The Holy Spirit and the Supernatural Orb Explored (Scripture Examined)
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The Holy Spirit always points to Jesus, not Himself (the Holy Spirit). We don't need evidence that the Holy Spirit exists. He reveals Himself to our hearts when we come to know Jesus Christ.
New Agers and others in the occult need to hear about Jesus and what He has done for us. Telling them about the Holy Spirit or orbs would just make them think that the Christian Holy Spirit is the same demonic power that is in their spiritual beliefs.
New Agers and others in the occult need to hear about Jesus and what He has done for us. Telling them about the Holy Spirit or orbs would just make them think that the Christian Holy Spirit is the same demonic power that is in their spiritual beliefs.
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What makes you think it was the Holy Spirit? Was it nice and shinny? Did you test it according to biblical guidelines? I bet you simply assumed it was the Holy Spirit. Many people will be deceived in the end days by a man called Antichrist who will pretend to be Christ. I sure hope you are not so gullible in the future or you will be taking the mark of the beast and selling out real Christians.
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Orbs are a demonic manifestation or dust near the lens of a camera. Satan has no problem looking like an angel of light when in fact he is of the darkness. Show me an orb and I can show you it is a fake with ease. Next time you see one, Ask Jesus to pass His sword thru it and see what happens. You are making a huge assumption that it is the Holy Spirit.
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First of all thank you for this thread being put up, all the references to what they could be and links to the bible which attempt to rationalize the subject. Although there maybe cases for both lines of thinking I humbly wanted to add a little more info on my experience and thoughts. It is important that it is understood that this is only a single opinion and not to be taken as proof or 100% evidence of fact.
Shortly after the 3 months of strange sightings we had 2 separate tragic events in the family that may (but may not) have been related.
I had contact with someone experiencing the same things from Tuscon US confirming intelligent interaction after seeing my videos.
Relating to other videos some appear to disappear of change shape completely.
Upto 3 have been seen at the same time.
I am aware there are man made holograms in the skies (China hologram city - Yotube) but what I experienced interacts so I believe this can be ruled out, and seen first hand I know they are not man made, believe me when I say this as I am very logical and have ruled out all man made possibilities.
As for ETs UFO, well, lets just say....don't even go there as they don't exist in my opinion.
To conclude I was 99% convinced that what was witnessed was demonic spirits which were out to trick me into believing into other realms. We all know that satan is very devious and very clever, though I hate giving him credit for being clever.
Once I came to this conclusion logic followed that if satan exists then God must exist. Not long after this I started to pray, which I now do every day and I don't see these any more. This was enough to satisfy my conclusion was correct.
I have read many places (not Biblically) that people who look for UFOs and Orbs will see more and more once they scout for them or intensely read into the subject to which I believe to be true.
I would recommend anyone interested in this subject to just let it go and forget about it, I really don't think anything good will come out of it, only harm and deception.
As I said, I am not right or wrong it is all just my opinion.
Once again I would genuinely like to thankyou for this thread being started and all the people who have contributed.
God bless.
Shortly after the 3 months of strange sightings we had 2 separate tragic events in the family that may (but may not) have been related.
I had contact with someone experiencing the same things from Tuscon US confirming intelligent interaction after seeing my videos.
Relating to other videos some appear to disappear of change shape completely.
Upto 3 have been seen at the same time.
I am aware there are man made holograms in the skies (China hologram city - Yotube) but what I experienced interacts so I believe this can be ruled out, and seen first hand I know they are not man made, believe me when I say this as I am very logical and have ruled out all man made possibilities.
As for ETs UFO, well, lets just say....don't even go there as they don't exist in my opinion.
To conclude I was 99% convinced that what was witnessed was demonic spirits which were out to trick me into believing into other realms. We all know that satan is very devious and very clever, though I hate giving him credit for being clever.
