So you are not prepared to learn anything new on the Sabbath or regarding the Sabbath...just resting from a work you have not yet done ? sleeping is for Babes and Infants, go to school first and mature....thats how we learn to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior...how the first Disciples learned by walking with Him 24/7...not sleeping and resting only.
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Christians enter the rest. If somebody is born in a Christian culture in a Christian Europe, then yes, his rest is not from a Jewish Old Law, but from the Law of conscience.
Still, who is a Christian, entered the real Sabbath - the rest from works.
"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his."
Heb 4:10
Still, who is a Christian, entered the real Sabbath - the rest from works.
"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his."
Heb 4:10
"for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his."
Heb 4:10
very next verse is the instruction to " Labour to enter that rest"
v11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
the example of unbelief given is disobedience, and how they fell in the desert because they would not believe Gods Word. its the same for cristians. in the new testament our rest is what is promised AFTER this world. were not promised a literal Promised Land to dwell in like israel....were promosed eternal Life and the rest we receive when we die in the Lord and are raised to new Life.
this is why we labour on earth, in order to inherit the rest of eternity
revelation 14:13 "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
we are actually taught clearly to store up treasures in Heaven . to CAREFULLY maintain good works BECAUSE we Believe.
titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."
we labour in the things of God because we Believe the promises he made about eternal Life, the coming new heavens and earth were promised to rest in the fruits of our labors of Love . its a bad doctrine to encourage a " good works" free gospel because its not what is there
Heb 4:10
very next verse is the instruction to " Labour to enter that rest"
v11 "Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
the example of unbelief given is disobedience, and how they fell in the desert because they would not believe Gods Word. its the same for cristians. in the new testament our rest is what is promised AFTER this world. were not promised a literal Promised Land to dwell in like israel....were promosed eternal Life and the rest we receive when we die in the Lord and are raised to new Life.
this is why we labour on earth, in order to inherit the rest of eternity
revelation 14:13 "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them."
we are actually taught clearly to store up treasures in Heaven . to CAREFULLY maintain good works BECAUSE we Believe.
titus 3:8 "This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men."
we labour in the things of God because we Believe the promises he made about eternal Life, the coming new heavens and earth were promised to rest in the fruits of our labors of Love . its a bad doctrine to encourage a " good works" free gospel because its not what is there
yes what you are not seing though, is there is no works involved in the ten commandments, the ordinances of the Law of moses were the works of the Law, the commandments are the covenant, the Law is what regulates the covenant. israel worshipped God according to Moses, we do it according to Jesus and the Gospel, and Im sorry to say its not at all an effortless covenant or a conditionless one void of Laws. Jesus Gave the true and eternal Law. the gospel regulates the ten commandments also only it works to call us to repentance, through His act of Love and forgivness and teach us to Obey God By Hos word of spirit and Life, the truth He spoke from God.
where as the Mosaic Law regulates the commandments, by condemning those who break even the least One. and commanding that the others gather and kill the sinner. the Mosaic Law is not How we serve God, however we Learn greatly from it. we do Have an obligation to Obey Jesus and the Gospel because thats what sanctifies and redeems
The context of the letter to Hebrews is that it is written to Jews who were still unsure if they should follow Jesus or to stay under the Old Testament Judaism.
They were supposed to work hard to enter the rest, to fight for their faith and not to step back to judaism.
Thats why the letter to Hebrews is full of examples how is the new covenant superior to the old one.
They were supposed to work hard to enter the rest, to fight for their faith and not to step back to judaism.
