the ten commandments

Studyman · Oct 31, 2017

Accept you are in error about who He was speaking about. He just got through saying:

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

"20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

What was wrong with the Pharisees? Among other things:

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

It was the Pharisees that were not preaching the complete truth. Not Moses.

I am not arguing that Jesus gave them a different perspective than what they had been taught by the only people on the planet they got their knowledge from. I'm arguing that He was correcting the Scribes and Pharisees who had killed the prophets for centuries and were preaching a false doctrine. Jesus wasn't correcting Moses because if you read the Bible you will see that Moses and the Prophets taught what the Mainstream Preachers of that time had omitted, and they taught the same things as Jesus taught as I posted.

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why did the King make an end time prophecy and think the Sabbath was still valid in the end times, which are still future? He would be a false prophet if the Sabbath were still not active. and this even shows that it is still the sabbath DAY, not som whipy spiritual I dont keep it but I keep it thing.

Also if that were not enough He says nothing will change rfom the Law;

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unlessheaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

So it is either nothingchanged and Yahshua/Jesus is right

or

stuff changed and Yahshua\Jesus is wrong.

I believe He is right.

I have to add something so I dont get misunderstood, Yahshua is High Priest now, the Law of mediation are still intact, but there is no levite priest but Yahshua after the order of the messenger of righteousness.

LoveGodForever · Oct 31, 2017

mailmandan said:

Hi friend seems God's Word disagrees with you...........

Col 2:14-17 the real truth 1
Col 2:14-17 the real truth 2

Jesus says..............

Matthew 15
3, But he answered and said unto them, WHY DO YOU TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR OWN TRADITION? 4, For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. 5, But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; 6, And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS YOU HAVE MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. 7, Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that has no place in God's Word. Where does it say in any part of God's Word that God's 4th commandment has now been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday Holy? There is not one scripture. Jesus says if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God.................

Who should we believe the teachings or traditions of man or the Word of God? Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God or the Word of God?

mailmandan said:

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day. Obedience is the fruit of faith that works by love and is why Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments....

Only God's Word is true....

followjesus · Nov 1, 2017

Hizikyah said:

the issue with the " law" is no one distinguishes the Mosaic Law, from the covenant Law. there is not now nor has there ever been any reason for anyone to remove a single commandments from the ten, they are the work of Gods Hand and are the beginning of the Gospel. without the Law no one can ever really acknowledge they are a sinner. if they do not acknowledge that, they can never really know they need a savior.

Gods Word is perfectly designed. and is really unlimited in its wealth of understanding. it has perfect order and all of it applies and is valid, its just that everything Has its own place and purpose and everything leads to Yeshua and His Words. the Law Leads to Him, the epistles Lead to Him, the Prophets Lead to Him. the Promise of abram Leads to Him, the appearance of Melchezidek to abraham Leads to Him. Gods Design is to exalt His Only begotten above all things.

One of pauls real Messages is the ultimate purpose of what Has been done.

ephesians 1 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:22

And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,23Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all."

this is the reason for everything if we as christians understood Gods will is for us to Honor Jesus and His word ( Because Jesus was speaking Gods Will for us) its why Jesus is named Lord and Christ, He is indeed the High Priest but He is also everything else.

He is the Lamb of atonement whos blood is shed. the scapegoat who bare the peoples sin. the Good shepherd who leads us in paths of righteousness for His names sake, He is the One and Only mediator between God and Man, thats who the Christ is always said to be. the Son of God, and also the Son of Man...in One being. so only He is able to truly mediate between God and also man, only He is able to reconcile us through His mediation. He is also Our intercessor who is our advocate with the Father. He is Also the Law Giver of the Covenant and even More. He is the Word of the Living God by which all things were created in Heaven and on earth. Jesus is Our everything.....beginning with what He did for us when we had no hope of Life. from there He is everything else, our Good teacher whom we Learn from, Our good shepherd whom we follow, Our Savior and Lord, our Commander and King, our Brother, Our Friend, our encourager, our forgiver, our declaration of eternal Life......

the More I study and pray pover the years for understanding of Gods Word, the More I have found that it is truly all in some way about Jesus from the start until the end because Gods Goal from the beginning was to exalt Jesus to the throne, and teach man wisdom and give Him a deep Love for God by the cross, and most importantly teach mankind trust in Gods Word no matter who tells you different than He said.

the ten commandments Have thier very important Place, its not Like then, when the Law was everything because Now we have the fulfillment of the Law in Jesus and He is everything.

Jesus took the book of the Law, and became the Word of God at His side. the book of the Law was a witness against all who had sinned and then placed beside the ark it was a copy of the throne room in Heaven shown in revelation. Jesus Now Has become an advocate for all who have sinned, a savior of them who sits Beside God and is interceeding on Our Behalf, Like Moses did repeatedly for the israelites...

beta · Nov 1, 2017

valiant said:

It was important and commanded in the OT for thousands of years....did people keep it ???
would they keep it in the NT because it is commanded ???