Once I came to this conclusion logic followed that if satan exists then God must exist. Not long after this I started to pray, which I now do every day and I don't see these any more. This was enough to satisfy my conclusion was correct.
I have read many places (not Biblically) that people who look for UFOs and Orbs will see more and more once they scout for them or intensely read into the subject to which I believe to be true.
I would recommend anyone interested in this subject to just let it go and forget about it, I really don't think anything good will come out of it, only harm and deception.
As I said, I am not right or wrong it is all just my opinion.
Once again I would genuinely like to thankyou for this thread being started and all the people who have contributed.
God bless.
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I wanted to say that I'm not trying to mock anyone here with the above questions. I take this topic (and others like it) very seriously. When people are convinced that something they've seen is a spiritual manifestation of the Holy Spirit, or any member of the Trinity, or an angel from God, and this manifestation seems extra biblical.....I am truly concerned that people are being deceived by the demonic.
I have friends and know people who are caught up in the signs and wonders movement. It breaks my heart to watch them run after all these things. Orbs are just one of many of these signs and wonders that they chase.
In some ways, I think this signs and wonders movement is more dangerous than those who deny orthodox doctrine because of the way that this signs and wonders movement wraps everything up in "Christian" language.
I have friends and know people who are caught up in the signs and wonders movement. It breaks my heart to watch them run after all these things. Orbs are just one of many of these signs and wonders that they chase.
In some ways, I think this signs and wonders movement is more dangerous than those who deny orthodox doctrine because of the way that this signs and wonders movement wraps everything up in "Christian" language.
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People don't even have to wait for the Antichrist to come to be deceived. The NT warns us over and over again that there will be more and more false signs and wonders, false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers as we get closer and closer to Jesus' return.
We don't know when Jesus is coming back. It could be a thousand years from now. It could be a hundred years. It could be 50 years from now, or it could be 20 years from now....or it could be next year, or it could be this year.....but one thing is certain, each day moves closer and closer to the end.
I think we are seeing some of the symptoms now in terms of how many false teachers are running rampant in today's church. This will only get worse. We have to test all things -- both the doctrine and the practices of people.
How many people in certain Christian circles were deceived by Todd Bentley? How many are still deceived by him and still defend him? Christians around the world were convinced that kicking someone in the face in order to heal them was an order to Todd Bentley from the Holy Spirit. They thought calling down angels was the right thing to do. They cheered Todd Bentley on when he told people that God told him not to talk about Jesus, but instead to get people to believe in "the angel."
They believed him because all of the signs and wonders that people claimed to be taking place, and because the leaders that they looked up to were promoting Todd Bentley and his "Florida Outpouring." They think that if "God" shows up and does miracles, signs, and wonders, that it is all of God.
We don't know when Jesus is coming back. It could be a thousand years from now. It could be a hundred years. It could be 50 years from now, or it could be 20 years from now....or it could be next year, or it could be this year.....but one thing is certain, each day moves closer and closer to the end.
I think we are seeing some of the symptoms now in terms of how many false teachers are running rampant in today's church. This will only get worse. We have to test all things -- both the doctrine and the practices of people.
How many people in certain Christian circles were deceived by Todd Bentley? How many are still deceived by him and still defend him? Christians around the world were convinced that kicking someone in the face in order to heal them was an order to Todd Bentley from the Holy Spirit. They thought calling down angels was the right thing to do. They cheered Todd Bentley on when he told people that God told him not to talk about Jesus, but instead to get people to believe in "the angel."
They believed him because all of the signs and wonders that people claimed to be taking place, and because the leaders that they looked up to were promoting Todd Bentley and his "Florida Outpouring." They think that if "God" shows up and does miracles, signs, and wonders, that it is all of God.
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I believe that I understand what you are talking about. I have a long history with orbs and can assure you that they within themselves are not evil. Like God, these orbs can do an evil but are not evil themselves.