Thats why the letter to Hebrews is full of examples how is the new covenant superior to the old one.
there is no difference my Friuend in Jew and Gentile in Christ. the same exact things in Hebrews are scattered in all the rest. Hebrews was written By the church, for the Chrurch you see you may be missing the actual context of the church
until Jesus came, the Jews were the Only People of God. the Moment the Gospel was preached BY JESUS, you have the changing of the Law shown in hebrews. the new covenant did not in any manner begin after the cross it began when Jesus received the spirit, John was imprisoned and Jesus began preaching the gospel foretold all along the He himself would preach. its hard really to miss that doctrine in the Buible it begins with deuteronomy 18:15-19, is in the prophets heavily, was something Jesus repeated, was something the apostles all taught and held to. the Word of God are Life.
you are correct, Just so you unerstand im not completely disagreeing with you the Only thing I would say is that not Hebrews but pauls epistles, the reason they are written as they are with so much about the Law of moses and not being under it, is because Judaizers were His main opponent in the early church times. such as in galatians. that whole letter was written, because Judaizers had come tying the MOSAIC LAW to the Gospel, it wasnt as if they were saying obey the commandments ...and that made them Judaizers. Judaizers push the Jewish Laws, all of the customs, ordinances, feasts, SPECIAL sabbath days, washing ordiinances cleansing rites all of those types of things, the simple truth that is right there to see, is that the ten commandments, and the Mosaic Law are two things, the commandments also appear in the Mosaic Law, but they are apart from it also they are in the arch where God dwells, the book was placed beside the ark for the very purpose of witnessing against those who broke the covenant Law the commandments within the Ark.
the ten commandments are indeed written in the book of the Law, the difference is you remove the book of the Law, and the tables of the testimony remain with no part of the Mosaic Law you still Have the ten commandments written By Gods Finger. those ten commandments and many others are taught in the Gospel.
Jesus speaks the Word that Gives Life to mankind through faith.
Satan speaks the Word that Kills man and takes Life through unbelief of what God said.
we absoluitely have to see through this modernization of doctrine where only the cross applies all else is futile. or " one can never do anything to Lose thier salvation. because very clearly in the new testament epistles and the Gospel, its taught the Opposite of that. to maintain Good works, not argue against anyone who says " you gotta obey God"
this doctrine issue causes people to see the plain word of God written in everyones Bible. that the cross doesnt erase the Word of God. it was the fulfillment of the word Prior and the word after will all come to pass also.
the thing is if were waiting for this conditionless acceptance what Happens ehen a person is then called before God to answer for every deed He has done whether good or bad. that person Lived thier Life with the mind of " well obedience is not a big deal just believe the cross" this is a subtle twist as satan does to get the importance away from believing Gods Word and Obeying What He said. now part of your Point i agree with is that we do not serve God through Moses and the Law, we serve God by Jesus and the Gospel. God laid out the pattern of everyuthing in the Ot. and in the nt the reality comes as Hebrews teaches us.
Moses Giving the Law was as for one aspect, a foretelling of when Jesus wpuld give the Gospel. the whole bible is that wway it simplifies the More a person Believes the Word. so that when we begin we see thousands of pages and a ,million words saying hundreds of different things, as we persevere it appears as a few Points God has spoken to man, and the simple and truest thing is to Keep the commandments of God because you both Fear Him in reverent fear, and Love Him and keep His word as He says to do.
this life we live in and all we can take part in, have pleasure in, gain, store up everything that seems so important to us those things are Like ashes in a tornadoe or vapors in the wind, these few years we have in this fallen World is onloy to find the opath of eternal Life. thats the difference in the Law given By Moses, and the Gospel preached By Jesus Christ, the mosaic Law is Like the world fading and coming to an end, it has value But in comparison to the Gospel it is a vapor in the wind or a foundation that never supports a House or building. but the truth is all of Gods Word works together.
the Law brings sinners to thier need for a savior, it teaches righteousness and sin, irt sets Law that restrains the sinfulness of Man untio Jesus came with the circumcision of that sin from the heart through again the Gospel. this isnt something ive made up lol its repeated again and again " freedom from sin?...keep the words of Jesus" john 8 , receive the Holy spirit? Keep the words of Jesus"...john 14 what is Our judgement going to say?...thje words of Jesus" John 12,.