Jesus introduced a 'new way' in the NT...HE became our living walking Example to 'procede IN LOVE' ...no longer by command !!!

Jesus did/does not abolish or change the Commandments....He changes People from stone to flesh !!!
and this 'change enables us to 'keep and do what He tells us. Those who are not changed will not do what He says Lk 6v46; Mat 7v21-23 and will end in destruction/death.

trofimus · Nov 1, 2017

beta said:

When there is a new covenant, the old one passes away.

Two covenants are not valid both in one time.

Do you believe there is a new covenant after Christ?

beta · Nov 1, 2017

trofimus said:

Please refer to Heb 8 and 9 , it will explain a lot. Yahshua/Jesus' sacrifice changes everything....including us.

valiant · Nov 1, 2017

beta said:

So your answer is 'nowhere'?

So your answer is NOWHERE?

Jesus listed the main commandments in Matt 19.17-19. Where is the Sabbath mentioned? Or did He just forget it?

That is the RESULT of God's saving work. All agree on that.

Well?

followjesus · Nov 1, 2017

deuteronomy 31 " And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, 26Take this book of the law, and put it to the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. 27For I know thy rebellion...."

this is what alot of Pauls statements are concerning when He says " handwriting of ordinances that were against us and stood opposed to us" we tend to look at it like the Law is against us so its bad, but really the Law is a witness against sinners...not against born again children of God.

the Law was a blessing to those who kept it carefully and diligently, those who practiced all of the ritualistic ordinances, the special sabbath Days, the new moon festivals, the proper hand washing, to cleans one. But it also Held the curse of sin and death within the same Law of Moses every detail of Gods commandments to Israel, the covenant is defined By what Moses Heard from God, then went and spoke to the People, then the People would agree to obey what Moses said. this is what people refer to as the Mosaic Law.

its quite vast, has many differing sections and some really extreme principles and is based Not on Our Mercy toward One another, as the Gospel, it is Based On you Keep Gods Word yourself. if you see another person breaking Gods Word, you go report Him and then the People examine what you accused, and if there is corroboration then someone was automatically, by command of God, sentanced to death. because of the evident principle in the Law " shew no mercy, let thine eye not pity when you must put a sinner to death, for you must purge the sin from among you"

that really is the social structure and foundation of the Law...it is based one" thou shalt not, or you must surely die"

the Mosaic Law is really complex in its nature. you Learn Right and Wrong, Good and evil, you Learn Much of Gods Nature and character toward mankind...i personally see also a ton of Mercy in the Law, I find it interesting that Moses Broke the first set of commandments, because of the sinfulness of man when He saw what they had done. and then God gives the second set of stone tables, and promises Mercy and Grace and softness with the second set when Moses intercedes.

exodus 32 " And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount. 20And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it in the fire, and ground it to powder, and strawed it upon the water, and made the children of Israel drink of it."

...And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. 28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men
Moses then intercedes for the People

And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin ? ; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. << intercession

33And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. 35And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made."

33: 17 " I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name"

and then God gives the second tables of the commandments and says this with it showing clearly How He has always been merciful and compassionate and full of Grace for man.

And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. 2And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. 3And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. 4And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

5And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. 6And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, 7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty;

visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. 8And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. 9And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance."

to me this is a picture of the 2 covenants the first broken because of mans sin, then intercession on Behalf of the People, and then we see How God is declaring His mercy and forgiveness of sins even as the people Just Broke the first commandment. to me this is a pisture of what Jesus would do in intercedeing for sinners and replacing the Law of Moses, with the Law of the Spirit of Life.[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]

trofimus · Nov 1, 2017

beta said:

And including sabbath.

followjesus · Nov 1, 2017

trofimus said:

Hebrews 8:1-2 "We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2A ministerof the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. "

revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

exodus 25:21 "And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee."

the Mosaic Law and the covenant Law the ten commandments, are not the same thing. the book of the Mosaic Law was set beside the ark as a witness against sinners. meaning, those who transgress the covenant Law that is within the ark, in the depths of the Holiest of all. the ten commandments are Gods Work, the Mosaic Law was what witnessed against those who transgressed the ten commandments in the ark.

God would meet with Moses from above the mercy seat, the ten commandments were beneath Him, and between Him and the testimony, was the "mercy" seat where the blood was poured. in revelation Jesus approaches Gods throne, and takes a book written on front and back and contains the seals wich unleash wrath. that is the book of the Mosaic Law. Jesus fulfilled it. so in revelation you see Him take it from Gods right Hand, and unseal its curse unleashing wrath from Heaven.

we were never part of the first covenant, we are part of the covenant that was before the Law was Given, the promise to abraham that is fulfilled also in Jesus Christ.

what im saying is the first covenant was only ever a shadow intended to teach man until Jesus came With the true testament. Our covenant is everything He said in His ministry.

