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what happen to the other humans did they get a resurection ?

When God recreated where was the devil on the dark black earth still or God put him out then recreate and then put him back on the pure earth ?

Note the universe was created also hmm sun moon stars i cant believe christians believe this nonsense


Think think

please answer these question John832
 

john832

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the bible does not say the earth is billions nor million of tears Jesus returns on the 7000 year of creation then the 8000 a new begining hmmm you should know this

please explain to me Why my wise God would recreate the earth and leave the devil on it to mess it up ?

what happen to the other humans did Jesus die for them also

This is ridiculous who believe that a earth existed
You try describiing the earth and the universe that has nothing in you words hmmm darkness was created remember that
Explain to me why a God who cannot lie or does not even have shadow of turning would deceive His creation by making a 6000 year old universe and earth look much older than it really is?
 

stonesoffire

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what i dont get is this if your theory is true then we are to look for part 3 and 4 and for Jesus to die again because God is going to lose the devil to mess up His future kingdom again
I don't understand your reasoning here Daniel. Jesus came to save the world. It is finished. His cry from the cross.

The time of the gentiles and the church's birth is done...or if not...very close to it. The end is with the finish in the nation of Israel...is it not?
 

john832

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what happen to the other humans did they get a resurection ?
What other humans?


When God recreated where was the devil on the dark black earth still or God put him out then recreate and then put him back on the pure earth ?
God has the power to stand him in the corner and make him watch if He wants to.

Note the universe was created also hmm sun moon stars i cant believe christians believe this nonsense


Think think

please answer these question John832
I have to defer to Oldhermit here, we should discuss this in a thread of it's own.
 
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This is from my Oxford bible

The beginning of the earth may have been countless ages ago. This is in no way contradictory to the Bible. We know that when God first created the earth, it was perfect. It is thought that the angel Lucifer lived on the earth for a time, perhaps as it's king. He has been identified with the King of Tyre, Ezk 28: 13- 15, but Lucifer became the one whom we know as satan, or the devil, for he became proud and wanted to be as great as God. Isa 14:14. For this sin God had to punish him Ezk 28:16. Although his power and majesty were not taken from him, his beauty was corrupted, his wisdom was changed to cunning, his intimate relationship with God was over, and this earth was destroyed. Jer. 2:23. It is thought that the earth was tilted out of its place; the oceans overflowed. Every living thing died instantly from the terrible cold (ice age) that seized the earth. The fossils (animals or plants, or traces of animals or plants buried or preserved in solid rocks or caves) are all that is left of that former creation.


There are two periods of time, each of which may have been thousands of years long. One of these took place between the time when the earth was first created perfect. Gen 1:1, and when it was laid waste. Gen 1: 2. the other period of time took place between the moment when the earth was laid waste and the re creation. The story of the recreation begins with the second sentence of Gen 1: 2.

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did these people get a resurrection that died in this war ?

Are they still waiting one ?
 

jandian

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its not the first time the bible refers to the sons of GOD in that context. they were also referred to when they cam upon the daughters of men to produce giants and strange beings in (Gen 6:2)
 
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What other humans?




God has the power to stand him in the corner and make him watch if He wants to.



I have to defer to Oldhermit here, we should discuss this in a thread of it's own.

you are so caught up in this fantasy syfy nonsense thaat you are not thing Will God put the devil on the new earth in the future There shall be no curse thing there

the devil is a curse in himself

Why are you not answereing this why will God put the devil back on his recreation the pure earth before

answerthis then we can go bacl to the OP
 
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I don't understand your reasoning here Daniel. Jesus came to save the world. It is finished. His cry from the cross.

The time of the gentiles and the church's birth is done...or if not...very close to it. The end is with the finish in the nation of Israel...is it not?
you said there was a world before
what
did God forget to save those people and animals in that world He is God isnt He


Let slow down God destroyed the world with a flood preserved Humans and animals
?
There is no record of that of Him doing that to the first world as you state Why?
but he just decide to recreate Humans hmmm 0kay devil go mess up the creation again wattttttttttt

Why did He not recreate Adam and Eve and start all over again

So God is just doing guess work then
 
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2Thewaters

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hi everyone,
JOB 2:1 again there was a day when the sons of god came to present themselves
before the lord, and satan came also among them to present himself before the lord.

The sons of God are the created beings on the planets created before earth. They are Gods created sons. There are millions of created worlds, as god is the Eternal creator, that is what he does. the earth is the first and only planet to fall into sin. them.
Since impotent satan took this earth from Adam he went to represent Adam and eve for earth as Adam could no longer space travel he lost all the godlike powers with sin.
 
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stonesoffire

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The ice age destroyed the first creation. Did you read my post from my bible?
 
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The ice age destroyed the first creation. Did you read my post from my bible?
the ice age came after Adam and Eve what do you think that Antartica is by chance God froze the waters that He sent after the flood there was no rain remeber

all that water must go somewhere frozen

probaly i am not getting you here was the ice age before Adam and Eve ?

how could God recreate and leave the animals bones hmmthat many claim are millions of years did He Do a half way job
 
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reject-tech

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The sons of God in the book of Job are parts of Job, the upright things that God had begotten within Job.
Satan is the part of Job that by not being able to concede uprightness, actually keeps him from being upright in his own eyes.
God allowed Job to test himself more than most, by giving him the power to let go of the things that were dear to him.