thats 3 small samples it always goes back to the Word, not Only what the word teaches us about Jesus death and resurrection, but actually what is it that God was saying through Jesus? not a summary " Love thy Neighbor, but the understanding He was giving to mankind. the nmessage is what the words value is words are only a conveyer of information in this case Knowledge, the Knowlege of God is expressed in His words. this is How it all reconciles to follow His design, His word. so then we see the Law saying " stone the adulterer" we Know because our Faith is in Jesus, that we are called to forgive the sinner, not conemn and Judge them and eventually brutally kill them. we Know this Only because Jesus taught it in His doctrine. these things dont Just magically go into a mind because we say Jesus died and was raised. the Knowlege Comes through faith in the Word of God His words, what God said
" if you eat the fruit you will surely die".....surely mankiind is a mortal species now bound to short lives and then Death God forewarned of in eden. His words will always be the same He siad Let there be...and it became. if Jesus says " dp not just say Lord...you must do Gods Will" that will never alter or be changed by any modern day pastor selling books and distortions, the Word of God is complete and sufficient to bring a bad guy to His knees and raise up a good Guy through time and the working of Gods Word in us who believe.
we do agree christians do not follow the Mosaic Law, if we did we would transgress the Gospel. where we differ is that the commandments in the Ark, are not the same thing as the book of the Mosaic Law. another aspect of undrstanding Paul in this subject , is that paul was a pharisee He knew scripture Like it was air to breath, when you see things He is saying, yu will most often find them in the prophets beforehand long before Jesus came. the prohets are just speaking from a different perspective, thier message ois that One day God will =deliver the Messiah. whoile those after Jesus are Looking Bacjk to when God delivered the promised Messiah. the old and new arent different. they have thier appointed times and the perspective is different One is before the Messiah came, the other came with the Messiah. everything Has a place.
a House needs a strong and sure founation and the foundation
2 timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
gotta see here repentance of sin, the actual iniquitous actions
and then you see that those who already Have believed are to be careful to maintain Good works...called to make thier calling and election sure> the cross is the beginning ....not the end. But Jesus is the Beginning and the end.
I disagree... completely.
The Commandments were rigid laws that were given to guide the Hebrew nation.. If they were "perfect" then Jesus would not have had to clarify them for us in the new covenant.
I can follow the 10 commandments perfectly by never having sex with anyone but my wife. Or, by not murdering anyone, or by keeping the Sabbath day "holy".
Those commandments do not address the evil, impure thoughts that mankind has... it's all about man's physical actions, not what is in his heart.
Jesus addressed what is, or should be, in our hearts. He wrote the commandments on our hearts....
The Commandments were rigid laws that were given to guide the Hebrew nation.. If they were "perfect" then Jesus would not have had to clarify them for us in the new covenant.
I can follow the 10 commandments perfectly by never having sex with anyone but my wife. Or, by not murdering anyone, or by keeping the Sabbath day "holy".
Those commandments do not address the evil, impure thoughts that mankind has... it's all about man's physical actions, not what is in his heart.
Jesus addressed what is, or should be, in our hearts. He wrote the commandments on our hearts....
Of course Jesus Christ has done all for us.......
As for addressing evil........think on all things beautiful, as taught. We are not here to address evil, only to hear and obey our Father.
When we are in grace the guilt of our transgressions are not held against us.
We may do the very thing we hate, but Paul has explained this quite well to all.
We are Jesus Christ in the Eyes of God......you must have known this from the beginning, that is when the Holy Spirit first entered into you!
When we obey the Tne, though we are not Jesus Christ, we reflect the love of God.......
We do unto others as we would hve them do unto us, and when they turn on us we try as we ae given to be able to say, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
Read the Ten and you will see, if you but obey the cmmandment of`not having any othe rgod before us, you will find ydou obey them all...........and this is love, the love of God.
