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The Holy Spirit is in fact God's active force. God allowed the manifestation of this active force to be upon men at Pentecost and in other circumstances. Most definitely in the Hebrew scriptures there are many instances of God's Active force at work.
AS far as the trinity is concerned, just have a think about this. There are many important matters in the Bible that are unmistakable, if the trinity theory is so important to religion, why has it not been written with grater assurance? Simple, it is not a part of God's word.
I have said many times that the only one that is trying to enforce these thoughts into the minds of man is the one who wishes to put lie to God, the Creator, Jehovah and his majestic supremacy, which is the continuation of Satan’s challenge in Eden.
AS far as the trinity is concerned, just have a think about this. There are many important matters in the Bible that are unmistakable, if the trinity theory is so important to religion, why has it not been written with grater assurance? Simple, it is not a part of God's word.
I have said many times that the only one that is trying to enforce these thoughts into the minds of man is the one who wishes to put lie to God, the Creator, Jehovah and his majestic supremacy, which is the continuation of Satan’s challenge in Eden.
Well bronson, suppose you address this post since dagallen here can't anwer. Here it is again and just insert your name where dagallen's name is. :rollyeyes:
Right dagallen, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since that is true then why does the high priest Caiaphas at the trial of Jesus Christ say at Matthew 26:63, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ/Messiah the Son of God."
In other words, why does Jesus have to take an oath to admit that He is the (1) the Christ or Messiah and (2) the Son of God? Jesus does say at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." So tell me why according to Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and says, "HE HAS BLASPHEMED?" Why is He accused of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God when the Jews themselves say they are sons of God as well? So did Jesus blaspheme, if so how, if He did not then why not?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Right dagallen, Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since that is true then why does the high priest Caiaphas at the trial of Jesus Christ say at Matthew 26:63, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ/Messiah the Son of God."
In other words, why does Jesus have to take an oath to admit that He is the (1) the Christ or Messiah and (2) the Son of God? Jesus does say at Luke 22:70, "Yes, I am." So tell me why according to Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and says, "HE HAS BLASPHEMED?" Why is He accused of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God when the Jews themselves say they are sons of God as well? So did Jesus blaspheme, if so how, if He did not then why not?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well dagallen, some people do have other things to attend to outside of these forums. And yes, I'm having a great day as opposed to you where your lunch, I mean at this hour your dinner is being handed to you.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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[h=2]The “I will not give my glory to another” Dilemma[/h]November 21, 2009 by enlightenedhope
I have been ruminating over this verse. I have mentioned it before in a previous post. I believe it is very important to understand this verse. The Lord says, “He will not give His glory to another”. So, how are we to comprehend the following verse in John 1:14…
‘The Word”, which is Jesus, “became flesh and dwelt among us and we have seen HIS glory, the glory of the One and Only, who CAME FROM the Father”. So, in other Words, we have seen the glory of the Father in His Son.
And this verse in John 8:54…
So, the Father glorifies the Son. Isn’t this starting to look like God is giving His glory to another?
And what about these verses in John 13:31-32?…
[h=3]How can the Bible be so contradictory?[/h]How can God say “He won’t share His glory with another” and then, when Jesus comes along, start sharing His glory with Him? Well, the truth is, there is no contradiction. There is no doctrinal crisis. But how can this be resolved?
John 17:5 says…
Jesus had the Father’s glory before the world began and Jesus shared in the Father’s glory when He was physically here on earth. Why?
[h=3]Because Jesus is God![/h]God is not sharing His glory, He said He would never do that. Jesus is God! (and God is Jesus).
[h=3]The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father[/h][h=3]Jesus and the Father are One[/h]
[h=2]The “I will not give my glory to another” Dilemma[/h]November 21, 2009 by enlightenedhope
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. [Isa 42:8]
“The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” NIV
And this verse in John 8:54…
“Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.” NIV
And what about these verses in John 13:31-32?…
“When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.” NIV
John 17:5 says…
“And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. NIV”
[h=3]Because Jesus is God![/h]God is not sharing His glory, He said He would never do that. Jesus is God! (and God is Jesus).
[h=3]The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father[/h]
“But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” NIV [John 10:38]
“I and the Father are one.” NIV [John 10:30]
In that day you will know that I am in union with my Father and you are in union with me and I am in union with you.+ [SUP]21 [/SUP] Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. In turn, whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will clearly show myself to him.”
Here it would show to the trinitarians that the trinity consisted of God Jesus, the Holy Spirit as a different identity and persona and the 11 desciples..Seems the trinity consists of 11+3 or 14 persons as Judus miss out
“I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you. [SUP]26 [/SUP] But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.+ [SUP]27 [/SUP] I leave you peace; I give you my .
The Holy Spirit, God's active force has been a helper for all of creation and before as it was through God's active force that all things came into being, including Jesus, God's only begotten son. God allowed his active force to enter the hearts of many of the faithful Christians and continues to do so. However, there is not much, if any, spirituality in Christendom today.
14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am
Doesn't sound like Jesus is claiming to be equal to his heavenly father. Hey?
31. But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do.
But the trinity would say ' I commanded myself to do so'.
It goes on and on about the separation of the son , the father and God's Helper.
Here it would show to the trinitarians that the trinity consisted of God Jesus, the Holy Spirit as a different identity and persona and the 11 desciples..Seems the trinity consists of 11+3 or 14 persons as Judus miss out
“I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you. [SUP]26 [/SUP] But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.+ [SUP]27 [/SUP] I leave you peace; I give you my .
The Holy Spirit, God's active force has been a helper for all of creation and before as it was through God's active force that all things came into being, including Jesus, God's only begotten son. God allowed his active force to enter the hearts of many of the faithful Christians and continues to do so. However, there is not much, if any, spirituality in Christendom today.
14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am
Doesn't sound like Jesus is claiming to be equal to his heavenly father. Hey?
31. But for the world to know that I love the Father, I am doing just as the Father has commanded me to do.
But the trinity would say ' I commanded myself to do so'.
It goes on and on about the separation of the son , the father and God's Helper.
"as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come."
"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
"No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also."
"I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray."
John 2
Son is from Father (surprise!) and because Father has a primacy, He is greater and Son is submitted to Him.
It says nothing about not being of one essence. Like Abraham was greater than Isaac, but that does not mean that Isaac was not human like Abraham was.
Father is greater than Son but that does not mean Son is not God as Father is.
It says nothing about not being of one essence. Like Abraham was greater than Isaac, but that does not mean that Isaac was not human like Abraham was.
Father is greater than Son but that does not mean Son is not God as Father is.
Pity you can't use discernment. But that's the trouble with you JWS.
That clearly refers to the Holy Spirit as a separate persona. He comes from the Father, being sent by the Father, and will teach us,
But He would TEACH us. That requires more than an active force.
He is speaking in His manhood wen He had emptied Himself and set aside His glory (John 17.5).
But He was a man upon earth. There were many men who were greater in status than Him whilst He was on earth,
You do not understand the doctrine of the Triune God, that is obvious. Jesus as a man was obedient to the Father, and was distinct from the Father,
And there you have the triune God.
That clearly refers to the Holy Spirit as a separate persona. He comes from the Father, being sent by the Father, and will teach us,
But He would TEACH us. That requires more than an active force.
He is speaking in His manhood wen He had emptied Himself and set aside His glory (John 17.5).
But He was a man upon earth. There were many men who were greater in status than Him whilst He was on earth,
You do not understand the doctrine of the Triune God, that is obvious. Jesus as a man was obedient to the Father, and was distinct from the Father,
And there you have the triune God.