The MOST CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT MADE
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Yeah, Jesus.
Notice. Condemnation is NOT because one had faith and did not get baptized (in water) It was solely on unbelief! This to use this verse to support baptismal regeneration by water is a faulty attempt.
Second. One must assume that means water baptism, and not the baptism John himself prophesied (He will baptize with the HS and fire)
All the people who heard john would have been looking for that baptism. Not some baptism in water
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Jesus actually says two of the most powerful statements about our salvation and both are quoted often and both are disregarded when we "try" to add anything to the "finished" work of Christ.
John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
No works added no baptism by water added.
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
No works added no baptism by water added.
So where does our salvation come from? Christ alone! So if Jesus Himself told us its only through Him how can we add works or baptism and expect to "help" Christ save us.
John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
No works added no baptism by water added.
John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son."
No works added no baptism by water added.
So where does our salvation come from? Christ alone! So if Jesus Himself told us its only through Him how can we add works or baptism and expect to "help" Christ save us.
No doubt for sure.....
O.T.--->circumcision is the outward sign of the inward covenant of FAITH...came after faith but did not give nor secure faith
N.T.--->immersion is the outward sign of the inward covenant of faith....comes after faith/salvation and does not add to or secure salvation which is a present reality before immersion
Simple truths overlooked by those who will trust into works and or a picture over the actual faith of the one (Jesus) who is doing the saving......!
Well Jabber, perhaps he meant that the text actually says, Repent ye (plural), and be baptized everyone (singular) of you, and ye (plural) shall . . . .
Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each
with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
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John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
We simply must conform the odd rare verse to the abundant consistent teaching of scripture.
Μετανοήσατε, [φησίν,] καὶ βαπτισθήτω ἕκαστος ὑμῶν ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν ὑμῶν καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
Μετανοήσατε = repent ye (plural), change your mind,
[φησίν,] = he says
καὶ βαπτισθήτω = and be baptized [(singular) [in the Holy Spirit]
ἕκαστος each (singular)
ὑμῶν = of you (plural)
ἐπὶ τῷ ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ
εἰς = preposition of several meanings & debated
ἄφεσιν τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν = forgiveness of the sins
ὑμῶν = of you (your)
καὶ λήμψεσθε τὴν δωρεὰν τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος.
= and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Years ago I had an excellent Bible teacher who argued that the grammar (singular vs plural) ruled out connecting the singular each
with the forgiveness of your (plural) sins. But I am sure he was wrong, as "each of you" is just another way of referring to the same plural group by the individuals in it.
Nevertheless, the context is Spirit baptism, not water baptism. Spirit baptism is salvific, but not water. The preposition eis does not have to indicate that the forgiveness is the result of what precedes.
But on determining the doctrine of salvation, it should be noted that the following words do not occur here: save, salvation, Savior, or saved. And it must be noted that since there is such an abundance of scripture offering salvation for merely believing (so famous as John 3:16), nothing besides faith/belief/trust in the Savior, can be essential to salvation; or God would be guilty of false advertising. So this unusual verse is not the place from which to start on the doctrine of salvation. This verse must conform to the multitude of other passages which do not mention water immersion, yet offer salvation merely for believing. Whosoever believes, everyone who believes, anyone who believes -- language of that nature, rules out that anything other than believing can be essential for salvation.
It seems to be, BTW, that most of the persons who go on about water baptism saving, think that faith is believing that something is so (like endorsing some doctrinal statement). But saving faith is depending on the Savior, not being convinced that X is true.
Luke 8:11-12
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 And those by the way side are they that have heard; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:14-18
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; 15 that
whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life. 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
John 5:24
2Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life, and cometh not into judgment, but hath passed out of death into life.
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31a
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, . . . .
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER][/FONT]
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
We simply must conform the odd rare verse to the abundant consistent teaching of scripture.
Mark 16:16 (NKJV) He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
and don't give me the "notice the second half of the verse", they are two complete independent clauses, and logical, I would be glad to lay out the simple logic for you if you wish?
Well the element of both clauses is BELIEVE not water.....so...lets us break this down...which one do you believe in....
a. Jesus Christ paying your sin debt on the cross by his shed blood, death, burial and resurrection or
b. The picture of what Jesus has done......
The PICTURE does not save, but is a PICTURE of what actually does the saving.....BELIEF into the ACTUAL act of what Christ has done.....
a. Jesus Christ paying your sin debt on the cross by his shed blood, death, burial and resurrection or
b. The picture of what Jesus has done......
The PICTURE does not save, but is a PICTURE of what actually does the saving.....BELIEF into the ACTUAL act of what Christ has done.....
(Act 22:16)
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
As by the direction of Jesus, WE Wash the outside, (repentance/baptism water. Not a "work"). A simple "being born of water and the Word" rite appointed by Jesus, with obvious meaning to most who know scriptures and love them.
A basic principal as here;
(Mat 23:26)
Thoublind Pharisee, cleanse first thatwhich iswithin the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
We don't confuse it with "works". (whoever heard of such a thing anyway? Strawman...)
We most definitely participate in our own salvation, by obeying our end of the Covenant requirements, all such as they are; they are joyful to the redeemed We read of joyful acts of the redeemed in fulling all the Law in Love one toward another and SHOWING it! My Word, that isn't even a valid topic to put "our response" in a bad light by calling it "works"! That is ridiculous and argumentative and decisive and what is the point? It is an ugly argument, no place in the Lord for this nonsense.
