The MOST CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENT MADE
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nce twist. That is not what it says.
It says condemnation is ONLY because of unbelief. And you assume baptise in the first part is water.. You would be wrong. Or Jesus screwed up in john.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Why did Jesus leave baptism out if it is required. did he make a mistake and contradict himself (in mark)
Or was he not talking about water baptism in mark, but spiritual baptism? Which would make Mark and Johns comments be in complete agreement.
It says condemnation is ONLY because of unbelief. And you assume baptise in the first part is water.. You would be wrong. Or Jesus screwed up in john.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Why did Jesus leave baptism out if it is required. did he make a mistake and contradict himself (in mark)
Or was he not talking about water baptism in mark, but spiritual baptism? Which would make Mark and Johns comments be in complete agreement.
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ROMANS 5:1,2
Will any of yinz actually read it? Or because it doesn't mention baptism as justification it's irrelevant?
And yet again yinz gotta actually read what we say and stop assuming we are saying "don't get baptized" and "don't do good works".
WE HAVE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT!!!!
Is that loud enough for yinz?
Will any of yinz actually read it? Or because it doesn't mention baptism as justification it's irrelevant?
And yet again yinz gotta actually read what we say and stop assuming we are saying "don't get baptized" and "don't do good works".
WE HAVE NEVER ONCE SAID THAT!!!!
Is that loud enough for yinz?
Scream it a little louder for the others, though.. I don't think they heard ya..lol 
James says different...
[h=1]James 2:21-25King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[h=1]James 2:21-25King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
and what exactly are you saved from....imagine you save a man from drowning and he goes around telling everyone he is still drowning....imagine Christ saved you from sin and you go around telling everyone you are a sinner...did he not tell you sin no more?.........
Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
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Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Romans 5:1 "Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Romans 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
1 Cor 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
Gal 2:116 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
Gal 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by faith."
You keep referring to Matthew 16:16. How about you read the rest of the Bible too.
Romans 5:1 "Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"
Romans 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
1 Cor 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
Gal 2:116 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
Gal 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ that we might be justified by faith."
You keep referring to Matthew 16:16. How about you read the rest of the Bible too.
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I will add Romans 4:2,3 "If in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about-but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. "
Maybe you are reading James in the wrong context? Actually you are reading James in the wrong context.
Maybe you are reading James in the wrong context? Actually you are reading James in the wrong context.