This division of Job into his parts by way of multiple personification, is a more detailed way of describing what happens when upright servants in the bible fall at God's feet, and He corrects them by saying "stand up!" or the spirit lifts them upon their feet.

It's a conversation strictly between Job and God, no imaginary external boogie men or aliens involved. And Job brought something to the table that was holding him back, just like all of us.
It's not a bad experience, and hardly anyone hears God say "stand", because He either doesn't say it to them, or they think they have no business considering it. They receive no grace, because they beat themselves up in the name of God.

The story is to illustrate what happens when we present our self to God in a certain way, and help us understand and deal with our tribulation.

Yet, they are appropriately considered "angels", because angels are messengers, and they are not as externally sentient as we are taught.

Not what most people want to hear. Many would rather call ghost busters.
But that's the ghost buster that works.
 
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The_highwayman

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This is from my Oxford bible

The beginning of the earth may have been countless ages ago. This is in no way contradictory to the Bible. We know that when God first created the earth, it was perfect. It is thought that the angel Lucifer lived on the earth for a time, perhaps as it's king. He has been identified with the King of Tyre, Ezk 28: 13- 15, but Lucifer became the one whom we know as satan, or the devil, for he became proud and wanted to be as great as God. Isa 14:14. For this sin God had to punish him Ezk 28:16. Although his power and majesty were not taken from him, his beauty was corrupted, his wisdom was changed to cunning, his intimate relationship with God was over, and this earth was destroyed. Jer. 2:23. It is thought that the earth was tilted out of its place; the oceans overflowed. Every living thing died instantly from the terrible cold (ice age) that seized the earth. The fossils (animals or plants, or traces of animals or plants buried or preserved in solid rocks or caves) are all that is left of that former creation.


There are two periods of time, each of which may have been thousands of years long. One of these took place between the time when the earth was first created perfect. Gen 1:1, and when it was laid waste. Gen 1: 2. the other period of time took place between the moment when the earth was laid waste and the re creation. The story of the recreation begins with the second sentence of Gen 1: 2.
If you do a word study on without form and void it will take you to Jeremiah 4.23-26 and this passage seems to support the gap theory between Gen1.1-2. You will notice that these verses in Jeremiah are their own complete thought.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
 
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The sons of God in the book of Job are parts of Job, the upright things that God had begotten within Job.
Satan is the part of Job that by not being able to concede uprightness, actually keeps him from being upright in his own eyes.
God allowed Job to test himself more than most, by giving him the power to let go of the things that were dear to him.

This division of Job into his parts by way of multiple personification, is a more detailed way of describing what happens when upright servants in the bible fall at God's feet, and He corrects them by saying "stand up!" or the spirit lifts them upon their feet.

It's a conversation strictly between Job and God, no imaginary external boogie men or aliens involved. And Job brought something to the table that was holding him back, just like all of us.
It's not a bad experience, and hardly anyone hears God say "stand", because He either doesn't say it to them, or they think they have no business considering it. They receive no grace, because they beat themselves up in the name of God.

The story is to illustrate what happens when we present our self to God in a certain way, and help us understand and deal with our tribulation.

Yet, they are appropriately considered "angels", because angels are messengers, and they are not as externally sentient as we are taught.

Not what most people want to hear. Many would rather call ghost busters.
But that's the ghost buster that works.
Sorry, this is allegory and breaks every rule of proper Biblical hermeneutics.
 
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reject-tech

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Sorry, this is allegory and breaks every rule of proper Biblical hermeneutics.
Yes, it is definitely allegory. I have completely thrown out the world's standard for biblical hermeneutics.
I intend for that to be obvious lol.

"Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house" (did God build a physical hedge around Job, or an allegorical one?)

"The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the..." (oops, it was supposed to be satan doing this instead of God, right? Or can satan call down God's fire from heaven? More [and very cunning] allegory.)

Job's name meaning and the name meaning of the place he lives in tells us it's an inner struggle right from the start.
 
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sureshjames

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answer to genesis 6:4 was there in the book of ENOCH . this book was not included in torah because it refers to the very last generation. you can find this book in youtube by searching book of enoch
 
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The sons of God are men. The daughters born to men are variants of earthly wisdom. The children produced of this union became giants or men of great respect and power. Today we know these "giants" as leaders in our world's political, social, religious and economical structures that have gained or profited immensely by mingling with the wisdoms or daughters of the earth.


Again I expect to be ignored, but I speak the truth without the veil.
 
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2Thewaters

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God doesnt decieve
he does things for love
He created man
the blood was flowing in all parts of the body right away
he didnt put the blood in here and wait for the heart to pump it arround

He created the stars so they would be beauty
he created the LIGHT and then the stars remember?
it didnt take any time for the light to get there because that was created....
we could see the billions of stars millions of lightyears right away
he created the light
and he made it for seasons and signs and wonders so he built into it supernova explosions, flares and all kinds of signs all in the light and the stars
he is smarter than us
believe his word