The meaty part

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

Earlmayknowornot

Banned
#23
Feb 17, 2013
1,034
9
0
#23
I need your help on some of these threads. I can't stand alone. I need a Brother .
 
M

mark54

Banned
#24
Jan 11, 2013
2,256
17
0
#24
Earlmayknowornot said:
I need your help on some of these threads. I can't stand alone. I need a Brother .
Click to expand...
None of us should stand alone, but it may be wise to pick the less contentious threads to get involved in, unless you are extremely thick skinned
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
#25
Oct 13, 2011
4,621
281
83
#25
mark54 said:
...However, there is a justification Paul speaks of that we seek in Christ, once we have come and accepted Christ as our Lord and Saviour. We come as slaves to sin, but we have to be changed into slaves of righteousness, and this happens Paul tells the Romans by following the form of teaching to which they were entrusted(Rom6:16&17)
There are some sins which have to be dealt with, no one will be perfect in the flesh on this earth, but the new convert seeks to be justified in respoect of being contrlolled by sin(sin being their master) to a place where they can be slaves of righteousness

IE, a person accepts Christ into tjheir life as Lord and Saviour, they are an alcoholic. The alcoholic is not told their instant justification is at risk if the drinking does not immediately cease, but at the same time it is not possible for them to get drunk every day for the rest of their life now they have had initial justification in Christ. So there are sins that have to be dealt with if the Christian is to cross over from being a slave of sin unto a slave of righteousness, Paul speaks of this in the following

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotwes sin?
Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17
Paul is speaking of us seeking justification by faith in Christ, not striving to obey the law, in respect of laying off the sins which by their very naturee stop a person crossing over from being a slave of sin to a slave of righteousness
But this process and the ongoing sanctification is by faith in Christ, and the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us,(Rom15:16) and this is a process that continues the whole of our lives
Click to expand...
Again, we must never confuse fruit with condition. The fruit of this man's justification will lead him to lay away his alcoholism. It is not a condition for him to maintain his justification. He is not able to keep himself in his justified state, but God is.

Jude.1

[24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Click to expand...
 
7

7seven7

Guest
#26
#26
mark54 said:
None of us should stand alone, but it may be wise to pick the less contentious threads to get involved in, unless you are extremely thick skinned
Click to expand...
If you don't have thick skin, it'll soon thicken in this place ! lol Trust me
 
E

Earlmayknowornot

Banned
#27
Feb 17, 2013
1,034
9
0
#27
mark54 said:
None of us should stand alone, but it may be wise to pick the less contentious threads to get involved in, unless you are extremely thick skinned
Click to expand...
I have argued with many folks and found it fruitless . However I find that your statements are fruitful and enjoy arguing with you.
 
M

mark54

Banned
#28
Jan 11, 2013
2,256
17
0
#28
tribesman said:
Again, we must never confuse fruit with condition. The fruit of this man's justification will lead him to lay away his alcoholism. It is not a condition for him to maintain his justification. He is not able to keep himself in his justified state, but God is.
Click to expand...
It is absolutely vital, I agree, that the new convert understands the only condition for his justification is faith in Christ, he must not look at the sin with the view, that unless it ceases he will lose his justificiation, there is no victory over sin in such a view. However, in that knowledge, and standing by faith in Christ it is an absolute truth that he must cross over from him being a slave of sin unto a slave of righteousness, for it is not possible to come to Christ an alcoholic and a womaniser for example and remain in that state for the whole of your Christian life.
And it is that justification Paul speeaks of in Gal2:16&17
 
Last edited:
pickles

pickles

Senior Member
#29
Apr 20, 2009
14,479
182
63
#29
7seven7 said:
If you don't have thick skin, it'll soon thicken in this place ! lol Trust me
Click to expand...
One does not have to have thick skin, or ever stand alone. :)
For we stand in Jesus, and we do all done as unto the Lord.
So any attack is done against , that which is done unto the Lord.
And we live not in flesh, but in Jesus's Spirit.
So what offence can affect us, if the offence, is against what is given to Jesus! :)
For all we are, all given, all served, is His glory!
Hope this helps. :)

God bless
pickles
 
E

Earlmayknowornot

Banned
#30
Feb 17, 2013
1,034
9
0
#30
Unless that person truly loves the Lord and hates what they are doing. All Believers fail and can become bound. even though they hate what they are doing. when we are saved the desire of sin is broken and when we fall into sin we hate it. That is the difference between a believer and a sinner.
 
M

mark54

Banned
#31
Jan 11, 2013
2,256
17
0
#31
7seven7 said:
If you don't have thick skin, it'll soon thicken in this place ! lol Trust me
Click to expand...
You ain't seen nothing yet!

