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Bear in mind, anyone who converts to the faith of Abraham, be it gentile or Jew may be also construed as a Messianic Jew, providing they believe that Abraham is the spiritual father of all who believe. One has no need to be descended of Judah.
The important teaching is our Savior crucified for our sin, all our sin, and the accepting of His teaching from Genesis to the end of Revelation.
The important teaching is our Savior crucified for our sin, all our sin, and the accepting of His teaching from Genesis to the end of Revelation.
You must understand what you are reading to ask this question as though it relates to it. "may be also construed." I do not belong to any labeled religion, but I do know if anyone who is a non-Jew converts to Judahism, and then continues to learn of Messiah and believe, having never known Him, he may be construed as a Messianic Jew.
Now, who in their right mind would consider being called a Jew as something untoward? Our master was a Jew. He IS King of the Jews. Although I belong to no named religion, by this understanding, anyone may call me a Jew, and all I could say back it is halleluyah.
It seems mostly people who oppose anything Jewish, in the sense of being fulfilled in Messiah, are the ones who like to categorize all the brethren into their imagined cubby holes.
This post, and my previous stem from believing Jesus Christ, not a majority prejudice of uninformable individuals who will not allow others to worship in the manner they have been lead by first the Holy Spirit, and then pursuing truth in the writings.
If you have read the Old Testament, also called the Tenakh, you already know God says on many occaions, I am your Savior, and I am your King. Those who have not read this are free to not believe me, but it is their duty to the Father to learn this on their own. In so saying, declaring these two profound declarations, we see a little more clearly Who our Salvation is. We are baptized in His name. He is One. He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I know this for having embraced the Faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus Christ. His name means God's Salvation. Let us adore Him, and avoid quibbling about prejudged notions, or majority rule decisions not of the Holy Spirit. It is peer pressure that has brought on the great apostasy rampant this moment.
Now, who in their right mind would consider being called a Jew as something untoward? Our master was a Jew. He IS King of the Jews. Although I belong to no named religion, by this understanding, anyone may call me a Jew, and all I could say back it is halleluyah.
It seems mostly people who oppose anything Jewish, in the sense of being fulfilled in Messiah, are the ones who like to categorize all the brethren into their imagined cubby holes.
This post, and my previous stem from believing Jesus Christ, not a majority prejudice of uninformable individuals who will not allow others to worship in the manner they have been lead by first the Holy Spirit, and then pursuing truth in the writings.
If you have read the Old Testament, also called the Tenakh, you already know God says on many occaions, I am your Savior, and I am your King. Those who have not read this are free to not believe me, but it is their duty to the Father to learn this on their own. In so saying, declaring these two profound declarations, we see a little more clearly Who our Salvation is. We are baptized in His name. He is One. He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I know this for having embraced the Faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus Christ. His name means God's Salvation. Let us adore Him, and avoid quibbling about prejudged notions, or majority rule decisions not of the Holy Spirit. It is peer pressure that has brought on the great apostasy rampant this moment.
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Born again Christians believe all scripture as from the Lord. If these people do not believe that scripture is scripture, then they are not born again Christians, and have no place in a Christian discussion group, and I don't know why you feel compelled to bring them up.
You haven't answered my question about the first five books of the bible. Do you believe they are scripture? Born again Christians do, they study them to know Christ better. Do you?
You haven't answered my question about the first five books of the bible. Do you believe they are scripture? Born again Christians do, they study them to know Christ better. Do you?
A Messianic Jew, JaumeJ, is a Jew who professes to know Christ Jesus in a special cult, as being a chosen people of God, who is greater than a normal non Jewish Christian! Whether they are a non-Jew who has converted to Judaism or a Jew.
The Jews today are no longer God's chosen people, Messianic Judaism is a cult, who tries to come in to the Kingdom of God through the back door of Judaism!
Jesus said, that He was the door, and anyone who tried to come in to the Kingdom any other way was a thief and a liar! The Apostles Peter, Paul, and John were all Jews of this last generation of Old Covenant Israel, none of them were Messianic Jews; they were just Christians! Or, as they referred to themselves as in or of The Way!