Evil spirits come into our lives as a consequence of our sins. I believe that it is the Holy Spirit (Orb) that brings these evil spirits into our lives as temporal punishment and He is doing God's will. This temporal punishment should be viewed as a call to grace, to pursue our undeserving vocation to be adopted children of God.
Here is an example of temporal punishment in scripture.
A Distressing Spirit Troubles Saul
1 Samuel 16:14-15 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him. And Saul's servants said to him, "Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you".
Ezekiel's Wheel
If you look at an artist's rendition of what Ezekiel saw, you will see Father God on his throne, an angel, and a depiction of the "wheels". Using a process of elimination, we know that the wheel is not Father God, nor Jesus, nor an angel. That only leaves the "wheels" to be a description of the Holy Spirit in orbital form.
Here is an artist's rendition of "Ezekiel's Wheel":
http://pftdcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ezekiel_s_vision_1_-1004x798.jpg
Please view this picture of a face in an orb:
http://www.extremumspiritum.com/images/2013/07/xmas-orb.jpg
Ezekiel 1:20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
For the spirit of the living creature is in the orb.
Evil spirits come into our lives as a consequence of our sins. I believe that it is the Holy Spirit (Orb) that brings these evil spirits into our lives as temporal punishment and He is doing God's will. This temporal punishment should be viewed as a call to grace, to pursue our undeserving vocation to be adopted children of God.
Here is an example of temporal punishment in scripture.
A Distressing Spirit Troubles Saul
1 Samuel 16:14-15 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the Lord troubled him. And Saul's servants said to him, "Surely, a distressing spirit from God is troubling you".
Ezekiel's Wheel
If you look at an artist's rendition of what Ezekiel saw, you will see Father God on his throne, an angel, and a depiction of the "wheels". Using a process of elimination, we know that the wheel is not Father God, nor Jesus, nor an angel. That only leaves the "wheels" to be a description of the Holy Spirit in orbital form.
Here is an artist's rendition of "Ezekiel's Wheel":
http://pftdcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Ezekiel_s_vision_1_-1004x798.jpg
Please view this picture of a face in an orb:
http://www.extremumspiritum.com/images/2013/07/xmas-orb.jpg
Ezekiel 1:20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
For the spirit of the living creature is in the orb.
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Praise God that by His grace and mercy He led you out of that movement. It is He that has delivered you from what I am convinced was the demonic.
Some things can be faked, but Satan and his demons also do have power, and do really deceive people. If they didn't, why would people be so attracted to the occult? There is real power in the occult, and that is one of the reasons that God forbids us to play with things in the occult.
You wrote:
"I have read many places (not Biblically) that people who look for UFOs and Orbs will see more and more once they scout for them or intensely read into the subject to which I believe to be true."
My response -- it is the same way when Christians run after occult things that have been repackaged in Christian terminology. It is the same thing for Christians who chase after signs and wonders instead of Jesus Christ. I believe that God allows people to be given over so that they will believe a lie. It's His judgment.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [SUP][a][/SUP]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, [SUP]2 [/SUP]by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, [SUP]3 [/SUP]men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; [SUP]5 [/SUP]for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NASB)
3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [SUP][a][/SUP]haters of good, [SUP]4 [/SUP]treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, [SUP]5 [/SUP]holding to a form of [SUP][b][/SUP]godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2 Timothy 3:13-17 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is [SUP][h][/SUP]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [SUP][i][/SUP]training in righteousness; [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-12 (NASB)
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the [SUP][a][/SUP]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you not be quickly shaken from your [SUP][b][/SUP]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a [SUP][c][/SUP]message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [SUP][d][/SUP]apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above [SUP][e][/SUP]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His [SUP][f][/SUP]coming; [SUP]9 [/SUP]that is, the one whose [SUP][g][/SUP]coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and [SUP][h][/SUP]signs and false wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with [SUP][i][/SUP]all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For this reason God [SUP][j][/SUP]will send upon them [SUP][k][/SUP]a deluding influence so that they will believe [SUP][l][/SUP]what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that they all may be [SUP][m][/SUP]judged who did not believe the truth, but [SUP][n][/SUP]took pleasure in wickedness.
