The Whole Armour of God

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Zmouth said:
Seems there is one thing missing, one thing that wooden necessarily be considered fashionable, I've cross off all the items listed but there just seems to one thing missing. Maybe someone will remember it.
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Zmouth, your sarcasm is duly noted. I chuckled. You are a hoot, for sure, my brother. ;)

And yes, I mentioned the Atonement. If not for the agony of the Cross of Jesus Christ our Lord, the price He paid to redeem us, there would be no armour at all. But praise be to God, the Spirit which Resurrected the body of Christ Jesus and brought Him out of the tomb now dwells in us!! We are now His workmanship created for His good works. \:D/ Glory to God!
 
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Amen and Paul uses the analogy of a Roman suit of armor......notice what is missing....something for the back as a Roman was expected to HOLD his ground and if he turned to flee was to be cut down by his fellow soldiers.....As a servant we are to hold our ground and notice the double emphasis (vs. 11, 13) upon taking on the WHOLE SUIT as one who takes bits and pieces will not be able to stand their ground as a good soldier of the cross....
 
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Brother JesusIsAll, God cannot be tempted because God is Spirit. Jesus WAS tempted because He was in the form of a man.

Temptation is NOT sin, Brother. Temptation is how our bodies and minds instinctively react. Temptation makes us come to a decision to respond in a right way or react in a wrong way.

Jesus had a physical body, Jesus had emotions, Jesus got tired, Jesus got frustrated and angry (yet did not sin), Jesus wept in frustration when Mary & Martha didn't believe He could raise Lazarus from the dead, Jesus was very hungry for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and exhausted when He was attacked by the devil. Jesus felt overwhelmed with grief and agony in the Garden of Gethsemane when His sweat was drops of blood. Jesus felt them rip His beard out. Jesus felt the thorns violently pressed into His head. Jesus felt them rip His skin off in strips as they whipped Him with leather straps tied with pieces of metal and bone, Jesus felt the Cross too heavy on His bruised and bleeding shoulders when He fell on His knees and someone needed to help Him carry it, Jesus felt the spikes go through His wrists and feet, Jesus felt excruciatingly thirsty on the Cross, Jesus felt the suffocation of trying to breathe as crucifixion makes it near impossible to inhale or exhale, Jesus felt His heart break that people didn't understand how much He loved them and wanted them free....
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen and Paul uses the analogy of a Roman suit of armor......notice what is missing....something for the back as a Roman was expected to HOLD his ground and if he turned to flee was to be cut down by his fellow soldiers.....As a servant we are to hold our ground and notice the double emphasis (vs. 11, 13) upon taking on the WHOLE SUIT as one who takes bits and pieces will not be able to stand their ground as a good soldier of the cross....
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Yes, it's like our hearts are the cores of our souls/spirits, our heads the instrument of quality of mindfulness (garbage in, garbage out), our shoes our walk, our sword the word of God: any deficit is a potential Achilles heel, to evil in high places, from down the ages, that know all the cracks and how to exploit them.
 
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MaggieMye said:
OK....so just HOW does one WEAR the armor? Take care of the Armor? Most people just recite the verses without a clue as to HOW. And then, basically, that wonderful spiritual suit of armor sits in the corner, rusting, ineffective...and so not doing what it is intended to do.
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Through faith in Jesus Christ we put on the Armour of God. Each part of the Armour represents part of our relationship with Christ. As long as we live our lives according to God's Word in willful prayer, study and communion with God our Armour will stay strong bright and shiny.

This is also something we should never take off or set aside. As soon as we "remove" one piece we become vulnerable to attacks from the enemy.
 
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VioletReigns said:
Brother JesusIsAll, God cannot be tempted because God is Spirit. Jesus WAS tempted because He was in the form of a man. Jesus had a physical body, Jesus had emotions, Jesus got tired, Jesus got frustrated and angry (yet did not sin), Jesus wept in frustration when Mary & Martha didn't believe He could raise Lazarus from the dead, Jesus was very hungry for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and exhausted when He was attacked by the devil. Jesus felt overwhelmed with grief and agony in the Garden of Gethsemane when His sweat was drops of blood. Jesus felt them rip His beard out. Jesus felt the thorns violently pressed into His head. Jesus felt them rip His skin off in strips as they whipped Him with leather straps tied with pieces of metal and bone, Jesus felt the Cross too heavy on His bruised and bleeding shoulders when He fell on His knees and someone needed to help Him carry it, Jesus felt the spikes go through His wrists and feet, Jesus felt excruciatingly thirsty on the Cross, Jesus felt the suffocation of trying to breathe as crucifixion makes it near impossible to inhale or exhale, Jesus felt His heart break that people didn't understand how much He loved them and wanted them free....
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What you're saying is completely true, no doubt, just that I've never thought, for a minute, our Lord was of any mind to give an inch.
 
