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Gee, two of you are right now.
I have asked Homeguy to stop following me in the past, letting him know he need not address me directly.
I am asking the same again......... I do not follow Homeguy, I am wondering about his true motives . He waits what seems a proper time, then comes back.
The guys in the huddle include me, and we are talking about how the game will be played, nothing more, nothing less...
I have asked Homeguy to stop following me in the past, letting him know he need not address me directly.
I am asking the same again......... I do not follow Homeguy, I am wondering about his true motives . He waits what seems a proper time, then comes back.
The guys in the huddle include me, and we are talking about how the game will be played, nothing more, nothing less...
Not quite. The Law is perfect, we on the other hand are not, thus the reason they were clarified. Clarification doesn't necessitate the law being imperfect. It is only imperfect in its effect due to the fallen nature of man - it cannot save.
This is why Scripture shows the Law as perfect, Psalm 19:7, and "imperfect;" Hebrews 7:19.
No, you cannot follow the law perfectly.
When Jesus clarified the Law it proved you cannot nor have you ever kept it.
Wow. Missing the forest for the trees? It's amazing you concentrate on man's physical actions and make a false dichotomy between this and what is in his heart.
Jesus clarified the law, showing it reveals mans fallen state and wicked heart, and wicked actions that come from the heart.
You say that it doesn't address the impure and evil thoughts, when it does exactly this. Romans 7 is just one proof of you being incorrect here.
It appears your ax grinding has caused you to err. You say Jesus clarified the Law, and he did just that, showing our evil nature, i.e. the SoTM. Your conclusion is off base.
He used the Law to show our hearts as evil. Not sure how you erroneously conclude the Law doesn't deal with our evil impure nature, it does exactly this and nothing less than this! People come to great conviction of sin when they realize they've broken all of God's Law, realizing how evil and impure they are. You say it doesn't do this...interesting.
This is why Scripture shows the Law as perfect, Psalm 19:7, and "imperfect;" Hebrews 7:19.
No, you cannot follow the law perfectly.
When Jesus clarified the Law it proved you cannot nor have you ever kept it.
Wow. Missing the forest for the trees? It's amazing you concentrate on man's physical actions and make a false dichotomy between this and what is in his heart.
Jesus clarified the law, showing it reveals mans fallen state and wicked heart, and wicked actions that come from the heart.
You say that it doesn't address the impure and evil thoughts, when it does exactly this. Romans 7 is just one proof of you being incorrect here.
It appears your ax grinding has caused you to err. You say Jesus clarified the Law, and he did just that, showing our evil nature, i.e. the SoTM. Your conclusion is off base.
He used the Law to show our hearts as evil. Not sure how you erroneously conclude the Law doesn't deal with our evil impure nature, it does exactly this and nothing less than this! People come to great conviction of sin when they realize they've broken all of God's Law, realizing how evil and impure they are. You say it doesn't do this...interesting.
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
It is only in defense of man made doctrines and traditions that you reject God's Word regarding much of His instruction. If you just studied the Bible without the filter of the "Many" who come in Christ's name you would have a different take.
It was the same for Jesus being born into a religion that claimed the God of Abraham as their God but transgressed His Commandments by their own tradition. It meant something then, I believe it is a mistake to preach it doesn't mean something now.
Just remember, Jesus attacked their works, their doctrines and traditions, He didn't attack them until after they rejected the scriptures Jesus used to show them their sin. It is natural for men to be offended when anyone exposes their faults. I know I was when I found this stuff through study.
I hope you might consider these biblical facts, and not just submit yourself to natural fleshy anger.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
It is only in defense of man made doctrines and traditions that you reject God's Word regarding much of His instruction. If you just studied the Bible without the filter of the "Many" who come in Christ's name you would have a different take.
It was the same for Jesus being born into a religion that claimed the God of Abraham as their God but transgressed His Commandments by their own tradition. It meant something then, I believe it is a mistake to preach it doesn't mean something now.
Just remember, Jesus attacked their works, their doctrines and traditions, He didn't attack them until after they rejected the scriptures Jesus used to show them their sin. It is natural for men to be offended when anyone exposes their faults. I know I was when I found this stuff through study.
