some questionable dreams and visions, which no one can confirm, partly because you do not give enough details, and partly because your vision of the secret rapture is not even based on Biblical fact. It is based on a very poor teaching by some men in the 19th century, who cultivated followers who do not know the Bible well.

I have another friend in real life, and he constantly is having strange visions. And he even knows the Bible really well. So from that perspective, it is not about maturity, but rather deciding to leave behind this revelatory experience which conflicts with the bible.

So for me, what it comes down to, is I will believe the Bible and only the Bible. I pray you will grow and read the Bible and learn what God's Word has to say about everything, and you will leave this immature nonsense about dreams and visions behind, and instead concentrate on listening and learning from those who are trying to help you separate fact from fantasy.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

1Tim. 6:16 in Christ alone is immortalty.
Those who have Christ are given the gift of eternal life. Meaning we were not born with eternal life in our hard drive.
Those who reject Christ, reject eternal life. Punishment yes but not eternal torture.

water boarding yes but not eternal water boarding.

What do you say about Revelation 20:10 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Into that same lake of torment shall go the Beast and the Antichrist also, then those not found in the Book of Life (v. 15). Then into that lake of torment are added Revelation 21:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Would you agree whoever is put in that lake would share Satan's torment for ever and ever?

 

[gotime]

Tell me does this make sense,

God is love, but if you don't accept Him he will through you in hell and leave you there to be tormented forever, yes he will perpetuate your life so you can be tormented forever.

?

Scripture must be understood as a whole.

lets take a well known verse:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

shall not what? "perish" what does perish mean?

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

seems to mean gone destroyed here.

Mat 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

worried they would die.

Mat 12:14 Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.

here they wanted to Kill Jesus.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

sounds like hell destroys could that be, could hell leave us dead and destroyed?

what about this common verse,

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

what are the wages of sin? "death" not eternal life in hell but death.

could hell be eternal death?

yes I know quote all the verses that say for ever and ever and no rest and smoke for ever etc etc. but did you know that for ever In the bible can be translated "until the end of the age" or as long as he shall live.

examples:

Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

1Sa 1:22 But Hannah went not up; for she said unto her husband, I will not go up until the child be weaned, and then I will bring him, that he may appear before the LORD, and there abide for ever.

verse 28 makes it clear that for ever means as long as he shall live.

1Sa 1:28 Therefore also I have lent him to the LORD; as long as he liveth he shall be lent to the LORD. And he worshipped the LORD there.

Jon 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

is for ever literally for ever as in eternal here? no Jonah got out. it would seem it was for ever until God brought up his life from corruption.

what about Hell in the Old testament?

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

I am pretty curtain that when we are ashes we are dead.

what about this one,

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

so they suffered eternal fire is Sodom still burning?

nope and Peter knew it;

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

so being reduced to ashes is an example for those who live ungodly. sounds the same as Malachi.

What about this prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem:

Jer 17:27 But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched.

Is Jerusalem still burning today?

Listen to David on the wicked:

Psa 37:10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

shall not be, gone.

Psa 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

consume away, perish.

This is sanctuary language. where the fat and the lamb was burned on the altar of sacrifice. Asaph saw the end of the wicked in the sanctuary:

Psa 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

Jesus suffered the punishment of the wicked did he go to an eternal burning hell?

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

devour a blueberry and tell my what you have left?

Oba 1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

My point is simple, For an eternal burning hell to exist, God must make it and keep it going. for you to be alive in it and tormented day and night forever in the sense of eternity God would have to give you eternal life so that you could not die.

Sin would still exist meaning that God does not get rid of it but rather just hides it.

blessings.

 

[Kerry]

Hey man I can rob steal and kill and I just burn for a little while and then poof I'm gone. How many in prison would sign up for that.

 

[gotime]

Hey man I can rob steal and kill and I just burn for a little while and then poof I'm gone. How many in prison would sign up for that.

Hell is much worse than simply burning in hell for eternity.

I remember when God brought a man into my life who had done things that I would not care to mention. when we got to the study on hell and he found out that it was not an eternal life in burning and torment. He said "no you can't take that from me" His view of hell made him think twice about what he did. yet he still did horrible things that would make you sick.

So I then proceeded to show Him what the real pain of hell is and he said at then end, I can think of nothing worse.

He was a man who took drugs to numb his guilt and to enable him to do the horrible things he did to people. yet at that time he will have no such thing and God will bring everything he has ever done to his mind. and he will have nothing to block it. not only that but he will see all the people that because of Him will not be in heaven. and He will be made aware of the reality of God an eternal life in heaven so he knows what he has rejected. The love peace and safety that He will never know. And then He will be physically punished until he ceases to exist never to return.

HE broke down and repented before the Lord. He said that physical burning or torment for eternity was nothing compared to that and that he feared that more.

besides the bible says what it says.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

Blain, if I were you I'd be inclined to keep these things to myself or only share with trusted friends. This thread was only ever going to go one way. No one knows if your visions are real, dreams or hallucinations but I do try to be objective. You said nothing that could be conceived as harmful.