I always found people in the churches I have been to polite and friendly, I don't think I'd ever heard of words like hetetic, Apostate etc, but internet Christian websites are another matter entirely
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
#32
Oct 13, 2011
4,621
281
83
#32
mark54 said:
It is absolutely vital, I agree, that the new convert understands the only condition for his justification is faith in Christ, he must not look at the sin with the view, that unless it ceases he will lose his justificiation, there is no victory over sin in such a view. However, in that knowledge, and standing by faith in Christ it is an absolute truth that he must cross over from him being a slave of sin unto a slave of righteousness, for it is not possible to come to Christ an alcoholic and a womaniser for example and remain in that state for the whole of your Christian life.
And it is that justification Paul speeaks of in Gal2:16&17
Click to expand...
Being a slave under something means one's will is not that important of going in our out of the slavery.
 
M

mark54

Banned
#33
Jan 11, 2013
2,256
17
0
#33
tribesman said:
Being a slave under something means one's will is not that important of going in our out of the slavery.
Click to expand...
Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? [SUP]17 [/SUP]But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. [SUP]18 [/SUP]You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Rom6:15-18

We go out of the slavery, by looking to Christ and trusting him, and relying on the sanctification of the Spirit.
Our will to actually determine for us to do the changing is a pointless exercise, I would agree with you, but the Spirit within us enables us to look to Christ and trust him to do for us what we cannot do for ourselves, we look away from self and to Christ
 
Last edited:
E

Earlmayknowornot

Banned
#34
Feb 17, 2013
1,034
9
0
#34
If your looking for something perfect don't look in the mirror or the church cause you won't find it.
 
pickles

pickles

Senior Member
#36
Apr 20, 2009
14,479
182
63
#36
I dont know if I have enough understanding yet.
But your right about will, it is what binds us.
Humilty, setting aside one's will for God's will, with full faith in God's will, knowing that all God does is trustworthy and perfect.
This is the true freedom sought in Jesus.

God bless
pickles
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
#37
Oct 13, 2011
4,621
281
83
#37
I understand. IF we get definitions strait and then apply scripture.
Less bullying can be done. Very well:p who needs unity? Yuk!
Click to expand...
Abiding, derailing the thread with his attack mode. Definitions are straight and scripture applied. What you think about it is unimportant. A person who mock the posts of others are not the right person to speak about bullying. "Unity"? You won't trick me. That's not what you are looking for. Like said, I see it as meaningless to talk to you as you are a lonely sailor who represent nothing but yourself and your picks of likes and dislikes from the smorgasbord, not willing to decide for or commit to anything. We were already done talking. Repent.
 
tribesman

tribesman

Senior Member
#38
Oct 13, 2011
4,621
281
83
#38
pickles said:
I dont know if I have enough understanding yet.
But your right about will, it is what binds us.
Humilty, setting aside one's will for God's will, with full faith in God's will, knowing that all God does is trustworthy and perfect.
This is the true freedom sought in Jesus.

God bless
pickles
Click to expand...
Man wants to be in control. Thanks God he isn't!

Deut.10

[14] Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD's thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is.
Click to expand...
 
A

Abiding

Guest
#39
#39
tribesman said:
Abiding, derailing the thread with his attack mode. Definitions are straight and scripture applied. What you think about it is unimportant. A person who mock the posts of others are not the right person to speak about bullying. "Unity"? You won't trick me. That's not what you are looking for. Like said, I see it as meaningless to talk to you as you are a lonely sailor who represent nothing but yourself and your picks of likes and dislikes from the smorgasbord, not willing to decide for or commit to anything. We were already done talking. Repent.
Click to expand...
Wow what an oversensitive spooked fella you are. In no way was i derailing your thread.
But since i can tell you have major incorrect presumptions to the point of making me out
to be whatever you think ill sure let you have your thread without me here to bug you out:p

But ive been honest with you, that im new to calvinism, and so far its not that im not willing
to commit as if im queezy or something. Its more at this point that im committed to look at
it as a philosophy maintaining credibility these days mostly by force and evasion with/by
misleading rhetoric. And havnt seen a calvinist yet who will be forthright in their beliefs
or face the implications their theology goes. Other than hate. Which in fact is one of the implications.

Bye bye!
 
pickles

pickles

Senior Member
#40
Apr 20, 2009
14,479
182
63
#40
tribesman said:
Man wants to be in control. Thanks God he isn't!
Click to expand...
We think we need to be, just flesh I guess.
But , when one is able to set all aside, it is more than can be spoken to, for words will limit that which is infinite.
God's word somes it up. I am!
This is trully where one enters freedom , through Jesus.
I know, maby not making much sence, just , lots of learning how to set aside all, for will, knowladge, wisdom, they are dust compared to the Glory of God.
My weakness is I keep thinking, and then when I am able to stop thinking, I still want to hold onto something.
That is where Jesus is the way. :)
Thats why scripture is so important, if we try to explain, our words will falter, fail.

God bless
pickles
 
You must log in or register to reply here.