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MaggieMye said:
OK....so just HOW does one WEAR the armor? Take care of the Armor? Most people just recite the verses without a clue as to HOW. And then, basically, that wonderful spiritual suit of armor sits in the corner, rusting, ineffective...and so not doing what it is intended to do.
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Sister Maggie, there is no suit of metal, there's no chance of it rusting, there's nothing to pick up with your hands and place on your person, there is no suit sitting in a corner. There is only Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 6 is instructing you to be so fully associated with Jesus, so intimately related to Him, so familiar with His Holy Word, that you allow Him to take over your life. That you seek Him for every need, all your guidance, and trust Him to take care of you and help you become more like Him. It is telling us to BELIEVE Jesus has everything covered and is in control.

We speak the Word, not as a child at a recital, but as confirmation that what God said, He will do. It is BELIEVING and OBEYING. :)
 
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Brother JesusIsAll, God cannot be tempted because God is Spirit. Jesus WAS tempted because He was in the form of a man.

Temptation is NOT sin, Brother. Temptation is how our bodies and minds instinctively react. Temptation makes us come to a decision to respond in a right way or react in a wrong way.

Jesus had a physical body, Jesus had emotions, Jesus got tired, Jesus got frustrated and angry (yet did not sin), Jesus wept in frustration when Mary & Martha didn't believe He could raise Lazarus from the dead, Jesus was very hungry for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and exhausted when He was attacked by the devil. Jesus felt overwhelmed with grief and agony in the Garden of Gethsemane when His sweat was drops of blood. Jesus felt them rip His beard out. Jesus felt the thorns violently pressed into His head. Jesus felt them rip His skin off in strips as they whipped Him with leather straps tied with pieces of metal and bone, Jesus felt the Cross too heavy on His bruised and bleeding shoulders when He fell on His knees and someone needed to help Him carry it, Jesus felt the spikes go through His wrists and feet, Jesus felt excruciatingly thirsty on the Cross, Jesus felt the suffocation of trying to breathe as crucifixion makes it near impossible to inhale or exhale, Jesus felt His heart break that people didn't understand how much He loved them and wanted them free....
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He also had a moment of weakness...Father, if it be possible let this cup pass from me......
 
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JesusIsAll said:
What you're saying is completely true, no doubt, just that I've never thought, for a minute, our Lord was of any mind to give an inch.
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We sometimes forget that not only was Jesus fully God but, He was also fully man. So yes Jesus could be tempted in His earthly body. Jesus, by being tempted by Satan, showed us exactly how to use the Armour of God. He used every part of the Armour of God.
 
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VioletReigns said:
Brother JesusIsAll, God cannot be tempted because God is Spirit. Jesus WAS tempted because He was in the form of a man.

Temptation is NOT sin, Brother. Temptation is how our bodies and minds instinctively react. Temptation makes us come to a decision to respond in a right way or react in a wrong way.

Jesus had a physical body, Jesus had emotions, Jesus got tired, Jesus got frustrated and angry (yet did not sin), Jesus wept in frustration when Mary & Martha didn't believe He could raise Lazarus from the dead, Jesus was very hungry for 40 days and nights in the wilderness and exhausted when He was attacked by the devil. Jesus felt overwhelmed with grief and agony in the Garden of Gethsemane when His sweat was drops of blood. Jesus felt them rip His beard out. Jesus felt the thorns violently pressed into His head. Jesus felt them rip His skin off in strips as they whipped Him with leather straps tied with pieces of metal and bone, Jesus felt the Cross too heavy on His bruised and bleeding shoulders when He fell on His knees and someone needed to help Him carry it, Jesus felt the spikes go through His wrists and feet, Jesus felt excruciatingly thirsty on the Cross, Jesus felt the suffocation of trying to breathe as crucifixion makes it near impossible to inhale or exhale, Jesus felt His heart break that people didn't understand how much He loved them and wanted them free....
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When a guy comes by with some hot watches he wants to sell me, I can say to others that I was tempted by some guy but yet I had no actual interest in the temptation given. It's the same with Jesus when he was tempted by the devil. Jesus did not actually consider in doing evil (i.e. to be tempted himself to do wrong); The temptation was only one way by the one who was tempting him. For Jesus said if you even look upon another in lust, you have committed adultery already in your heart. See, Jesus could not think about doing evil as a consideration because it would have been a sin; And Jesus was without sin.
 