Jesus tells us to do something here. Is this verse "works"?
(Mat 6:20)
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
of course not. How about this verse or any of the following verses, do we cringe because it indicates "works" to us? (Maybe you should cringe if you think of it. I do personally. I always wish I had more and more Holy Spirit of Jesus to Shine out of this flesh body. All the time I desire more...)
How about these verses, if we follow Jesus here, is it "works" that we are going to speak against doing as if it is some sort of sacriledge?
(Mar 9:50)
Saltisgood: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
(Luk 12:33)
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
(Luk 16:9)
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
(Luk 17:3)
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
(Joh 6:43)
Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
(Act 2:40)
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
(Act 20:28)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
So on and so forth. Things we are directly told to do things. We are told to have communion also. Baptism and Communion... both have deep spiritual meaning, And both are explicitly things we are told to do by Jesus and the Apostles. Both begin with a natural, then a spiritual expression following. Water/bread & wine. Then the fullness follows, (and won't without our wiling obedience...) of Baptism of the Holy Spirit/eating His Body, drinking His Blood. See how it works? HahAA!!
So none of that, not ONE of those things is "works". Good to know huh, clears up a lot of confusion
Thank you Jesus for giving us the two rites of water baptism and communion that we wash ourselves to you into death to our old life, self-sacrificing ourselves as you did, and raising up into Resurrection Life out of the Water into the Spirit and into your Blood by bread and wine OOOOOOO you are so beautiful thank you for giving us these beautiful WORKS in your New Covenant in you Blood to all of Israel thank you Messiah!
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
As by the direction of Jesus, WE Wash the outside, (repentance/baptism water. Not a "work"). A simple "being born of water and the Word" rite appointed by Jesus, with obvious meaning to most who know scriptures and love them.
A basic principal as here;
(Mat 23:26)
Thoublind Pharisee, cleanse first thatwhich iswithin the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
We don't confuse it with "works". (whoever heard of such a thing anyway? Strawman...)
We most definitely participate in our own salvation, by obeying our end of the Covenant requirements, all such as they are; they are joyful to the redeemed
We read of joyful acts of the redeemed in fulling all the Law in Love one toward another and SHOWING it! My Word, that isn't even a valid topic to put "our response" in a bad light by calling it "works"! That is ridiculous and argumentative and decisive and what is the point? It is an ugly argument, no place in the Lord for this nonsense.Jesus tells us to do something here. Is this verse "works"?
(Mat 6:20)
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
of course not. How about this verse or any of the following verses, do we cringe because it indicates "works" to us? (Maybe you should cringe if you think of it. I do personally. I always wish I had more and more Holy Spirit of Jesus to Shine out of this flesh body. All the time I desire more...)
How about these verses, if we follow Jesus here, is it "works" that we are going to speak against doing as if it is some sort of sacriledge?
(Mar 9:50)
Saltisgood: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
(Luk 12:33)
Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
(Luk 16:9)
And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.
(Luk 17:3)
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
(Joh 6:43)
Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
(Act 2:40)
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
(Act 20:28)
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
So on and so forth. Things we are directly told to do things. We are told to have communion also. Baptism and Communion... both have deep spiritual meaning, And both are explicitly things we are told to do by Jesus and the Apostles. Both begin with a natural, then a spiritual expression following. Water/bread & wine. Then the fullness follows, (and won't without our wiling obedience...) of Baptism of the Holy Spirit/eating His Body, drinking His Blood. See how it works? HahAA!!
So none of that, not ONE of those things is "works". Good to know huh, clears up a lot of confusion
Thank you Jesus for giving us the two rites of water baptism and communion that we wash ourselves to you into death to our old life, self-sacrificing ourselves as you did, and raising up into Resurrection Life out of the Water into the Spirit and into your Blood by bread and wine OOOOOOO you are so beautiful thank you for giving us these beautiful WORKS in your New Covenant in you Blood to all of Israel thank you Messiah!
(Mark 16:16 [NKJV])
“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
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Now to the second half, if one does not believe, then baptism would not be required as they are already lost, no one thing will save you, baptism requires belief, belief requires baptism for Saved to be true.
Simple logic.
“He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
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[TD]Baptized = false[/TD]
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[TD]Believe = false[/TD]
[TD]Baptized = true[/TD]
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Now to the second half, if one does not believe, then baptism would not be required as they are already lost, no one thing will save you, baptism requires belief, belief requires baptism for Saved to be true.
Simple logic.
Now watch how the wolves tear that up
Go gettem' you work haters hAHaaAA!!
Go gettem' you work haters hAHaaAA!!
LOST-->hear the word-->trust the word (faith)-->saved, justified, sanctified and sealed-->USABLE for the WORKS that are the direct result of biblical faith......!
Now watch how the wolves tear that up
Go gettem' you work haters hAHaaAA!!
Go gettem' you work haters hAHaaAA!!
Lost-->hear the word-->believe the word (faith)--->saved, sealed, justified, sanctified (set apart)--do the works that follow BIBLICAL SALVATION including the first act of OBEDIENCE and the first work of RIGHTEOUSNESS which is immersion!