I hope you might consider these biblical facts, and not just submit yourself to natural fleshy anger.
Where is the Sabbath mentioned as regard Gentiles???
If you call the New Testament 'man made' that is up to you. Personally I consider Jesus and the Apostles spoke from God
NOWHERE in the New Testament is observance of the Sabbath enjoined.
you may believe what you want. Abraham came four hundred years BEFORE there ever was a Sabbath Law and before the commandments you speak of. You follow Moses, I will follow Abraham and Jesus Christ,
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The Sabbath as regarding Gentiles converted to Israel is mentioned in the Word. First when Jesus teaching that anyone teaching against the least of the commandments would be least in the Kingdom.
Second when He teaches about obeying the commandmnts in Revelation.
These two I have chosen as first and second, however there are many other references that tell us to obey God, and to obey what He commands. Thos who have them inscribed on their hearts have no problem in understanding this.
God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and may He halp all who are not, amen.
Second when He teaches about obeying the commandmnts in Revelation.
These two I have chosen as first and second, however there are many other references that tell us to obey God, and to obey what He commands. Thos who have them inscribed on their hearts have no problem in understanding this.
God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and may He halp all who are not, amen.
Everyone one of your statements can be Scriuptually disproven, will you accept it?
Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (Joshua ben Nun*) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
“keeping of the Sabbath” is word G#4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin – from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition – a sabbath rest
“rest” is word G#2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest,, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin – from katapauó, Definition – rest[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*This verse has been translated 2 different ways, one as "Jesus" the other as "Joshua"
English Standard Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
"Joshua" son of Nun (Yahshua ben Nun) is the one being talked about here, not Yahshua the Messiah/Jesus Christ.
You know then the Israylites entered the promised land, yet this was not the real promised land, it was a foreshadow of the kingdom of Yahweh in the 1000yr reign.
Thus, "a promise of entering His rest remains"
A promise we are still looking forward to today! and the 7th day Sabbath is the weekly shadow picture of this 1000yr reign to remind us hat we have to look forward to, if one reads Hebrews 4 with this in mind, one will understand the true meaning of it. Not some modern, no understanding, 2000 yrs detached gentile butchering of it. (not implying you look at it like this, but it is commonly misunderstood)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."
Contrast word #G4520 with every other "NT" mention of the Sabbath:
word # G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin – from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition – a sabbath rest
word # G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin – of Hebrew, origin shabbath, Definition – the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws..."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day YHWH ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then YHWH blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which YHWH had created and made."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Here we have and end time prophecy, where the King seems to think the Sabbath is still valid in the end times. Maybe those who disagree need to tell the King He is wrong?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”[/FONT]
Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And YHWH rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (Joshua ben Nun*) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as YHWH did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."
“keeping of the Sabbath” is word G#4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin – from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition – a sabbath rest
“rest” is word G#2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest,, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin – from katapauó, Definition – rest[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*This verse has been translated 2 different ways, one as "Jesus" the other as "Joshua"
English Standard Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
"Joshua" son of Nun (Yahshua ben Nun) is the one being talked about here, not Yahshua the Messiah/Jesus Christ.
You know then the Israylites entered the promised land, yet this was not the real promised land, it was a foreshadow of the kingdom of Yahweh in the 1000yr reign.
Thus, "a promise of entering His rest remains"
A promise we are still looking forward to today! and the 7th day Sabbath is the weekly shadow picture of this 1000yr reign to remind us hat we have to look forward to, if one reads Hebrews 4 with this in mind, one will understand the true meaning of it. Not some modern, no understanding, 2000 yrs detached gentile butchering of it. (not implying you look at it like this, but it is commonly misunderstood)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of YHWH."
Contrast word #G4520 with every other "NT" mention of the Sabbath:
word # G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin – from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition – a sabbath rest
word # G4521 – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin – of Hebrew, origin shabbath, Definition – the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws..."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 26:5, “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my Laws.”