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When a guy comes by with some hot watches he wants to sell me, I can say to others that I was tempted by some guy but yet I had no actual interest in the temptation given. It's the same with Jesus when he was tempted by the devil. Jesus did not actually consider in doing evil (i.e. to be tempted himself to do wrong); The temptation was only one way by the one who was tempting him. For Jesus said if you even look upon another in lust, you have committed adultery already in your heart. See, Jesus could not think about doing evil as a consideration because it would have been a sin; And Jesus was without sin.
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Hebrews 2:18 He himself suffered being tempted<--peirazo--entice, prove, to tempt
Same word applied to his temptation in the wilderness
Hebrews 4:15 Was tempted (enticed) in all points like as we are tempted

You can be enticed without actually fulfilling the act in mind and or body....Jesus was fully human and limited by his flesh as he disrobed himself of the glory he had with the Father before the casting down of the World....

I don't believe for one second that Jesus would have failed and or given in to the enticement which would have led to sin, but I also have a hard time believing that if he were not enticed in the same manner that we are that he could be the strength/mediator that he is for humanity. He even hit the bottom and had a close moment of weakness when he prayed that The cup he had been given of the Father be allowed to pass from him if it were possible...there is a definite fine line for sure!
 
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dcontroversal said:
He also had a moment of weakness...Father, if it be possible let this cup pass from me......
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I suppose, but you want to know from weakness? I'd have high-tailed it out of town!
 
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I suppose, but you want to know from weakness? I'd have high-tailed it out of town!
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None of us could have drank from that cup as we have all failed the Lord trillions of times to the 100th power! All being humanity collectively!
 
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dcontroversal said:
None of us could have drank from that cup as we have all failed the Lord trillions of times to the 100th power!
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I know, and I can't be sure our Lord was even being weak, to be strongly disgusted over heinous barbarity of man difficult to grasp. What was done to our Lord was very heinous and completely disgusting, repulsive, to do such violence to any man. Whatever the case, it brings shame over sin into very real perspective!
 
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Anyways, I was thinking the loins gird about with Truth is exclusively setting out to train other believers and in making sure you are a good Berean having correct doctrine on Scripture in Truth. How so? Well, Scripture mentions how certain men of God had children out of their loins. So one needs to study to show themselves approved unto God and then they need to teach others (i.e. To feed the sheep or to build up the faith in their spiritual family). This is a part of having fellowship. We are stronger together than we are by ourselves. For nobody goes into battle as a one man army by themselves. They duplicate themselves and are stronger together in Christ.

Whereas, wielding the Sword is more an offensive weapon where one quotes Scripture in discussing various different topics about life to those who need the Light of God's Word.

Feet shod with the Gospel of Peace is about setting out to exclusively preach and or spread the good news of Jesus Christ to other people.
 
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Romans 8:7 - Because the mind of the flesh is enmity (an enemy) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God; for neither indeed can it be
The flesh, the body, is subject or controlled by feelings. It tells you when it’s hungry or when it has a need. That’s the way God created it. Temptation is the body saying, “I want what I want.”
It is impossible for the body of itself to obey God. We have to have the mind of Jesus Christ to know to obey God and believe Him to meet all of our needs.
Jesus’ body felt the same things as we do. Except Jesus’ mind was already made up to obey the Father and not obey His flesh.
Romans 7:25 - I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (the mind of Christ) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul is explaining that to be so related to Jesus Christ, you can learn how to obey by following Him day by day and with the temptation learn to overcome the flesh.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Anyways, I was thinking the loins gird about with Truth is exclusively setting out to train other believers and in making sure you are a good Berean having correct doctrine on Scripture in Truth. How so? Well, Scripture mentions how certain men of God had children out of their loins. So one needs to study to show themselves approved unto God and then they need to teach others (i.e. To feed the sheep or to build up the faith in their spiritual family). This is a part of having fellowship. We are stronger together than we are by ourselves. For nobody goes into battle as a one man army by themselves. They duplicate themselves and are stronger together in Christ.

Whereas, wielding the Sword is more an offensive weapon where one quotes Scripture in discussing various different topics about life to those who need the Light of God's Word.

Feet shod with the Gospel of Peace is about setting out to exclusively preach and or spread the good news of Jesus Christ to other people.
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The sword of the Spirit is also a defensive weapon. By the Word of God we can defend against false teaching.

The feet shod in the gospel of truth are to stand our ground. Think of these as football cleats. The spikes dig into the ground so we are unmoving. The also give us purchase on the ground when we push forward. With the gospel of peace we know we can be unmoved by the attacks of the enemy.

To gird up your loins in "football terms" means to make your clothing tight so the attacker has nothing to grab onto. The belt of truth tightened around our waist gives us that hope in God. Without truth we cannot have hope thus the enemy can feed us false lies and drag us to the ground. If the enemy has nothing to grab onto he cannot pull us down.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Hebrews 2:18 He himself suffered being tempted<--peirazo--entice, prove, to tempt
Same word applied to his temptation in the wilderness
Hebrews 4:15 Was tempted (enticed) in all points like as we are tempted

You can be enticed without actually fulfilling the act in mind and or body....Jesus was fully human and limited by his flesh as he disrobed himself of the glory he had with the Father before the casting down of the World....