As for addressing evil........think on all things beautiful, as taught. We are not here to address evil, only to hear and obey our Father.
When we are in grace the guilt of our transgressions are not held against us.
We may do the very thing we hate, but Paul has explained this quite well to all.
We are Jesus Christ in the Eyes of God......you must have known this from the beginning, that is when the Holy Spirit first entered into you!
When we obey the Tne, though we are not Jesus Christ, we reflect the love of God.......
We do unto others as we would hve them do unto us, and when they turn on us we try as we ae given to be able to say, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."
Read the Ten and you will see, if you but obey the cmmandment of`not having any othe rgod before us, you will find ydou obey them all...........and this is love, the love of God.
Its not old laws verses new laws.But is ceremonial laws verses moral law.
I see that a little differently we rest form our servile work giving us a day we can go out according to the true fast, the hidden manna.
I would also suggest its not a old law but one that still applies according as a cerimoinal law used as shadow even today. We can go out with the gospel on a day when we do not have to do our servile work needed to pay bills.
It why the the Deuteronomy account is different from the Exodus according as two different reasons. We are not to judge one another in respect to shadows.
The history parable using the Exodus leading toward the promised land is one of the many place the gospel is preached beforehand.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
Moral law do not give two different reasons.
Looking at the spiritul reason in Exodus.
Knowing we must to compare the spiritual not seen the eternal to the spiritual , or faith to faith if we are to find the spiritual truth . The Deuteronomy account shows both historically true parables pointing to same rest that was secured on day 7 the lamb of God slain from that foundation.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The final fulfillment will come when we receive our new incorruptible bodies. Until then whenever we hear the word of God and no not harden our heart we have already entered that rest. He does the softening.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:17
Worshiping shadows rather that going out with the true fast as the kind that can fast (the gospel)that can cast out lying spirits is that which I believe we should be seeking .
I see that a little differently we rest form our servile work giving us a day we can go out according to the true fast, the hidden manna.
I would also suggest its not a old law but one that still applies according as a cerimoinal law used as shadow even today. We can go out with the gospel on a day when we do not have to do our servile work needed to pay bills.
It why the the Deuteronomy account is different from the Exodus according as two different reasons. We are not to judge one another in respect to shadows.
The history parable using the Exodus leading toward the promised land is one of the many place the gospel is preached beforehand.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
Moral law do not give two different reasons.
Looking at the spiritul reason in Exodus.
Knowing we must to compare the spiritual not seen the eternal to the spiritual , or faith to faith if we are to find the spiritual truth . The Deuteronomy account shows both historically true parables pointing to same rest that was secured on day 7 the lamb of God slain from that foundation.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The final fulfillment will come when we receive our new incorruptible bodies. Until then whenever we hear the word of God and no not harden our heart we have already entered that rest. He does the softening.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Col 2:17
Worshiping shadows rather that going out with the true fast as the kind that can fast (the gospel)that can cast out lying spirits is that which I believe we should be seeking .
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"Follow you around" ???? You have a greatly overinflated opinion of your status.
If my commenting in the same threads as you, and disagreeing with you, creates feelings of paranoia, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. Then you will not have to worry that I'm skulking around, waiting to pounce on you....
For cryin out loud...
If my commenting in the same threads as you, and disagreeing with you, creates feelings of paranoia, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. Then you will not have to worry that I'm skulking around, waiting to pounce on you....
For cryin out loud...
The early christians did not keep the sabbath. We have many writings about that. No where in the New Testament is the Sabbath commanded put forth by the Apostles.
The Apostle Paul lists all of the commandments except Sabbath, I wonder why that is?
Romans 13:9 " For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” "
No where does loving God equate to keeping the sabbath in the New Testament.
It is just not scriptural.
The Apostle Paul lists all of the commandments except Sabbath, I wonder why that is?
Romans 13:9 " For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” "
No where does loving God equate to keeping the sabbath in the New Testament.
It is just not scriptural.