Earlier you said that what you saw scared you. What exactly did you see, and why did it scare you? I think answering these questions could really shed some light on the source of it (demonic), and help people who are caught up in the movement see that it is not of God. Of course, it is up to you whether you want to answer this. I just think it could be really helpful.
Some things can be faked, but Satan and his demons also do have power, and do really deceive people. If they didn't, why would people be so attracted to the occult? There is real power in the occult, and that is one of the reasons that God forbids us to play with things in the occult.
You wrote:
"I have read many places (not Biblically) that people who look for UFOs and Orbs will see more and more once they scout for them or intensely read into the subject to which I believe to be true."
My response -- it is the same way when Christians run after occult things that have been repackaged in Christian terminology. It is the same thing for Christians who chase after signs and wonders instead of Jesus Christ. I believe that God allows people to be given over so that they will believe a lie. It's His judgment.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NASB)
4 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will [SUP][a][/SUP]fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, [SUP]2 [/SUP]by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, [SUP]3 [/SUP]men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; [SUP]5 [/SUP]for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NASB)
3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, [SUP]3 [/SUP]unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, [SUP][a][/SUP]haters of good, [SUP]4 [/SUP]treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, [SUP]5 [/SUP]holding to a form of [SUP][b][/SUP]godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
2 Timothy 3:13-17 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. [SUP]14 [/SUP]You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is [SUP][h][/SUP]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [SUP][i][/SUP]training in righteousness; [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-12 (NASB)
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the [SUP][a][/SUP]coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]that you not be quickly shaken from your [SUP][b][/SUP]composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a [SUP][c][/SUP]message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the [SUP][d][/SUP]apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above [SUP][e][/SUP]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His [SUP][f][/SUP]coming; [SUP]9 [/SUP]that is, the one whose [SUP][g][/SUP]coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and [SUP][h][/SUP]signs and false wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with [SUP][i][/SUP]all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For this reason God [SUP][j][/SUP]will send upon them [SUP][k][/SUP]a deluding influence so that they will believe [SUP][l][/SUP]what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that they all may be [SUP][m][/SUP]judged who did not believe the truth, but [SUP][n][/SUP]took pleasure in wickedness.
Earlier you said that what you saw scared you. What exactly did you see, and why did it scare you? I think answering these questions could really shed some light on the source of it (demonic), and help people who are caught up in the movement see that it is not of God. Of course, it is up to you whether you want to answer this. I just think it could be really helpful.
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Wow. Praise God for leading you out of all that! 
People need to hear testimonies like yours, both Christians and non-Christians. People are playing with fire, and it will eventually burn them.
I'd be interested in talking to you about some of the things going on in what in some churches today, and asking you if there are similarities to what you experienced when you into the occult. It should be a wake-up call to the church.
Would you be interested in starting a thread with me about it? I know it's personal, so I understand if you don't want to.
People need to hear testimonies like yours, both Christians and non-Christians. People are playing with fire, and it will eventually burn them.
I'd be interested in talking to you about some of the things going on in what in some churches today, and asking you if there are similarities to what you experienced when you into the occult. It should be a wake-up call to the church.
Would you be interested in starting a thread with me about it? I know it's personal, so I understand if you don't want to.
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Years ago, I read a great book on UFOs "Operation Trojan horse" back in 1976. A new revised version of this book is currently available. The author did an exhaustive study and he concluded his book by saying he felt UFO's can not be what they claim to be. He concluded that they are a part of a spiritual deception.
I spoke with a Canadian man when I went thru deliverance. He had purchased a video camera and one night he decided to see if he could record video of a UFO. He caught one one tape and continued to hunt UFO's from his property. He taped hours of UFO's.
