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So thats how you operate. Ok thats cool
Just read all the script I posted lol. Again, nobody needs believe what I believe. But I'm glad that I do.
My belief doesn't have to be a focus group or some sort of intervention. I have plenty, an abundance, of reasons not to sin. an abundance of reasons to forgive. And an abundance of understanding that leads me to a peace of mind that people rarely find in life. And that's all I really need. I thank God for giving me those things.
And again, I started speaking so that perhaps I could share that peace. That was my intent before all of this bickering sort of thing started.
You sound hurt and with an anxious heart. Not being able to trust people can be very disheartening. Take a walk or eat some ice cream. Find that peace only God can give. Once you have that, share it with others. Do not continue to harden your heart because people have hurt you. Like you I have my days. Remember that God wants us to love one another. If someone hurt you do not hurt back, ask Jesus yo give you strength and peace. And when you're there, preach the gospel, if need to, use words.
God bless!
God bless!
I hope you don't mind me coming in here? When Jesus spoke about Hell in the Sermon on the Mount he was speaking about Gehenna which is a valley just outside Jerusalem, not far from where they were when Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount. This is where pagans sacrificed their own children by fire. This was satanic worship carried out by people whose souls were dead and this is what Jesus was warning about because by following Satan they were dead in both body and soul, literally.
I felt as though I wanted to reply because it was said God destroys the soul whereas it is God who makes the soul alive and Satan or our own wickedness if people prefer that that destroys the soul.
CLICK HERE for Gehenna
G1067 is the Greek word Gehenna and as you can see it is translated as hell in our bible.
Mat 5:22 KJV - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell[1067] fire.
Mat 5:29 KJV - And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell[1067].
Mat 5:30 KJV - And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off , and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell[1067].
Mat 10:28 KJV - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell[1067].
Mat 18:9 KJV - And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell[1067] fire.
Mat 23:15 KJV - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made , ye make him twofold more the child of hell[1067] than yourselves.
Mat 23:33 KJV - [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell[1067]?
Mar 9:43 KJV - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell[1067], into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:45 KJV - And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell[1067], into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:47 KJV - And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out : it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell[1067] fire:
Luk 12:5 KJV - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear : Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell[1067]; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Jam 3:6 KJV - And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell[1067].
I felt as though I wanted to reply because it was said God destroys the soul whereas it is God who makes the soul alive and Satan or our own wickedness if people prefer that that destroys the soul.
CLICK HERE for Gehenna
G1067 is the Greek word Gehenna and as you can see it is translated as hell in our bible.
Mat 5:22 KJV - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say , Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell[1067] fire.
Mat 5:29 KJV - And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell[1067].
Mat 5:30 KJV - And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off , and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish , and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell[1067].
Mat 10:28 KJV - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell[1067].
Mat 18:9 KJV - And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out , and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell[1067] fire.
Mat 23:15 KJV - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made , ye make him twofold more the child of hell[1067] than yourselves.
Mat 23:33 KJV - [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell[1067]?
Mar 9:43 KJV - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell[1067], into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:45 KJV - And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off : it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell[1067], into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:47 KJV - And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out : it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell[1067] fire:
Luk 12:5 KJV - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear : Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell[1067]; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
Jam 3:6 KJV - And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell[1067].
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Assuming soul means breath of life then there is nothing left which means total annihilation. This happens everyday at the crematorium and this is what the Bible says about the grave or Hades.
