The Homosexual Threat

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There can be a number of reasons: an evil spirit is a very valid one, keeping in mind that by a continuation of this 'lifestyle' once influenced by an evil spirit, the person doing so adapts it as his/their own, and 'becomes' that very thing themselves...
Again I ask where does it say that in the Bible? Please show me any verses that says that. The Bible is very clear where this stuff comes from and it's a matter of the heart. Nowhere can you find that the Bible ever says there is a demon of lust,homosexuality,drunkenness,greed,etc. It's not there.

...there are also hormonal factors and faulty sry genes that may be contributive; as well as mothers that drank lots of soy milk while pregnant; due to the high estrogen content in soya --- some of them gave birth to male children with deformed genitals and who grew breasts, and had to have mastectomies as a result --- so there are other contributing factors as well, incl. those born as hermaphrodites for whatever reason --- I think God sees each case individually and being a Just God sees what people do and struggle with to do the right thing and be correct in His Eyes - and judges accordingly...
I never said otherwise. I myself have had to deal with this all my life so I am quite aware that there can be problems with the body itself and it can make things really hard because the Bible is NOT very clear on those things. Jesus only mentions it in passing on marriage. It is a tough place to be and I don't wish this on even my worst enemy.

...however, we can see that it IS an agenda of the enemy to create a spiritual twist and mutation within humanity via homosexuality (and whatever other means) so that they are automatically rejected by God...
I never said otherwise,and again it does go back to the fact that many that are pushing the agenda are not themselves LGBT. There is purpose to this that not even many within the LGBT community are aware of and they are being used as pawns. It's not about helping them at all.
 
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From what I have read of this thread, we must go to Romans 7. True believers are tormented by the sins the commit. Whether that sin be homo or drunkenness or pornography or whatever. We find in Romans 6,7, and 8 that the fact is we have taken the focus of our faith off the cross and placed it in something else. Such as, water baptism, or 40 days of purpose, wearing a prayer shawl, or some other fad that preachers and churches come up with. Even speaking in tongues. The fact is that we are set free from sin by the means of the cross and nothing else. Fasting will not deliver you. The only thing that delivers is the same thing that saved you and that is the cross and nothing you can do except have faith in the cross.
 

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Not anymore really. In Lawrence vs TX the supreme court overturned a texas conviction based on an anti-sodomy law, for the most part negating all anti-sodomy laws in the US.
Despite the ruling there are 14 states that still have anti sodomy laws in the books.
 

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Umm After rereading that study,the results were not conclusive for that study . That was the conclusion of the those looking at the sample study. The better studies are below.

The importance of twin studies

N E Whitehead PHD

Better research, however, was based on twins who were recruited for other reasons, and only subsequently asked about their sexual orientation. These are known as "registry" studies, and they similarly gave a concordance rate between identical twins of less than 50%. There have been two major published registry studies (4,5), one based on the Minnesota Registry, the other on the Australian Registry. The larger of the two registry studies is the Australian one, done by Bailey, Martin and others at the University of Queensland. Using the 14,000+ Australian twin collection, they found that if one twin was homosexual, 38% of the time his identical brother was too. For lesbianism the concordance was 30%. Whether 30% or 50% concordance (snowball samples), all the studies agree it is clearly not 100%.
The critical factor is that if one identical twin is homosexual, only sometimes is the co-twin homosexual. There is no argument about this in the scientific community.

The Importance of Twin Studies



You know, no matter waht the fight still comes down to flesh or The spirit of God given to us by the resurrected Christ does it not? For what is the only way God can be worshipped today?
John 4:23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So tell me, when in the Spirit of God's Love, Which we are those that believe are by thefree gift from God, yet not all walk by this. and are thus caught up in theses fleshly fights, can anyone sin at all while they are inj the Spirit of God, dead to flesh?
What are the differances?
So if I am against Gays for what they do, then I am to not excuse anything that i Do do or have done or might do again yes?
[h=3]Romans 2:1-5[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? [SUP]5 [/SUP]But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,

[h=3]Galatians 5:7-26[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Love Fulfills the Law[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? [SUP]8 [/SUP]This persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]A little leaven leavens the whole lump. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I could wish that those who trouble you would even cut themselves off!
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another!
[h=3]Walking in the Spirit[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[SUP][b][/SUP] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders,[SUP][c][/SUP] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
 

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I myself believe that it is the power of suggestion and evil spirit that makes a person gay. power of suggestion meaning that social media, environment, peer pressure, puts that suggestion in their head and then they act on it.

I dont believe anyone is born gay. I believe that is a cop out for people do this sin and want to be "accepted" by the rest of us.
Do you think that power of suggestion that the enemy uses as like a needle full of heroin stops there or is used in keeping all under the power of sin, keeping us alive in the flesh and dead in the Spirit of God? For it is the flesh the Law of sin and death that controls us is it not? so what sets us free?
Romans 8:2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1 Corinthians 15:56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Could the above be any law one puts on themselves? You have a lot of insight so I ask, howdeep does this all go, does it stop at the homosexual threat? Is there a differance in sin, or is allsin the sin. Sin is sin no matter how big or small is there?
 
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...homosexuality is just plain wrong in the Eyes of God no matter how someone might try to dress it or hedge around it...simple as that - you can try to be instrumental in pointing someone to the right path in a cordial manner, but at the end of the day - the lifestyle is just plain wrong...
 

