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valiant

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Dagallen said:
You are another person who is the perfect example of what it means to try to attack any one who does not back your belief, you don't know who I am because I would not waste my time to tell you, why you don't know what I believe, you created a box where you dwell, can you put God in a box ? No ! So who's in the box with you ? No one, you are alone.
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yes definitely JW
 
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Dagallen

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When Constantine became the ruler of the Roman Empire, the proclaimed Christians were divided over the relationship between God and God's Son, Jesus Christ. The questions was, was Jesus God himself, as Christians did not believe that he was or was he created by God. In hopes of settling this matter, Constantine summoned the church leaders to Nicaea, not because he sought any religious truth but he did not want the Roman Empire divided. The Constantine made his request, that the bishops reach an unanimous accord on these matters, as the bishops had no clear evidence, they remained divided, as the Constantine gave an order to the council, to adopt the ambiguous notion, that Jesus himself was one substance with the Father, as this choice was an unbiblical Greek philosophical belief laid for the foundation of the trinity doctrine and has essentially taken the form it has ti day, under the order of the Constantine himself and carried out by the bishops, as the trinity then was set up in the church creeds by the end of the forth century. Early Christians did not believe Jesus was God himself, they also did not believe, that the Holy Spirit was an actual person. 1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things and we in him and to one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things and we by him.
 
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Dagallen

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After Jesus was already raised, he says, be not afraid, go tell my brothers that they go to Galilee and there shall they see me. Matthew 28:10 ( Does God have any brothers ? No !
 
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Dagallen

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Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to God's abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. ( God the Father gave Jesus life again and Jesus raised his body up and walked ) 1Peter 1:3
 
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Dagallen

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And the word you hear is not mine but the Father ( God ) which sent me. John 14:24
 
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Dagallen

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For I have not spoken of myself but the Father which sent me. John 12:49
 
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Bronson

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Dagallen said:
They are all through the scriptures, Jesus used all of such terms, if you can't see them for what they are when used in scriptures, then you will never have understanding, so he taught with proverbs, what does that mean ? Do you know ? When and where did he use them in scriptures ? What was his purpose in using them ? Me avoiding scriptures ? Not at all ? Avoiding your BS ? You bet !
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Avoid with all your blindness will allow, I wont mind one bit.
 
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Dagallen

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Say ye of him, whom the Father ( God ) has sanctified ( made free from sin ) and sent into the world, You ( Jews ) blasphemest because I said, I am the Son of God ? John 10:36
 
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Dagallen

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Bronson said:
Avoid with all your blindness will allow, I wont mind one bit.
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Step aside meat head, you people wanted scriptures, their is plenty, just tell me when you are full ?
 
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graceNpeace

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Dagallen said:
Say ye of him, whom the Father ( God ) has sanctified ( made free from sin ) and sent into the world, You ( Jews ) blasphemest because I said, I am the Son of God ? John 10:36
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Obviously you don't realise that this text is affirming that Jesus, was, in fact, God!
 
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Dagallen

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And I know that God's commandment is life every lasting, whatsoever the Father ( God's ) I speak therefore, even as the Father ( God ) said unto me, so I speak. John 12:50
 
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bluto

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Dagallen said:
Say ye of him, whom the Father ( God ) has sanctified ( made free from sin ) and sent into the world, You ( Jews ) blasphemest because I said, I am the Son of God ? John 10:36
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Right dagallen, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since that is true then why does the high priest Caiaphas at the trial of Jesus Christ say at Matthew 26:63, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ/Messiah the Son of God."

In other words, why does Jesus have to take an oath to admit that He is the (1) the Christ or Messiah and (2) the Son of God? Jesus does say at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." So tell me why according to Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and says, "HE HAS BLASPHEMED?" Why is He accused of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God when the Jews themselves say they are sons of God as well? So did Jesus blaspheme, if so how, if He did not then why not? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
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Bronson

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Dalegen, just keep taking your pills, it will be all right on the day. But your are getting aggressive now, a sure sign that you are losing the plot.
 
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Dagallen

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bluto said:
Right dagallen, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since that is true then why does the high priest Caiaphas at the trial of Jesus Christ say at Matthew 26:63, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ/Messiah the Son of God."

In other words, why does Jesus have to take an oath to admit that He is the (1) the Christ or Messiah and (2) the Son of God? Jesus does say at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." So tell me why according to Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and says, "HE HAS BLASPHEMED?" Why is He accused of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God when the Jews themselves say they are sons of God as well? So did Jesus blaspheme, if so how, if He did not then why not? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well well, look who has return. Hope you are having a great day.
 
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Dagallen

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Bronson said:
Dalegen, just keep taking your pills, it will be all right on the day. But your are getting aggressive now, a sure sign that you are losing the plot.
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Me aggressive, what are you going to come up with next ?
 
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Bronson

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Jul 26, 2017
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Dagallen said:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which according to God's abundant mercy has begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. ( God the Father gave Jesus life again and Jesus raised his body up and walked ) 1Peter 1:3
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So, God died! So God didn’t die? So there is no mention in this, as you explain it, suicide pact? So who looked after the world and the universe fro three days whilst God was dead?
 
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Bronson

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Jul 26, 2017
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what is calling me names mean then? Is it t hat you are ignorant and can't think of something intelligent to say? I am not going down this track with you, it is insulting to gain a useless point.
 
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