The doctrine I don't want to believe-eternal fire
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I have only had one full out vision and that was me ascending toward Jesus which I later on learned was the rapture. God gives me dreams mostly and most of them are rapture dreams or him showing me a future event like when I saw the tribulation. But satan also has given me dreams and has attacked me in them, sent demons to rip me to shreds or attack me one of them even cut off my arms and the cut off my head and in one of them satan himself was strangling me saying to me I am not strong enough and I was blazing with a mighty fire fighting back which I am 100% certain it was the holy spirit and this is when he said I wasn't strong enough but the fire only grew in intensity and became so strong it jolted me awake still feeling the power of the fire for a second or two.
Sorry Blain, I could give you an interpretation of Acts 2:17 , literally/in context, and THAT would derail this thread altogether.
I'm not stupid enough to play with an already loaded gun while the barrel is pointed at my face......don't feel like walking into that one at the moment.
It's friday...it's a mellow night........and she's out there......lurking.......waiting.........ahem, Angela.
Not in the mood to be served up at the moment.
I'm not stupid enough to play with an already loaded gun while the barrel is pointed at my face......don't feel like walking into that one at the moment.
It's friday...it's a mellow night........and she's out there......lurking.......waiting.........ahem, Angela.
Not in the mood to be served up at the moment.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
The answer to your question about does something has to be in the Bible word for word, would be, no it does not. But does it have to align with the Bible, the answer is yes, it does. In the cases of Muslim converts to Christianity that you mention, the fruit was coming to Christ, so even though something they have seen may not have been directly in the Bible, it was proven by the fruit that it was of God. So when we test a revelation we ask for two things:
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How does a revelation bring the Body of Christ closer to God? Does it 1. encourage, 2. admonish or 3. comfort the congregation? At least one of these functions must be fulfilled for something to be considered prophetic.
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Are there Bible verses to directly support it? OR, is there no contradiction with the Bible? (either of the two)
Answering Yes to BOTH I and II would be the proof of a revelation.
Hope that helped!
The answer to your question about does something has to be in the Bible word for word, would be, no it does not. But does it have to align with the Bible, the answer is yes, it does. In the cases of Muslim converts to Christianity that you mention, the fruit was coming to Christ, so even though something they have seen may not have been directly in the Bible, it was proven by the fruit that it was of God. So when we test a revelation we ask for two things:
I
How does a revelation bring the Body of Christ closer to God? Does it 1. encourage, 2. admonish or 3. comfort the congregation? At least one of these functions must be fulfilled for something to be considered prophetic.
II
Are there Bible verses to directly support it? OR, is there no contradiction with the Bible? (either of the two)
Answering Yes to BOTH I and II would be the proof of a revelation.
Hope that helped!
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Sorry Blain, I could give you an interpretation of Acts 2:17 , literally/in context, and THAT would derail this thread altogether.
I'm not stupid enough to play with an already loaded gun while the barrel is pointed at my face......don't feel like walking into that one at the moment.
It's friday...it's a mellow night........and she's out there......lurking.......waiting.........ahem, Angela.
Not in the mood to be served up at the moment.
I'm not stupid enough to play with an already loaded gun while the barrel is pointed at my face......don't feel like walking into that one at the moment.
It's friday...it's a mellow night........and she's out there......lurking.......waiting.........ahem, Angela.
Not in the mood to be served up at the moment.
Let's see your proof, Blain.
Give us a prediction of something concrete in the near future. Tell us the players & score of the Super Bowl -- something like that. Prophecy demands fulfilled prophecy for authentication, as we are told in Deuteronomy.
And BTW, Blain, does your spirit confess that the Lord Jesus is God become man in the flesh?
Give us a prediction of something concrete in the near future. Tell us the players & score of the Super Bowl -- something like that. Prophecy demands fulfilled prophecy for authentication, as we are told in Deuteronomy.
And BTW, Blain, does your spirit confess that the Lord Jesus is God become man in the flesh?
an interpretation? when you say interpretation do you mean a different view than another or basically what the scripture is saying in general? because I don't want to believe hell is eternal so if you can provide scriptural proof that it isn't then by all means please do
I'm not one to avoid giving an answer when asked.....This time is different though.
You seemed 100 % convinced that you have these types of visions, and maybe (a big, big, big maybe) you do indeed have them? How do we tackle that? When you go to share them, be prepared to be questioned though......A lot.
maxwel said it...SoulWeaver...Angela, and etc, to name a few..... We question you.
If most Christians are anything like us, they don't take these sort of things lightly...and will test you/your so called visions EVERYTIME.
