The Heresy of Perfectionism
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Any enablement we get is a grace, gift, empowerment. There are several words that come from the same root.
We cant come to God unless He draws us. We are told to pray for those who oppose themselves that God will
permit them repentance. Repentance and brokenness comes from God. By nature we couldnt and wouldnt.
Accusing zone for having sin in her life is a sleezy cheap shot. Clean it up please. Disagreeing is fine, but there has been a tad too much false accusations going around. And it kills me coming from the ones preaching perfection. Weird huh?
Any enablement we get is a grace, gift, empowerment. There are several words that come from the same root.
We cant come to God unless He draws us. We are told to pray for those who oppose themselves that God will
permit them repentance. Repentance and brokenness comes from God. By nature we couldnt and wouldnt.
Accusing zone for having sin in her life is a sleezy cheap shot. Clean it up please. Disagreeing is fine, but there has been a tad too much false accusations going around. And it kills me coming from the ones preaching perfection. Weird huh?
We cant come to God unless He draws us. We are told to pray for those who oppose themselves that God will
permit them repentance. Repentance and brokenness comes from God. By nature we couldnt and wouldnt.
Accusing zone for having sin in her life is a sleezy cheap shot. Clean it up please. Disagreeing is fine, but there has been a tad too much false accusations going around. And it kills me coming from the ones preaching perfection. Weird huh?
Let me go read the prodical son story...be right back
Ok back...Seems the Father will welcome him back with open arms.
Any other scenario isnt really important.
Ok back...Seems the Father will welcome him back with open arms.
Any other scenario isnt really important.
let me go read 2 Peter 2... or 1 Timothy 1:18-20... or 2 Timothy 2:11-18... or John 15:1-6... or Revelation 2-3... or Revelation 22:18-19... or Matthew 7... or Romans 6:1-3... or Romans 11... or Ezekiel 18:24-30...
better yet, lets go read about what happened to Hymenaeus, Philetus, and Alexander...
ok back... yeah, someone can spiritually die if they dont abide in Christ
*sniff* *sniff*...
you smell that?...
I smell Calvinism... I mean, Gnosticism...
by nature gentiles do what is in the law (Romans 2:14-16)
nature is not genetically sinful (Ezekiel 18:1-4, Jeremiah 32:29-30)
he does draw us, but we must choose it (Deuteronomy 30:15-18, Joshua 24:15, John 15:6-7), and even when He does draw us, we can resist it (Luke 6:46, Acts 6:10; 7:51-55)
sounds like you follow the Author of Evil... and no, I'm not talking about God, because Calvinism does NOT reflect who God is...
nature is not genetically sinful (Ezekiel 18:1-4, Jeremiah 32:29-30)
he does draw us, but we must choose it (Deuteronomy 30:15-18, Joshua 24:15, John 15:6-7), and even when He does draw us, we can resist it (Luke 6:46, Acts 6:10; 7:51-55)
sounds like you follow the Author of Evil... and no, I'm not talking about God, because Calvinism does NOT reflect who God is...
Let me go read the prodical son story...be right back
Ok back...Seems the Father will welcome him back with open arms.
Any other scenario isnt really important.
Ok back...Seems the Father will welcome him back with open arms.
Any other scenario isnt really important.
is that the son never lost the inhearitance.
Because the true inhearitance was not the moneys or land.
But the unending love of the father.
This is the true inhearitance that is always waiting and watching for His son's or daughter's return.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
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Good Thread/Topic. Without being too perfectionist, may I call for a step-back / recap
here. It seems all drifty and ID (reactionary). Can we/are we, laying out a doctrine that
relates to perfectionism and how and why it is heresy? Is preventing witchcraft
'perfectionism'? Is staying on topic 'perfectionism'?
