The MOST CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT MADE
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You do realize those that baptism saves you because of the action of God, not because of your action of obedience. Also, what action does God do? What does God give to man through this baptism? Shall we call it grace, because it is grace that saves us?
So...
a. Baptism Saves
b. Because of a bestowing of grace by God and not of the work of human hands
Who believes this?
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
So...
a. Baptism Saves
b. Because of a bestowing of grace by God and not of the work of human hands
Who believes this?
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
No, my definition of baptism is based upon the GREEK WORD and what it means.....Not my fault false religions took the Greek word and TRANSLITERATED the word with ENGLISH letters.....
BAPTIZO=DIP or IMMERSE
RANTIZO=SPRINKLE<--------NEVER USED in connection with IMMERSION
JOHN THE DIPPER...not JOHN the sprinkling CATHOLIC!
LOOSE your pride and accept truth...it will set you free from your heretical religion...NO OFFENCE MEANT!
BAPTIZO=DIP or IMMERSE
RANTIZO=SPRINKLE<--------NEVER USED in connection with IMMERSION
JOHN THE DIPPER...not JOHN the sprinkling CATHOLIC!
LOOSE your pride and accept truth...it will set you free from your heretical religion...NO OFFENCE MEANT!
I say that the bible states clearly that no murderer hath eternal life dwelling in him...the thief was being put to death for thievery and murder....he could not have been saved and or immersed before he met Jesus on the cross that day....they will also say that he is an example of salvation under the O.T. and I say...The law and the prophets were until John....John was dead and gone...Jesus had called forth his church...spoken of in the present tense twice at least and is an example of biblical salvation without immersion as IMMERSION has nothing to do with it......
Please slow down and re-read what I wrote. For if you were to read what I had written, you would see that Scripture is saying you are not saved in baptism in regards to the filth of the flesh; I.e. sin.
You say that like it is supposed to impress me. What about Jesus or the Holy Spirit? In other words, you are not giving true credit where credit is due. For no man can lay any other foundation but Christ. For Christ is the Rock.
You say that like it is supposed to impress me. What about Jesus or the Holy Spirit? In other words, you are not giving true credit where credit is due. For no man can lay any other foundation but Christ. For Christ is the Rock.
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Look at what the thief said, we deserve our punishment but this man has done nothing wrong, Lord (that the key) when you come in to your Kingdom( exemplified faith) remember me. Jesus said to the thief " today you will be with me in Paradise".
Jesus will accept you just as you are it is your faith that is key and not water. This thing is debunked and has been debunked for 100 years, But people will cling to their sacred cow no matter what.
Jesus will accept you just as you are it is your faith that is key and not water. This thing is debunked and has been debunked for 100 years, But people will cling to their sacred cow no matter what.
anyone with half a brain would understand there was contention in the church and some were forming cliques ..Paul wanted no part of it...that is why he said it...
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
he is not speaking against baptism but against division... look at vs 13....three questions which all ties the believer to Christ....(1)... is Christ divided?...no...(2).... was Paul crucified for you?...no... (3)... were you baptised in the name of Paul?...no...If baptism was not as important as ....the unity in Christ and the crucifixion of Christ...do you think Paul would have asked ...were you baptised in the name of Paul?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
he is not speaking against baptism but against division... look at vs 13....three questions which all ties the believer to Christ....(1)... is Christ divided?...no...(2).... was Paul crucified for you?...no... (3)... were you baptised in the name of Paul?...no...If baptism was not as important as ....the unity in Christ and the crucifixion of Christ...do you think Paul would have asked ...were you baptised in the name of Paul?
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Those that believe water baptism must be done to be saved simply don't understand scripture. Not only are they not ready for "strong meat", they're choking on milk. We are following an example set by Christ. Did Christ get baptized so HE would be saved? We do it for the same reason, so why did He do it?
Amen and as an Identifier....Jesus was already the son of God by birth (Holy Spirit) and came to be identified as such by the outward testimony of who he was and is inwardly....It is our public profession of an inward conversion...it identifies us with God and disassociates us from the guilty world. Just like Peter compares it to the flood...the water did not save NOAH, but rather separated him from the world that perished....THE ARK covered within and without with PITCH (picture of the blood) is what saved Noah and his family....not the WATER.....!
Score one for Phil....when are u gonna get a real chain saw HAHHAHAH STIHL for me the whole way
Score one for Phil....when are u gonna get a real chain saw HAHHAHAH STIHL for me the whole way
The Father drew me to the Son by the work of the Holy Spirit. I responded by faith.
I was an alcoholic. Overnight I was delivered from alcohol.
I was into porn. Bam. It was gone.
My life changed radically. The peace that passes all understanding and the joy of The Lord was mine. My stress and anxiety was gone.
I knew I was lost but now I am saved. I just didn't know that my sins were not forgiven yet according to many.
I spent the next 9 months winning souls to Christ. I had no idea that I was deceiving them by telling them that their sins would be forgiven and new life would be theirs by trusting in Jesus.
I finally got baptized. It was a blessing. But I didn't feel any cleaner than I already felt.
Now my question is this. If I had died before I hit the water, would I have gone to hell? Well if I had, that last 9 months of my life was the most exciting and awesome time of my life. I was head over heals in love with Jesus and witnessing to a lost world, by the power of the Holy Spirit, His eternal truths, His gospel of forgiveness and salvation.
So I guess I was saved and preaching salvation by grace, His mercy, His forgiveness, but if the truth be told, I just wasn't forgiven yet. Sins not remitted. Hell to pay...as it were. Bummer!
I was an alcoholic. Overnight I was delivered from alcohol.
I was into porn. Bam. It was gone.
My life changed radically. The peace that passes all understanding and the joy of The Lord was mine. My stress and anxiety was gone.
I knew I was lost but now I am saved. I just didn't know that my sins were not forgiven yet according to many.
I spent the next 9 months winning souls to Christ. I had no idea that I was deceiving them by telling them that their sins would be forgiven and new life would be theirs by trusting in Jesus.
I finally got baptized. It was a blessing. But I didn't feel any cleaner than I already felt.
Now my question is this. If I had died before I hit the water, would I have gone to hell? Well if I had, that last 9 months of my life was the most exciting and awesome time of my life. I was head over heals in love with Jesus and witnessing to a lost world, by the power of the Holy Spirit, His eternal truths, His gospel of forgiveness and salvation.
So I guess I was saved and preaching salvation by grace, His mercy, His forgiveness, but if the truth be told, I just wasn't forgiven yet. Sins not remitted. Hell to pay...as it were. Bummer!
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