1) We came from dust and will return to dust. (The grave) (Genesis 3:19)
2) We return to the earth and our thoughts perish. (The grave) (Psalms 146:4)
3) The soul that sins will die. (And return to the earth) (Eze 18:20)
4) In the grave, the dead "know nothing," neither pleasure nor pain, and there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. (Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 10)
5) People who don't believe in Christ shall not receive eternal life. (John 3:16)
6) Everlasting destruction is having no way to undo the decisions we made in life. (2Thessalonians 1:9)
7) The wicked will suffer a second death, the death of the soul. (Revelation 21:8)
8) Not to be afraid of those who kill the body but to be afraid of those who destroy both body and soul in Hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Just to add that grave means Hades. G86 From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. (Hades = grave which means hell)
1) We came from dust and will return to dust. (The grave) (Genesis 3:19)
2) We return to the earth and our thoughts perish. (The grave) (Psalms 146:4)
3) The soul that sins will die. (And return to the earth) (Eze 18:20)
4) In the grave, the dead "know nothing," neither pleasure nor pain, and there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. (Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 10)
5) People who don't believe in Christ shall not receive eternal life. (John 3:16)
6) Everlasting destruction is having no way to undo the decisions we made in life. (2Thessalonians 1:9)
7) The wicked will suffer a second death, the death of the soul. (Revelation 21:8)
8) Not to be afraid of those who kill the body but to be afraid of those who destroy both body and soul in Hell. (Matthew 10:28)
Just to add that grave means Hades. G86 From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. (Hades = grave which means hell)
It's this
Romans 13
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Matthew 22
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
John 15
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.
Galatians 5
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
James 2
8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
1 John 3
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 John 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
2 John 1
To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:
3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.
4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
It's that simple,obeying comes out of love and love can not sin.
Romans 13
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Matthew 22
34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
John 15
9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.
Galatians 5
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
James 2
8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
1 John 3
19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
1 John 4
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.
2 John 1
To the lady chosen by God and to her children, whom I love in the truth—and not I only, but also all who know the truth— 2 because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:
3 Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love.
4 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. 5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. 6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.
It's that simple,obeying comes out of love and love can not sin.
Thank you, and you also, for you see I know this Romans 14
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. (Thank you for receiving me)2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
You see It is God that does each believers teaching and understanding and loving and forgiving through the believer and God gives us the believer the credit for it, that is being his vessel only, we do not lag behind and or jump ahead, we all are growing at differant stages in one's walk with God, the walk is with God personally and God has received the one's that God knows that believe. So who are any of us to judge another man's servant.
Look You are God's son or daughter through belief and God will tell you, me or anyone of God's sons or daughters directly what God needs for them to do or say. This is exactly what Jesus showed all of us as he walked here on earth. For he did nothing or said nothing without Father's telling him so, and we through faith are to learn the same. Therefore we sift all that is said through our own hearts and one's reaction identifies the fruit. Now sometimes we don't react as God would have us, we are all a work by God in progress dying to our selffish ways we had learned prior to becoming saved or understanding what salvation is, growing into maturity, leaving the milk of the word Hebrews 5:11-6:6
Homwardbound
Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. (Thank you for receiving me)2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
You see It is God that does each believers teaching and understanding and loving and forgiving through the believer and God gives us the believer the credit for it, that is being his vessel only, we do not lag behind and or jump ahead, we all are growing at differant stages in one's walk with God, the walk is with God personally and God has received the one's that God knows that believe. So who are any of us to judge another man's servant.
Look You are God's son or daughter through belief and God will tell you, me or anyone of God's sons or daughters directly what God needs for them to do or say. This is exactly what Jesus showed all of us as he walked here on earth. For he did nothing or said nothing without Father's telling him so, and we through faith are to learn the same. Therefore we sift all that is said through our own hearts and one's reaction identifies the fruit. Now sometimes we don't react as God would have us, we are all a work by God in progress dying to our selffish ways we had learned prior to becoming saved or understanding what salvation is, growing into maturity, leaving the milk of the word Hebrews 5:11-6:6
Homwardbound
Actually there is no PROBLEM with saved by grace.... SAVED.... All saved people has ONE CHARACTER...God's! The Problem is people think they are saved.... By whatever, and they or some are not.
I always look at the saved people in the Bible, and then I realize how much different they are from the "unsaved". I read about persons that God gave HIS GRACE too, and I look at some today, claiming to also be saved by the same grace... BIG DIFFERENCE!
So either God's grace is not so effective any longer, or they are just misinformed! The ones that does not live up to a "SAVED LIFE". I believe the Bible, not the people! It does not make me very popular, but that does not bother me one bit.
