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You still do not want to learn what Trinity means.
It means there is ONE God with three PERSONS.
In this one true God, the person of the Son is submitted to the person of Father.
The example with Abraham and Isaac was just an example so that you can comprehend that the essence of the son is the same as of the father. What is born of a cat,is a cat. What is born of a human, is a human. What is born of God is God.
It means there is ONE God with three PERSONS.
In this one true God, the person of the Son is submitted to the person of Father.
The example with Abraham and Isaac was just an example so that you can comprehend that the essence of the son is the same as of the father. What is born of a cat,is a cat. What is born of a human, is a human. What is born of God is God.
No, Son is not Father and your son is not you.
Your son is human and you are human.
Son is God and Father is God.
The only difference is that our natural laws make you to be two separate beings while in the light where God dwells they are just one complex being, one true God. Something similar to us being one humanity organism, the unity of Father and Son is so much tighter than between us, so they are one God.
Your son is human and you are human.
Son is God and Father is God.
The only difference is that our natural laws make you to be two separate beings while in the light where God dwells they are just one complex being, one true God. Something similar to us being one humanity organism, the unity of Father and Son is so much tighter than between us, so they are one God.
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My son came from me, we are of the same nature but my son is not me. The Son of God came from God, they are of the same nature but the Son is not God, just as my son is not me. I gave my son my name, I gave my son a message to speak to all, my son went in my name, my son spoke what I commanded him to speak, does that make my son, me ?
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Question. If Jesus is not God then what does this mean? Why is God calling Jesus God?
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." Of the angels he says, "He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire." But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom." Hebrews 1:1-8
"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." Of the angels he says, "He makes his angels winds, and his ministers a flame of fire." But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom." Hebrews 1:1-8
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Trofimus, I don't understand how this is a debate? Is Jesus God? If He isn't, then we all have a problem don't we? Genesis 1 tells how God (the Father) created everything. In 1 Colossians it tells us how everything was created for and by Jesus. Either the Bible contradicts itself in several places OR it is trying to tell us that God and Jesus are one and the same? My son figured this out without the help of a Pastor or scholar when he was still in his pre-teens and excitedly came to ask me if I knew that Jesus was God...
But your son and you have a totally separate existence. You are totally separate people. You are different beings.. You think and act differently and independently. But God is not like that.
The Son and the Father were always in agreement. They acted as one, and will always act as one. They are one Being in threeness.,
You make the mistake of thinking you can understand God by natural reason. But God is above and beyond us. We only know the truth about God by revelation. And even then we see through a mirror darkly. We can never understand what He is like.
We take Him at His word, Father, Son & Holy Spirit,
The Son and the Father were always in agreement. They acted as one, and will always act as one. They are one Being in threeness.,
You make the mistake of thinking you can understand God by natural reason. But God is above and beyond us. We only know the truth about God by revelation. And even then we see through a mirror darkly. We can never understand what He is like.
We take Him at His word, Father, Son & Holy Spirit,
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Jesus Christ, and He alone, is called His own Son. He is therefore God.
But the Father Son analogy is for our benefit. The Son was not born later than the Father, He was called the Son to us so that we would recognise that He is of the same nature as the Father. That is why we speak of Him as eternally begotten.
He is only called the Son in the NT. Before that the concept of Father and Son as such was unknown. It was not revealed
But the Father Son analogy is for our benefit. The Son was not born later than the Father, He was called the Son to us so that we would recognise that He is of the same nature as the Father. That is why we speak of Him as eternally begotten.
He is only called the Son in the NT. Before that the concept of Father and Son as such was unknown. It was not revealed
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What about this?
"I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession."
Psalm 2:7
"Serve the LORD with fear and celebrate his rule with trembling.
Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him."
Psalm 2:11
"Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!"
Proverbs 30:4
"I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you. Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession."
Psalm 2:7
"Serve the LORD with fear and celebrate his rule with trembling.
Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him."
Psalm 2:11
"Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!"
Proverbs 30:4