One night a UFO came straight towards him and landed 50 feet from him, but he could only see this craft from the view finder of his DVR. He could not see them with his unaided eyes. On the recording of this particular nite, he saw demonic looking faces in various places. He sent a copy to another UFO enthusiast who later emailed him back, asking for him to erase all evidence because he claimed he became demon possessed by watching that video. My Canadian friend has been on Christian radio talking about his ordeal and cautioning others to not investigate UFO's. He is convinced it is demonic.
I spoke with a Canadian man when I went thru deliverance. He had purchased a video camera and one night he decided to see if he could record video of a UFO. He caught one one tape and continued to hunt UFO's from his property. He taped hours of UFO's.
One night a UFO came straight towards him and landed 50 feet from him, but he could only see this craft from the view finder of his DVR. He could not see them with his unaided eyes. On the recording of this particular nite, he saw demonic looking faces in various places. He sent a copy to another UFO enthusiast who later emailed him back, asking for him to erase all evidence because he claimed he became demon possessed by watching that video. My Canadian friend has been on Christian radio talking about his ordeal and cautioning others to not investigate UFO's. He is convinced it is demonic.
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Wow. Praise God for leading you out of all that!
People need to hear testimonies like yours, both Christians and non-Christians. People are playing with fire, and it will eventually burn them.
I'd be interested in talking to you about some of the things going on in what in some churches today, and asking you if there are similarities to what you experienced when you into the occult. It should be a wake-up call to the church.
Would you be interested in starting a thread with me about it? I know it's personal, so I understand if you don't want to.
People need to hear testimonies like yours, both Christians and non-Christians. People are playing with fire, and it will eventually burn them.
I'd be interested in talking to you about some of the things going on in what in some churches today, and asking you if there are similarities to what you experienced when you into the occult. It should be a wake-up call to the church.
Would you be interested in starting a thread with me about it? I know it's personal, so I understand if you don't want to.
I started searching for this stuff, & to my surprise I discovered he's did this on anther forum! (Disclaimer: this posting is not intended to advertise another forum, but to show evidence of forum abuse.)
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Re: The Holy Spirit and the Supernatural Orb Explored (Scripture Examined)
Originally Posted by notforgotten
Ok smarty pants, how do you explain "Ezekiel's Vision of God" or as it is also known as "Ezekiel's Wheel"?...when it is obviously orbital? You got that?...God orbital!...not Jesus, nor the Father, but the Holy Spirit...imagine that!...an orb!!!
Take another look and weep:
http://pftdcast.com/wp-content/uploa..._-1004x798.jpg
Smarty pants? You're not only violating the rules of this board with your sarcastic, insulting rhetoric, but you're talking to moderator of this board. This will not be tolerated. Please start a post in the Chat to Moderators forum before posting anywhere else. "You Got that?"
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Re: The Holy Spirit and the Supernatural Orb Explored (Scripture Examined)
Ok smarty pants, how do you explain "Ezekiel's Vision of God" or as it is also known as "Ezekiel's Wheel"?...when it is obviously orbital? You got that?...God orbital!...not Jesus, nor the Father, but the Holy Spirit...imagine that!...an orb!!!
Take another look and weep:
http://pftdcast.com/wp-content/uploa..._-1004x798.jpg
Smarty pants? You're not only violating the rules of this board with your sarcastic, insulting rhetoric, but you're talking to moderator of this board. This will not be tolerated. Please start a post in the Chat to Moderators forum before posting anywhere else. "You Got that?"
This is from a carnal mind and vain imaginations, a desire for 'mystery' when the Bible is clarity, clear and all things pertaining unto Godliness. Sounds like eisegesis - starting with an opinion, then trying to find scripture to back up said opinion. It's not Biblical, an it's not helpful.
Be careful lest you become like the weak silly women of 2 Timothy - weighed down with your sins - being captured by all sorts of carnal doctrine