[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:2-3, "And on the Seventh Day YHWH ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done. Then YHWH blessed the Seventh Day and set it apart to be holy, because in it He rested from all the work which YHWH had created and made."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Here we have and end time prophecy, where the King seems to think the Sabbath is still valid in the end times. Maybe those who disagree need to tell the King He is wrong?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, “But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day.”[/FONT]
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Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Are you really preaching that Gentiles were required to make sure they didn't eat meats from strangled animals as taught in the Law and Prophets, and they were to go to the Scribes to be taught of Moses exactly as Jesus instructed His Apostles to do in Matt. 23, but they were not to obey the 10 Commandments?
Why would you even attempt to preach such things if it were not to defend the teaching of Constantine and the Mainstream tradition of rejecting God's Sabbath and creating your own? Where is it written even once that we are to reject God's Commandments and create our own.
You know that statement is baseless and false. You also know Jesus and His Disciples observed both God's Sabbaths and His Holy Days. You know Jesus created the Sabbath before He became a man, It was created by Him and for Him, and He also said it was created for me. He is truly Lord of God's Sabbath". This is why His Apostles observed it throughout there whole lives.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say you are Holy enough to decide which of God's Ten Commandments you should keep and which ones you can reject. Just because you fancy yourself a judge of God's Commandments, doesn't mean you are the judge of God's Commandments.
Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
You are free to preach that Adam, Abel, Noah and Abraham didn't know of God's creation if you want. That they didn't have God's Law if you want.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You are free to preach that God's Law didn't include His Sabbath that He Sanctified if you want.
But just like the scriptures exposed the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time as false, so also do the scriptures expose your teaching as false.
Jesus, before He became flesh and blood, inspired Jeremiah to warn me of exactly this very thing.
Jeremiah 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. (Like saying God didn't have a Sabbath until Moses)
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
(You are saved, don't worry about breaking God's Commandments by your own doctrines and traditions)
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush:
(They created images of God in the likeness of a long haired men's hair shampoo model, rejected God's Sabbaths and holy days and created their own "Feasts unto the Lord")
therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, (As Jesus walked therein) and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they(You) said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen(prophets and Disciples) over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
And so the Word's of Christ proven once again as perfect. "If they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."
Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Are you really preaching that Gentiles were required to make sure they didn't eat meats from strangled animals as taught in the Law and Prophets, and they were to go to the Scribes to be taught of Moses exactly as Jesus instructed His Apostles to do in Matt. 23, but they were not to obey the 10 Commandments?
Why would you even attempt to preach such things if it were not to defend the teaching of Constantine and the Mainstream tradition of rejecting God's Sabbath and creating your own? Where is it written even once that we are to reject God's Commandments and create our own.
You know that statement is baseless and false. You also know Jesus and His Disciples observed both God's Sabbaths and His Holy Days. You know Jesus created the Sabbath before He became a man, It was created by Him and for Him, and He also said it was created for me. He is truly Lord of God's Sabbath". This is why His Apostles observed it throughout there whole lives.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say you are Holy enough to decide which of God's Ten Commandments you should keep and which ones you can reject. Just because you fancy yourself a judge of God's Commandments, doesn't mean you are the judge of God's Commandments.
Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
You are free to preach that Adam, Abel, Noah and Abraham didn't know of God's creation if you want. That they didn't have God's Law if you want.
Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
You are free to preach that God's Law didn't include His Sabbath that He Sanctified if you want.
But just like the scriptures exposed the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time as false, so also do the scriptures expose your teaching as false.
Jesus, before He became flesh and blood, inspired Jeremiah to warn me of exactly this very thing.
Jeremiah 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. (Like saying God didn't have a Sabbath until Moses)
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
(You are saved, don't worry about breaking God's Commandments by your own doctrines and traditions)
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush:
(They created images of God in the likeness of a long haired men's hair shampoo model, rejected God's Sabbaths and holy days and created their own "Feasts unto the Lord")
therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, (As Jesus walked therein) and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they(You) said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen(prophets and Disciples) over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
And so the Word's of Christ proven once again as perfect. "If they hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."