Hebrews 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

when Moses the first testator Gave the Law to the people, he then shed the blood and sprinkled the people and the word making it the covenant of authority. Jesus did the same thing He spoke the covenant Law to the people and then He shed His blood and sprinkled the People, including the Word ( Himself) and made everything He taught of Gods Kingdom the covenant. all of the Grace and all of the truth. we Have a Law, its Just Not by the Mosaic Law that we worship God, we worship God by Jesus instead of Moses. the Mosaic Law is what was against us it was never the commandments " thou shalt Not do this" this is not against a person, it is for them if they obey it, and is against them if they will not obey it. the Law is only against sinners. its for the born again believer because they can see the Law by the spirit they receive in Christ.

beta · Nov 1, 2017

trofimus said:

Yes...the way it is to be kept is the difference... not to abolish it !!!
the way we keep it in the NT is the point now....not that we reject it !

The Sabbath is included in the 10 for a reason...to make it part of loving God and neighbour, not tear it out and discard it.... because then the other 9 do not work either !!!
and there is ample proof in christianity that there is confusion and disagreement between all the many denominations.
If people don't from the heart want to love God then no amount of 'commanding them will make them do so....but if they have LOVE as their guiding light they don't need commanding !!!

JaumeJ · Nov 1, 2017

Originally inscribed by God on tablets of stone,
now inscribed by God on the fleshy tablets of the hearts of all who believe Him.

trofimus · Nov 1, 2017

beta said:

Christians keep the real Sabbath (the real rest) by resting in Christ from their religious deeds.

There is no other way of observing the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

Studyman · Nov 1, 2017

trofimus said:

The New Covenant had to do with the way God's Instruction was administered, and the way sin's were cleansed.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more having to go to the Levite Priests in the Synagogue to learn God's Righteousness, God will "put" them in our mind.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more taking an animal to the Levites for the remission of sin, God will intervene directly and forgive those sins. He will become a man, learn from the things He suffered, and give Himself totally to the Will of His Father to pay the penalty transgression of God's Laws cause.

Nowhere in the entire Bible is it written that the definition of sin has ever changed.

Your preaching that the New Covenant re-defined sin is not Biblical. IT is part of the deception Jesus warned so many time about in his Word.

My hope is that He lets you see this truth.

trofimus · Nov 1, 2017

Studyman said:

"For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also."
Heb 7:12

"Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."
Heb 7:22

But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Heb 8:6

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Priesthood changed, law changed. We have the new covenant, better than the old one.

Studyman · Nov 1, 2017

trofimus said:

Once again you omit the action part of the scripture.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The New Covenant, as the Bible clearly states, and as I have just posted, has to do with how the "LAW" is administered and how sins are forgiven.

This chapter teaches us just that. The Old Covenant, the Levitical Priesthood, was to be changed according to Jeremiah who you just completely ignored.

The "Priesthood" was specifically created for the Levites. That is why they call it "Levitical Priesthood". But it was foretold in the scriptures you ignore, long before Hebrews was written, that this "priesthood" was going to change. A new Covenat was coming.

This New Covenant, the "Changing of the Priesthood" could not be complete unless the Law regarding this Priesthood was changed also.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, (Not Levi)of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So the "Change of the Law" was pertaining to the "Tribe" which the High Priest should come from. Moses wrote it was specifically for the tribe of Levi. Jesus was from Judah. So for Jesus to become our High Priest, there had to be a "change in the Law".

It's right there in your Bible. Now how can you continue to preach that Heb. 7:12 changed the definition of sin?

Grandpa · Nov 1, 2017

Studyman said:

Is this also talking about ONLY the levitical law?

Hebrews 7:16-19
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.[/FONT]

Studyman · Nov 1, 2017

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Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Now this post and the Bible are in perfect agreement.

Studyman · Nov 1, 2017

Grandpa said:

If you only use these scriptures you carefully picked out of the Middle of Heb. 7, then you could twist the Chapter is speaking about the Ten Commandments or all of God's Laws and those who didn't read the rest of the Bible might be tricked into believing you.. And you could use it to further the Mainstream Christian doctrine that you are free to create your own Righteousness and commandments and reject God's as you see fit.

But if you read the scripture written prior to the ones you picked, then the understanding of your chosen verses become more clear. Then we can see there is a subject here, and the subject is the "Priesthood, Old Covenant and new Covenant. If this chapter goes against your preaching then I wouldn't just ignore the scriptures, I would ignore the preaching.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The Author specifically mentions the "Levitical Priesthood". These are not my words.
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Again, no mention of 10 Commandments, Holy Days, Food Laws, only the Law as it pertains to the Priesthood.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; (Not Levi which the Priesthood was given to)of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Are you really preaching that the Author changed the subject, out of the blue, between verse 15 and verse 16?

Are you really preaching that Heb. 7 isn't speaking to the Levitical Priesthood?

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