Let me share what God's grace does.... It saves a person. From what? From death to life. From evil (sin) to holiness. From Satan to God! God's grace does not grow weak, it NEVER runs out! And it is as powerful today as the day HE STARTED giving it! The result of grace is A WARM PERSON IN JESUS!
I bring in the warm, because i want to share something in Revelation to you.... God says in revelation the cold, he likes, the warm he likes, but the lukewarm.... Now if sin is cold, and holiness is warm, do we go through a lukewarm period from cold to warm? I say NO! one moment we are cold and when God baptize with Spirit, we COOK!
I always look at the saved people in the Bible, and then I realize how much different they are from the "unsaved". I read about persons that God gave HIS GRACE too, and I look at some today, claiming to also be saved by the same grace... BIG DIFFERENCE!
So either God's grace is not so effective any longer, or they are just misinformed! The ones that does not live up to a "SAVED LIFE". I believe the Bible, not the people! It does not make me very popular, but that does not bother me one bit.
Let me share what God's grace does.... It saves a person. From what? From death to life. From evil (sin) to holiness. From Satan to God! God's grace does not grow weak, it NEVER runs out! And it is as powerful today as the day HE STARTED giving it! The result of grace is A WARM PERSON IN JESUS!
I bring in the warm, because i want to share something in Revelation to you.... God says in revelation the cold, he likes, the warm he likes, but the lukewarm.... Now if sin is cold, and holiness is warm, do we go through a lukewarm period from cold to warm? I say NO! one moment we are cold and when God baptize with Spirit, we COOK!
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okay. is this Shepherd's Chapel-esque doctrine?
is this the "we-were-the-sons-of-god-who-prexisted-but-2/3-followed-satan-in-the-rebellion-in-the-world-that-was-so-god-had-to-erase-our-memories-and-insert-us-into-flesh-bodies-so-the-good angels [elect]-could-try-to-get-the-1/3 i guess i'll follow satan's crowd also- restored-through-the-gospel-and-they'll-kinda-remember-they-were............*cough*" doctrine?
[yes, i think it is].
hence yer username?
oOfallen_angelOo, i'm sorry to be flippant about his, but really
we all decide what to believe i suppose.
but if you're going to make a thread on Justification by Grace and kinda sneak in the idea of pre-existence and such, could you just be more up front about it, maybe?
then we can discuss your theory of Grace on known territory.
thank you.
love zone.
is this the "we-were-the-sons-of-god-who-prexisted-but-2/3-followed-satan-in-the-rebellion-in-the-world-that-was-so-god-had-to-erase-our-memories-and-insert-us-into-flesh-bodies-so-the-good angels [elect]-could-try-to-get-the-1/3 i guess i'll follow satan's crowd also- restored-through-the-gospel-and-they'll-kinda-remember-they-were............*cough*" doctrine?
[yes, i think it is].
hence yer username?
oOfallen_angelOo, i'm sorry to be flippant about his, but really
we all decide what to believe i suppose.
but if you're going to make a thread on Justification by Grace and kinda sneak in the idea of pre-existence and such, could you just be more up front about it, maybe?
then we can discuss your theory of Grace on known territory.
thank you.
love zone.
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I was one of the "once saved always saved" believers for many years. I agree that the saved by grace message has been perverted. Because of the twisted teachings of some, there are those doing whatever and will say they can do what they want, because they are "once saved always saved". I heard that message so much, growing up in a church, I thought it was written in the Gospel. But, it's not. The moral to the story of the prodigal son. Those how teach this "once saved always saved" message, will also twist the message we are taught in the story of the prodigal son. They teach that no matter how far the son fell away, he never stopped being a son. But, when the father says "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found." It is clear that a Child of the Father can get lost.
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and how can one love Christ? Would it have to be first see how much Christ loves you? As people, do we not automatically Love as we think or believe we are loved? So if you or anyone else found out that the love of God toward you,me or anyone actually is unconditional how would you respond? I know how this changed me for when I found out that God just loves me period this is what changed my flesh attitude to a Spiritual one in Christ, trusting in God only.