 

[kennethcadwell]

What do you say about Revelation 20:10 (KJV) [SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Into that same lake of torment shall go the Beast and the Antichrist also, then those not found in the Book of Life (v. 15). Then into that lake of torment are added Revelation 21:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Would you agree whoever is put in that lake would share Satan's torment for ever and ever?

No because our Lord Jesus said in Luke 12 that some will face harsher punishment then others, if all unbelievers and the disobedient face the same torture in the lake of fire of burning them for eternity. Then that would make Jesus a liar, which we know He is not.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

So I've read a good sum of this thread and there's been points made on all ends. Some rather harsh I'll admit, and Blain is right that we shouldn't judge if we don't truly know. So I'm going to keep some opinions to myself and respect that boundary made since we're free to refrain from what we don't fully acknowledge and there's no sense on acting like we do.

But I will just say that if you want people's advice then you're pretty much asking for anyone who comes and posts on the thread to do so. Listening to people because you like them more or like their message is selective hearing rather than fishing for general advice, so if you're wanting to hear from certain individuals then public forums for it isn't the place. PM would be. You can't expect more or less from the Bible Discussion forum as well for people to be cynical whether if it's truly for the right or wrong reasons. Again, I have no place to judge even if I wanted to.

 

[Stephen63]

This sounds suspiciously like purgatory or Dante's Inferno. The 9 circles of Hell. This is not Biblical! There is no where in the Bible it says that some will get lesser punishments because of supposed lesser or venial sins or greater or mortal sins.

Luke 12:40-48
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

The sins of commission & omission will have their judgement according to what sins they committed and what responsibilities were given to them, just as the righteous will be judged for their works and what was committed to them. The callings of God are without repentance.

If people took this seriously there would be a true fear of God before their eyes.

 

[Atwood]

As to what happens to persons after they die, what we believe about it won't make a bit of difference then (except we might be more or less motivated to spread the gospel & urge them: (The Spirit & the Bride say, Come -- whoever is willing.)

Our discussions will not change the reality one bit.
Also, you won't go to Hell for having a wrong theory about Hell.

Thus I am thinking it may not be necessary to post the scripture on Gehenna & the Lake of Fire here today. Anyone who cares can look at the scripture & read what should be a ton of info on the subject on the internet, even written by persons with opposing POVs.

But I will post 3 passages to consider from Isaiah. The one from Isaiah 47 may be of interest to one claiming visions, dreams, to one who claims he has special knowledge of Hell since he has been there and seen it.

Isaiah 43

2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned, neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

Isaiah 47


12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast labored from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels: let now the astrologers, the star-gazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from the things that shall come upon thee. 14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: it shall not be a coal to warm at, nor a fire to sit before. 15 Thus shall the things be unto thee wherein thou hast labored: they that have trafficked with thee from thy youth shall wander every one to his quarter; there shall be none to save thee.

Isaiah 50


11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that gird yourselves about with firebrands; walk ye in the flame of your fire, and among the brands that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of my hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

 

[Atwood]

There is no where in the Bible it says that some will get lesser punishments because of supposed lesser or venial sins or greater or mortal sins.

Great scripture you posted, Angela.

Now on degrees of punishment, what do you think of this one:

46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful. 47 And that servant, who knew his lord’s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes; 48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. Luke 12

 

[Angela53510]

Great scripture you posted, Angela.

Now on degrees of punishment, what do you think of this one:

46 the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he expecteth not, and in an hour when he knoweth not, and shall cut him asunder, and appoint his portion with the unfaithful. 47 And that servant, who knew his lord’s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes; 48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. Luke 12

Atwood, can you say the word "parable?" Let's look at the whole passage, which also comes in context of the whole chapter, which is talking about serving Jesus.

"41 Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?”42 And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?43 Blessed is that servantwhom his master will find so doing when he comes.44 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.45 But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." Luke 12:41-48

This is presenting a metaphor for believers, and how much they are doing for Christ. As believers, we are all servants of God! Although a sin is presented, (beating the other servants) it is the context of "doing the work Christ left us to do!" In no way is this parable to do with the erroneous concept that unbelievers getting varying levels of punishment in hell.

Really it is another way of illustrating verse 12:48. "Everyone to whom much was given of him much will be required!"
Absolutely nothing to do with the 9 circles of hell, or some unbiblical idea of sinners being punished more for certain sins than others in hell. That is pure Catholic doctrine. I was never so surprised than at my Catholic uncle's funeral, (which my Baptist cousin had changed to something Biblical!) and the priest got angry and said "He has to pay for his sins, and I know he had sin in his life. We need to pray God will get him out of purgatory!"

The concept of varying states of punishment in hell is based on Catholic doctrine, and Dante's Inferno.

But yes, there will be different levels of rewards for believers, those who have given all for Jesus, compared to those who do nothing for Christ! That is the "bad" servant!

"12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Cor. 3:12-15

 

[kennethcadwell]

Atwood, can you say the word "parable?" Let's look at the whole passage, which also comes in context of the whole chapter, which is talking about serving Jesus.