Paul and several other writers of the New Testament had to engage in several difficulties in different churches concerning grievances between Gentiles and Jews; or having to explain to Gentiles the history of Israel from Adam to Adam. And at every turn these things are taken out of context, so people can push their foolish agendas!
Messianic Judaism is a Cult!
So use all of the scenarios you like to justify what you've been taught,
but it just is what it is!
Messianic Judaism is not taught by the Holy Spirit,
so I suggest you take your own wisdom to heart!
just some of my thoughts
The Jews today are no longer God's chosen people, Messianic Judaism is a cult, who tries to come in to the Kingdom of God through the back door of Judaism!
Jesus said, that He was the door, and anyone who tried to come in to the Kingdom any other way was a thief and a liar! The Apostles Peter, Paul, and John were all Jews of this last generation of Old Covenant Israel, none of them were Messianic Jews; they were just Christians! Or, as they referred to themselves as in or of The Way!
Paul and several other writers of the New Testament had to engage in several difficulties in different churches concerning grievances between Gentiles and Jews; or having to explain to Gentiles the history of Israel from Adam to Adam. And at every turn these things are taken out of context, so people can push their foolish agendas!
Messianic Judaism is a Cult!
So use all of the scenarios you like to justify what you've been taught,
but it just is what it is!
Messianic Judaism is not taught by the Holy Spirit,
so I suggest you take your own wisdom to heart!
just some of my thoughts
I have shown your statements as untrue, I even numbered them. Did you resent my asking you if you believed in the Torah, even though you don't even question me, you just judge and accuse. This should be a place Christians could go to discuss scripture. Not a place where I am put on your block for accusations without allowances for self defense.
You want to have a blown out contention. I could carry this on and on to allow you to fan the flames of an argument that should not exist.
Do you not know the Gate of the enemies of Abraham's descendants was promised to Abraham in Genesis? Of course Jesus Christ is that Door, that Gate.
I know I understand exactly what you are trying to teach as true, but just as well I know that what I have learned, is not because I wish to please flesh. This should not be about me and you. This forum is supposed to be for people to discuss the Word, not personalities, or how an individual has been called.
Once more there is the demonizing of one of the many religions claiming to follow Jesus Christ, that being what you call the Cult of the Mesianic Jews. Once more I pass on to you, anyone who believes Jesus Christ, may be called Christian, Jew, Messianic Jew, Catholic, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, and much more.............but the truth, the only truth is the Word of God, Yahweh. I hope His Hebrew name does not get your dander up.
I will always have a place in my heart for Jews, and not just a special place or a little place, my whole heart. I await our Father's plans for all of them, and I accuse none. Accusing is the work of the enemy.
May God bless you and hold you close forever, amen. I am disassociating myself with this thread because of this back and forth contention.
Do you not know the Gate of the enemies of Abraham's descendants was promised to Abraham in Genesis? Of course Jesus Christ is that Door, that Gate.
I know I understand exactly what you are trying to teach as true, but just as well I know that what I have learned, is not because I wish to please flesh. This should not be about me and you. This forum is supposed to be for people to discuss the Word, not personalities, or how an individual has been called.
Once more there is the demonizing of one of the many religions claiming to follow Jesus Christ, that being what you call the Cult of the Mesianic Jews. Once more I pass on to you, anyone who believes Jesus Christ, may be called Christian, Jew, Messianic Jew, Catholic, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, and much more.............but the truth, the only truth is the Word of God, Yahweh. I hope His Hebrew name does not get your dander up.
I will always have a place in my heart for Jews, and not just a special place or a little place, my whole heart. I await our Father's plans for all of them, and I accuse none. Accusing is the work of the enemy.
May God bless you and hold you close forever, amen. I am disassociating myself with this thread because of this back and forth contention.
Which Jesus Christ. . .the one of the Messianic Jew's fabrication,
or the one presented in the entire NT, all epistles included.
And we know that truth only through the Scriptures, which includes all the NT epistles, most of which Messianic Jews reject.
The Hebrew name is not the problem, rejection of a large part of the NT is the problem.
Which does not address their rejection of most of the NT (i.e., the epistles).
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