the ten commandments
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Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
So when Jesus says "My Words" He is speaking of "EVERY WORD" of God, yes? And we will be judged by His Word. And when was the judgment spoken? Before Jesus became a man, or after?
So when Jesus says "My Words" He is speaking of "EVERY WORD" of God, yes? And we will be judged by His Word. And when was the judgment spoken? Before Jesus became a man, or after?
When Satan attempted to tempt our Lord with bread, Jesus said, "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word the proceeds from the Mouth of God."
All who understand this have no problem with words like obedience within the workings of grace...others, well, that is another stroly, it is foolishness to them.-
All who understand this have no problem with words like obedience within the workings of grace...others, well, that is another stroly, it is foolishness to them.-
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]
everything Jesus taught the disciples is the Word of God none of it was meant for only israel and heres the proof according to matthews account of the commission much more detailed of " what they preached" there in your example...so what did they go into the world and Preach?
matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.."
"all things whatsoever i have commanded you" seems as if people should look into Jesus ministry as much as He said about the words He was speaking and teaching them.
everything He taught his disciples, they were then commanded to go teach all nations of the world. the whole gog doctrine people need to realize is anti truth. its whole goal is to eliminate Jesus words, because they are the One thing we cannot omit because they are our judgement Now and when we face God. every principle, lesson, saying, teaching every aspect of His doctrine, is the new covenant. its different than the Old, in the Old whether you knew something was wrong or not, if you did it you were put to death. its not like that in the new, we are held accountable for the level of understanding we personally have of gODS WILL, his word expresses His will to us, and His word is the word spoken By Jesus. all of the ten commandments are included, they are just set forth in truth not from a sinner to a sinner but from the Holy one of Israel, to sinners in order to change them in the heart and mind through the Knowlege and Judgements of God He set in the earth. its one of the messiahs main purposes to speak the true Judgements of God into the earth.
people miss that Jesus came to the jews first and then sent those same to teach the same to the world. jew fuirst and then gentile because the jews rejected the Gospel, it then was sent to the gentile, as again it was always foretold. and is fulfilled in the commission to the first apostles and then by Paul in acts 28. the same Gospel all of it that Jesus spoke forth will not ever change it will be the authority forever.
to follow Jesus will automatically keeo the commandments of covenant law without grievance or spot, when at times we stop following, were bound to transgress. if were trying to just obey 10 commandments and be saved we havent met Jesus. if we have, the ten commandments will look like shining gems and well see them as " Just the right thing to do" rather than seeing " thou shalt not commit adultery" well see be faithful to your spouse, and respect the marriage beds of all because this is right and pleasing to God.
the commandments havent changed........the believers in Jesus are changed. Gods word is not brought Low because we were sinners, sinners are brought Low by the mosaic Law, and Jesus raises them up to reach Gods Word. God hasnt changed one iota, we are called to change through the Power of the Gospel. to be " transformed by the renewing of the Mind" to be " transformed into the image of Our creator in true righteousness and holiness" the gospel has to change the person, or there will never be a change. Gods Word is what it is, it is sufficient to make a sinner Known, to bring them to thier Knees in repentance, and to give them a new for eternity life through all the gospel provides. its not just obeying the commandments, its that true Love will always obey the commandments.we go far beyond the ten commandments they shouldnt even be an issue in the church really, there should not be so much contention against the covenant Law.
He never ommited any commandment of the covenant Law, he changed our perception of it. Jesus never one time promised physical rest to His followers the rest He promises is " rest for the soul" in that, sure Jesus offers a sabbath rest for the soul of man, yet at the same time He constantly calls His disciples to go to work, to serve God, to obey God, to repent of sin, to put the hand to the plow and not look back, ect. so does paul teach labouring to enter the " rest for the soul" promised By Jesus. there was never anything in the Bible that omits the sabbath commandment its a fruit of false doctrines that Have been rampant for 50 years. people come up with all the wrong interpretations because they dont let the scripture interpret itself, it actually does it very well.
we cant read a top selling new age book and think we have understanding of Gods Word unless the word says what the person is saying. if Jesus " omitted" the sabbath....there would be scripture explaining that. we tend to want to omit things by our will, rather than conforming to the will of God.
[FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning[/FONT][FONT="].”
[/FONT]thou shalt hav no other gods before me....Love God with all your heart, mind , body and soul.
thou shalt not commit adultery (against each other)...its not Love....
thou shalt not steal (from each other)...its not Love to steal from your neighbor.
thou shalt not lie to each other, ....its not Love to lie to one another
thou shalt not bear false witness against each other....its not Love to falsely accuse and bear false witness.
thou shalt honor thy mother and father...its not Love to dishonor the ones who gave you life
thou shalt keep the seventh day Holy, for the Lord has made it Holy..Love the Lord above all.
it really was always Love, the first covnenat is How you teach sinners to Love. because they crave those things like adultery, lying, stealing ect, you have to tell them what NOT to do in order to be right. thoiu shalt not, or you will surely die" thats how you teach a rebellious person the dangers of what they are doing, its how you talk to a person who is well known to tend to want and do those things, this is what the law was given for, the people craved those sins, its teaching How to Love froma perspective of speaking to one who tends to offend rather than Love.
1 timothy 1 :But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; "
you dont speak the same message to a rebellious person known to do wrong, as you do a person who consistantly does right. for instance, if you have a 15 year old and leave them at home for the afternoon, if they are known to sneak out and do rebellious things, you will take the time to stress " do not leave this house, or i will surely ground you"
but if your teenager has never done that, you probably arent going to stress to them " do not leave this house or i will surely ground you"
this is the difference in the law and gospel. Jesus spoke the Gospel to those who believed in Him, Knowing He would send the spirit afterwwards His words are all meant for the righteous children of God with a new Heart rather than sinners who are already dead inside and full of sinful desires.
Israel in the ot was as God repeatedly called them " stiff necked backsliding people" constantly rebelling over and over. this is why the law appears as it does to them why they were afraid to Hear Gods Word at sinai, in horeb. they were sinful at Heart just coming out of 400 years in one of the Most sinful nations regarding idolatry ever, egypt. they simply were the result of what adam did, they were sinners its who they were. and who we WERE before the Gospel. the Gospel is sent to those who accept Jesus at the heart because of what God did to break our hardened Hearts by Putting Him on the cross.
Our perspective changes which is why the gospel appears as different from the Law. its spoken to the new creation, where as the Law of Moses was spoken to the sons of adam the old creation.
amen to that great comment. its sad to see what the popularity of false doctrine is doing to minds, anyone should see that satan will always be trying to teach man that Gods Word doesnt apply or really mean what He said. He will always nad forever be trying to turn our minds against Gods Word making us see it as oppression and a curse. thats satans way just like eden and just like when he tempted Jesus. he tried to convince Jesus of his will with a scripture, Jesus replie with more complete scripture every time.
the Bible has so many words in it, its terribly easy to pluck and choose and create many different ideas. but again it is satan who says to someone who has heard " did God really say that?...surely it doesnt mean that
listen to me instead,,,im your friend im harmless," he is subtle and pretends to be harmless, he will even cringe and say " god is too good to ever judge you by your deeds no need to repent dont listen to that lie, your already saved friend, you can never be held accountable for what you continue doing its all grace friend gods way too good to punish sin....look heres a scripture " theres now therefore no condemnation in christ" see friend it doesnt matter what you do.......satan is crafty, deceptive, subtle, clever and never shows Himself for who He really is or what His real intent is. always there is a circular logic, a few single verses plucked directly from context and used to support an idea that is nowhere in Gods Word. if only people realized were in a war for our souls and victory is a simple as true faith in Gods Word.
God bless