"41 Peter said, “Lord, are you telling this parable for us or for all?”42 And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom his master will set over his household, to give them their portion of food at the proper time?43 Blessed is that servantwhom his master will find so doing when he comes.44 Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.45 But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk,46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.47 And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating.48 But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." Luke 12:41-48

This is presenting a metaphor for believers, and how much they are doing for Christ. As believers, we are all servants of God! Although a sin is presented, (beating the other servants) it is the context of "doing the work Christ left us to do!" In no way is this parable to do with the erroneous concept that unbelievers getting varying levels of punishment in hell.

Really it is another way of illustrating verse 12:48. "Everyone to whom much was given of him much will be required!"
Absolutely nothing to do with the 9 circles of hell, or some unbiblical idea of sinners being punished more for certain sins than others in hell. That is pure Catholic doctrine. I was never so surprised than at my Catholic uncle's funeral, (which my Baptist cousin had changed to something Biblical!) and the priest got angry and said "He has to pay for his sins, and I know he had sin in his life. We need to pray God will get him out of purgatory!"

The concept of varying states of punishment in hell is based on Catholic doctrine, and Dante's Inferno.

But yes, there will be different levels of rewards for believers, those who have given all for Jesus, compared to those who do nothing for Christ! That is the "bad" servant!

"12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire." 1 Cor. 3:12-15

Yes this context does show different degrees of punishment.
This is talking about disobedient servants getting a worse punishment on judgment, than a unbeliever will get.
The problem people don't like this is because the one who gets punished more is not the unbeliever, but one who was a believer but was disobedient and did their own thing and not the will of God in their life.

 

[Elin]

My point is simple, For an eternal burning hell to exist, God must make it and keep it going. for you to be alive in it and tormented day and night forever in the sense of eternity
God would have to give you eternal life so that you could not die.

"Eternal" life does not mean life forever, nor does "eternal" death mean death forever.

Eternal life and eternal death are about their nature, not their duration.

Eternal life is God/Holy Spirit life in one's spirit, which is union with God.

Eternal death is no God/Holy Spirit life in one's spirit, which is separation from God.

We are born with immortal spirits which do not have eternal life, they are in spiritual death.
Our spirits are raised from spiritual death to eternal life when they are born again.

Eternal punishment under the wrath of God (Ro 2:5, 5:9) is the "second death,"
as distinct from "eternal death," which is separation from God, in which we are born.

So your logic above is not Biblical.

 

[Elin]

He was a man who took drugs to numb his guilt and to enable him to do the horrible things he did to people. yet at that time he will have no such thing and God will bring everything he has ever done to his mind. and he will have nothing to block it. not only that but he will see all the people that because of Him will not be in heaven. and He will be made aware of the reality of God an eternal life in heaven so he knows what he has rejected. The love peace and safety that He will never know. And then
He will be physically punished until he ceases to exist never to return.

HE broke down and repented before the Lord. He said that physical burning or torment for eternity was nothing compared to that and that he feared that more.

Biblically, human spirits are immortal, and do not cease to exist.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

The Bible teaches that lost people will be citizens of Hell for eternity (forever and ever). The only application of Luke 12 that would be consistent with all scriptures about Hell and the lake of fire might be there will be some cooler molten lava in some parts. Being beaten with stripes while treading that lake of fire would indeed be a greater punishment. There is nothing in scriptures indicating some will, as I heard preached once from a preacher that was fired that some would have their own lonely island in a sea with one palm tree and bottles of memories of what could have been had they known God.

There are possibly hundreds of written theories about degrees of punishment in eternity, but all that argue with plain scriptures that are adequately descriptive of unimaginably horrid punishment in a literal lake of fire and brimstone (molten sulfur) are evasions of reality.

When sulfur is ignited it behaves like lava, with vapors that can kill you if inhaled, damage done by resulting formation of sulfuric acid when mixing with moisture in the lungs. Hell right now isn't in that lake, but we know it's desert like in Hell, no water, and will be a like a great ship full of the lost plunging with them into that lake at the Judgment.

The Luke 12 selection allows for a conclusion that at the Great Judgment sinners will be beaten more and less in front of every other sinner just before being thrown into the lake of fire. All the lost will be there for eternity, not able to burn up, as they will be in a resurrected body destined to exist in the Second Death.

Anything less than that is gross abuse of exegesis/hermeneutics as known to modern man. Satan himself will be the third being put in it, after he watches the beast and the antichrist go in. Next will go all who are not named in the Lamb's Book of Life.. None of that is a legitimate analogy or parable of some lesser situation, which is one of many false doctrines from the Devil. Of course Satan would prefer nobody knows what happens to the lost. His ideal is for all humanity to join him in his own punishment. Hell has enlarged it's mouth to accommodate the flood of new citizens dying and going to that place designed for him.

Be sure your name is in that book.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Biblically, human spirits are immortal, and do not cease to exist.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Here Lord Jesus says that both the body and soul will be destroyed completely in hell......

 

[Word_Swordsman]

I suppose some folks still haven't read the following, so I'll post it. There are many online Bible tools to choose from, BTW. Also, if you are Baptist, your pastor can probably steer you to their DVD Bible searcher. Same for probably all major denominations, along with their choices of commentaries.

Revelation 20:10-15 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.