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Cain and Able most likely weren't twins.
By the way, we should be glad that Cain wasn't gay. ;)

what is the differance,
Romans 5:13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Romans 5:16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

death still occured did it not? Death of what? Spirit of god or flesh? even though flesh eventually died, and why, becuase it ios not whole? Man lost part of what was originally created in man, and that was the breath of life that God had breathed into Adam? today is restored if we will just beleive, we will see and thus recieve and choose not to harm anyone and listen the Holy Ghost and be led as Christ was led in Love for God his Father. Why are we focused on sinful behavior does this not cause more sin entrapment? Just curious because I see what sowing to does
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
 
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...homosexuality is just plain wrong in the Eyes of God no matter how someone might try to dress it or hedge around it...simple as that - you can try to be instrumental in pointing someone to the right path in a cordial manner, but at the end of the day - the lifestyle is just plain wrong...
Agreed,The why and when someone does something might help us to battle it but it will never change the issue of whether it is right or not in God's sight. This goes for any temptations that we face,part of the battle is not placing ourselves into situations where we are at our weakest. Not putting ourselves into places where the temptation is right in our face helps a whole lot.
 
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...homosexuality is just plain wrong in the Eyes of God no matter how someone might try to dress it or hedge around it...simple as that - you can try to be instrumental in pointing someone to the right path in a cordial manner, but at the end of the day - the lifestyle is just plain wrong...
Yes it is wrong in the natural.. But do you want God to judge us for our natural abilities? These are some of the fruits that God intended for us to produce only.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

Galatians 5:22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

Mark 3

4 Then Jesus asked them, “Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they remained silent.
5 He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man,“Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored. 6 Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
 

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The bible is CLEAR on the point of homosexuality as being WRONG in the Eyes of God; and a cause for them not entering into the kingdom of heaven - their can be NO DEBATE on that ... period !!!

Fornication is an English translators term used to describe about 4-5 greek words relating to it; 'pornos' being the worst (also translated as 'whoremonger' in KJV and 'sexually immoral' in more modern translations), but the strongs number is G4205 which means 'male prostitute' and also relates to the word 'effeminate' which is a 'catamite' ie: a young boy used by older men in a homosexual context...

...it is WRONG in the Eyes of God period, and is against HIS WILL, regardless of how many 'friends, relatives or neighbours' someone might have that 'are gay' and acceptable to them - God will not change his mind just because of this...
So you are not under any condemnation, your obeience is perfect and you discount God dying for you, and can excuse your sin and condem anothers hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shame on me if I condem anyone when I have been pardoned
 

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Please point out where that is any where in the Bible? Chapter and verse please.
only the Spirit of error where our warfare is and it is God who overcame for us if we will only believe, we will see and thus recieve and inresponse Love as God Loves as I see you do, all in Love to you Sister
 

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...in addition, its important to note, that what is against the Spirit of God is automatically rejected by Him, as that which is twisted cannot stand in His Presence - which is the Essence and Source of what is Straight and True; and subsequently comes under immediate judgement by its very nature which is - contrary to His...

...this is IMPORTANT to understand...VERY...
So your obedience is perfect? also very important to understand or maybe more so
 
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only the Spirit of error where our warfare is and it is God who overcame for us if we will only believe, we will see and thus recieve and inresponse Love as God Loves as I see you do, all in Love to you Sister
UMM Homeward,

What does that have to do with the question I asked? The question was in reference to someone who claims there is a spirit of homosexuality and what I asked was please show me where that is in the Bible.
 

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From what I have read of this thread, we must go to Romans 7. True believers are tormented by the sins the commit. Whether that sin be homo or drunkenness or pornography or whatever. We find in Romans 6,7, and 8 that the fact is we have taken the focus of our faith off the cross and placed it in something else. Such as, water baptism, or 40 days of purpose, wearing a prayer shawl, or some other fad that preachers and churches come up with. Even speaking in tongues. The fact is that we are set free from sin by the means of the cross and nothing else. Fasting will not deliver you. The only thing that delivers is the same thing that saved you and that is the cross and nothing you can do except have faith in the cross.
Awesomely truth and if the escape the only escape from this corrupted selfish world
 

homwardbound

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...homosexuality is just plain wrong in the Eyes of God no matter how someone might try to dress it or hedge around it...simple as that - you can try to be instrumental in pointing someone to the right path in a cordial manner, but at the end of the day - the lifestyle is just plain wrong...
So are your, mine and everyone that lies, sin caused death period and Christ brought life first by the death that seperated sin from death and then rose again to give life, so the best anyone can do is promote God's love, and say to all Thet God just love you, let that be your premise and have a relationship with God that God and youdecide what is good for youor not good for you. It is between God and me what I do or do not do. All things are permissable, yet not all thikngs are beneficial. So in haviing free choice we each are free to decide what is beneficial and what is not.
For maybe we need to re-read Romans from 1st chapter and get out from underneath the Law that shows all our inabilities in ever being perfect from our self works. Oh Boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To all God does just love you, respond to that please!!!!!!!!
 

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UMM Homeward,

What does that have to do with the question I asked? The question was in reference to someone who claims there is a spirit of homosexuality and what I asked was please show me where that is in the Bible.
So I showed what there is only, nothing else except the Spirit of error and is for us all to discern when we are being persuaded by this. It can be called the Spirit of this or that, but bottom line, The Spirit of error is at work in all Human beings through flesh and blood and is the only way it can get to me , you and anyone else? Why becuase
Romans 8:3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

The Battle is not against anything else except Flesh, and the Spirit of error,that injects thoughts of error that we either accept as good or bad and therefore we react on each other as in this is good and that is bad, and the flesh is at war acting as if it is good, when still to this very day only God is Good
That is what I see, that pertains to this. Take it or leave it, I mean no harm to anyone. Just food for thought in discerning either I speak from God's view point of Love given to all that beleive or not. Free choice and no condemnation from me to anyone, since God chose not to condemn me, this is the response I say to God "THANK YOU" and in further response love all as God has loved me by the cross. So simple yet so hard