Honestly- your "visions" seem more like products of an overactive imagination,.... sorry, but they do.
Dreams are just sometimes dreams.
I understand you want answers to them----but I believe this is something that could take pages/or awhile to explain properly.
You're talking : cross referencing, how visions were received by any in the Bible, what is literal, what is figurative, study, prayer,..and on and on.
If you don't see scripture/Acts 2:17 for what it says, and not taking it super serious....I don't know if I or we can convince you otherwise?
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Actually no this thread was brought about the scripture I came across and then my study on the subject however ppl are more interested in debating dreams and visions it seems.
Honestly regarding my dreams and visions and encounters with God We can debate on them for days but in the end it isn't important to me to prove anything you all may believe what you want. I still have to do research on a lot of my dreams and visions to see if they line up biblical which I am in the process of doing, now usually when I post them here I am looking for help understanding them but when I am giving a testimony like when i was in hell this is to testify what the Lord showed me and to warn others of what waits there.
Honestly regarding my dreams and visions and encounters with God We can debate on them for days but in the end it isn't important to me to prove anything you all may believe what you want. I still have to do research on a lot of my dreams and visions to see if they line up biblical which I am in the process of doing, now usually when I post them here I am looking for help understanding them but when I am giving a testimony like when i was in hell this is to testify what the Lord showed me and to warn others of what waits there.
But you're visions aren't "visions" Blain, they've told you that time and time again, .....because when asked to show some sort of proof, you get offended.
You say you want "help".... but I think it's obvious to anyone who reads your posts, that you don't want help, correction...or guidance? You just want to be heard.
There are some very smart, enlightened Christians on here Blain, my last advice is to take their advice once in awhile.
Your visions, dreams, and personal opinions on all these matters in your threads get creepy, brother.
I would just let you be, and I have for weeks.....but your threads are every other thread in every forum.....sort of hard to not notice you. You're everywhere!
I'll let you be.
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Hell is eternal, no oblivion just eternal torment. If were just burn a little while and then oblivion, many would sign up for that and curse God to His face. Many do that anyway and do not realize what they are doing or maybe they do. There is the satanic church.
If there is no recompense, then why follow? If there is no hell then there is no heaven. Jesus spoke about hell atleast 5 times more than heaven. John said to the Pharisees " you brood of vipers, who has warned you to flee the wrath that is to come"
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Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
If there is no recompense, then why follow? If there is no hell then there is no heaven. Jesus spoke about hell atleast 5 times more than heaven. John said to the Pharisees " you brood of vipers, who has warned you to flee the wrath that is to come"
Verse
Matthew 3
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Unless ppl experienced what I experienced they can never know for sure if my visions are visions they can only assume or make an educated guess. and as for my opinions I am still a growing Christian I make mistakes and I am constantly working on it but I can only grow so much in so much time. I do take advice from ppl and I do recieve correction but I make sure to take it from the right ppl who I know to listen to. For instance Angela is very educated in the scriptures but she tends to attack me and say mean things so I take some of her words to heart but I tend to listen more to ppl with a more patient and loving heart.
The thing about forums is ppl speak their hearts a lot and say things to ppl they normally wouldn't say to them face to face because we are protected behind a computer screen. I do have a lot of growing to do and I am not afraid to speak my heart which sadly is a blessing and a curse because my heart is still immature imperfect and weak however have you ever once seen me attack someone? I always make it a point to preach on love, to encourage others and if someone is being mean to another if I see it I make sure to let them know we Christians are called to be love.
I do the best I can and I grow as fast as i can and I hold no ill feelings to any of you even for those who were not exactly nice but you also have to realize I am still a babe in Christ only two years and am still very immature so you need to try to take it easy on me and not hold me as accountable as a person who is mature in faith. I will continue to try my best to grow and mature but I need time
The thing about forums is ppl speak their hearts a lot and say things to ppl they normally wouldn't say to them face to face because we are protected behind a computer screen. I do have a lot of growing to do and I am not afraid to speak my heart which sadly is a blessing and a curse because my heart is still immature imperfect and weak however have you ever once seen me attack someone? I always make it a point to preach on love, to encourage others and if someone is being mean to another if I see it I make sure to let them know we Christians are called to be love.
I do the best I can and I grow as fast as i can and I hold no ill feelings to any of you even for those who were not exactly nice but you also have to realize I am still a babe in Christ only two years and am still very immature so you need to try to take it easy on me and not hold me as accountable as a person who is mature in faith. I will continue to try my best to grow and mature but I need time
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Oh and Luke 16 is it a fairy tale or did Jesu tell fairy tales?
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.