PERFECTIONISM and NARCISSISM:
PERFECTIONISM:
Perfectionism, in psychology, is a belief that perfection can and should be attained. In its
pathological form, perfectionism is a belief that work or output that is anything less than
perfect is unacceptable. At such levels, this is considered an unhealthy belief, and
psychologists typically refer to such individuals as maladaptive perfectionists.
Hamachek describes two types of perfectionism. Normal perfectionists "derive a very real
sense of pleasure from the labours of a painstaking effort" while neurotic perfectionists
are "unable to feel satisfaction because in their own eyes they never seem to do things
[well] enough to warrant that feeling of satisfaction". Burns defines perfectionists as
"people who strain compulsively and unremittingly toward impossible goals and who
measure their own worth entirely in terms of productivity and accomplishment"
In the book Too Perfect, the authors describe perfectionists as having obsessive
personality types. The obsessive personality type is distinct from obsessive-compulsive
disorder (OCD); OCD is a clinical disorder that may be associated with specific ritualized
behavior. According to Mallinger and DeWyze, perfectionists are obsessives who need to
feel in control at all times to protect themselves and ensure their own safety. By being
constantly vigilant and trying extremely hard, they can ensure that they not only fail to
disappoint or are beyond reproach but that they can protect against unforeseen issues
(such as economic downturn). Vigilance may include constant monitoring of the news,
weather, and financial markets.
Daniels & Price (2000) refer to perfectionists as "ones". Perfectionists are focused on
personal integrity and can be wise, discerning and inspiring in their quest for the truth.
They also tend to dissociate themselves from their flaws or what they believe are flaws
(such as negative emotions) and can become hypocritical and hypercritical of others,
seeking the illusion of virtue to hide their own vices. The greatest fear of perfectionists is
to be flawed and their ultimate goal is perfection.
Perfectionists can suffer anxiety and low self-esteem. Perfectionism is a risk factor for
obsessive compulsive personality disorder, eating disorders, social anxiety, social phobia,
body dysmorphic disorder, workaholism, self harm, and clinical depression as well as
physical problems like chronic stress, and heart disease.
Narcissism can be considered as a self-perceived form of perfectionism - "an insistence
on perfection in the idealized self-object and the limitless power of the grandiose self.
These are rooted in traumatic injuries to the grandiose self."
NARCISSISM:
Narcissists often are pseudo-perfectionists and require being the center of attention and
create situations where they will receive attention. This attempt at being perfect is
cohesive with the narcissist's grandiose self-image. If a perceived state of perfection
isn't reached it can lead to guilt, shame, anger or anxiety because he/she believes that
he/she will lose the imagined love and admiration from other people if he/she isn’t
perfect.
Reference (Link): -->> Perfectionism (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I only go by what you post, abiding... And what you posted echoed irresistible grace and unconditional election
Look at that parable again... The prodigal son did something: he repented.
Consider this: what would of happened if that prodigal son never repented... And what happens if we never repent of the sins that we commit after we receive the gift of salvation?
That's all I'm trying to say... Yes, God will never turn us away... As an Arminian, I loydully say that with happiness in my heart... But we as Christians still can fall into apostasy
Perfection is only possible through Jesus Christ ith repentance and obedience to Jesus Christ, and will be completed in Christ the day He returns
I think your getting a little carried away. Makes it difficult to have a conversation. Feels like
a instant fight rather than a dialogue. Im not here to push a view, Just visit and maybe learn something.
I showed the prodical son story and you get like that. Hmm.
a instant fight rather than a dialogue. Im not here to push a view, Just visit and maybe learn something.
I showed the prodical son story and you get like that. Hmm.
Consider this: what would of happened if that prodigal son never repented... And what happens if we never repent of the sins that we commit after we receive the gift of salvation?
That's all I'm trying to say... Yes, God will never turn us away... As an Arminian, I loydully say that with happiness in my heart... But we as Christians still can fall into apostasy
Perfection is only possible through Jesus Christ ith repentance and obedience to Jesus Christ, and will be completed in Christ the day He returns