I don't believe for one second that Jesus would have failed and or given in to the enticement which would have led to sin, but I also have a hard time believing that if he were not enticed in the same manner that we are that he could be the strength/mediator that he is for humanity. He even hit the bottom and had a close moment of weakness when he prayed that The cup he had been given of the Father be allowed to pass from him if it were possible...there is a definite fine line for sure!
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It's not about failing or passing the test. There was never any room for failure because it was God Almighty in the flesh. See, that's what this is all about. It's about who Jesus actually was. See, if you removed the shell of the physical body and certain limitations that God had placed upon Himself in the second person of the Son, there is no room for God to consider in doing evil. If you are proposing that the Eternal Holy Son of God could have bad or evil feelings enter His thoughts for even a nano second, then this what I would call the Star Wars view. You know, where a person could be tempted to give into their feelings of good or hate (evil); As if they had two natures (One good and one bad) Jesus did not have any feelings of evil. Jesus was not bad in any way shape or form. There was nothing ever bad about Jesus. He is 100% good. Jesus is God and without sin. He is the Word made flesh. There was no fracture in the Godhead. God always acts in agreement with Himself. God always acts perfectly.

What Hebrews is saying is that when He was tempted in all points like us, it is saying that Jesus had suppressed (Not eliminated) His divine attribute of Omniscience so as to be tempted like we are. Meaning, God cannot be tempted because He has all knowledge of everything. However, Jesus had limited knowledge, and so the temptation was just like ours. Yet, Jesus did NOT EVER, consider in doing evil EVER. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER. It's not possible! Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.

Jesus did not also consider in refusing in going to the cross either in the Garden. For if Jesus did consider in refusing in going to the cross, then that would make him hypocritical for rebuking Peter in him not wanting to go to the cross. See, Jesus had limited knowledge, and because of this limited knowledge He was asking the Father out of quick desperation if there was another way according to His will to deal with our sin. However, being in prayer with the Father, Jesus then realized that it must be His will that He take the cup (i.e. the cup that had all our sins within it). But Jesus never actually refused in going to the cross in the Garden. That never happened.
 
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Jason0047 said:
It's not about failing or passing the test. There was never any room for failure because it was God Almighty in the flesh. See, that's what this is all about. It's about who Jesus actually was. See, if you removed the shell of the physical body and certain limitations that God had placed upon Himself in the second person of the Son, there is no room for God to consider in doing evil. If you are proposing that the Eternal Holy Son of God could have bad or evil feelings enter His thoughts for even a nano second, then this what I would call the Star Wars view. You know, where a person could be tempted to give into their feelings of good or hate (evil); As if they had two natures (One good and one bad) Jesus did not have any feelings of evil. Jesus was not bad in any way shape or form. There was nothing ever bad about Jesus. He is 100% good. Jesus is God and without sin. He is the Word made flesh. There was no fracture in the Godhead. God always acts in agreement with Himself. God always acts perfectly.

What Hebrews is saying is that when He was tempted in all points like us, it is saying that Jesus had suppressed (Not eliminated) His divine attribute of Omniscience so as to be tempted like we are. Meaning, God cannot be tempted because He has all knowledge of everything. However, Jesus had limited knowledge, and so the temptation was just like ours. Yet, Jesus did NOT EVER, consider in doing evil EVER. NOT ONCE. NOT EVER. It's not possible! Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.

Jesus did not also consider in refusing in going to the cross either in the Garden. For if Jesus did consider in refusing in going to the cross, then that would make him hypocritical for rebuking Peter in him not wanting to go to the cross. See, Jesus had limited knowledge, and because of this limited knowledge He was asking the Father out of quick desperation if there was another way according to His will to deal with our sin. However, being in prayer with the Father, Jesus then realized that it must be His will that He take the cup (i.e. the cup that had all our sins within it). But Jesus never actually refused in going to the cross in the Garden. That never happened.
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I suggest you re-read what I wrote and do a little study on the limitations that Jesus had by dis-robing himself of the glory that he had with the Father before the casting down of the world.....Like not knowing the day of his return for one. He is the primo example of what man can be when 100 percent led by the Spirit of God and the Word of God and for the record I never said he ever CONSIDERED DOING ANY EVIL!

I don't believe for one second that Jesus would have failed and or given in to the enticement which would have led to sin<--the part you skipped in what I wrote

He learned to be OBEDIENT thru the things which he SUFFERED!
 
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