The Whole Armour of God

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VioletReigns

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Was Jesus temped or not?
Here's something to consider: TEMPTATION IS NOT SIN. :D

A more applicable question would be: Did Jesus sin? The answer: No, He did not.
 
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I tried to add this but it "timed" out on me

From what I know about you (from another forum) you are a "build them up" view. I am a "take it to the enemy stop them by any means" view. Both working in harmony. another example; you are building the ranks I'm on the front line. Both doing our job for the Glory of God! Our enemy doesn't work in that type of syncronicity. Personally I think it's the perfect balance because I know if I falter you are there to pick me back up. And I know if I fall you will take my place. Perfect balance. Only made perfect by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
The Sword is your offensive weapon. This is the Word of God. It's when you speak the Word of God or write it out so as to lead others to Christ. Feet are shod with preparation of the gospel. I am starting to see that more as preparing or studying the Word so that you can be more effective in preaching the Gospel in peace.

But besides the Sword, the armor is primarily defensive.
 
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Here's something to consider: TEMPTATION IS NOT SIN. :D

A more applicable question would be: Did Jesus sin? The answer: No, He did not.
How do you define temptation? Does not a person need to have a wrong desire for the thing they are being tempted with in order to be tempted?
 
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How do you define temptation? Does not a person need to have a wrong desire for the thing they are being tempted with in order to be tempted?
In other words, do you think Jesus had wrong desires or even potentially wrong desires?
 
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In other words, do you think Jesus had wrong desires or even potentially wrong desires?
Does not a person need to have a wrong desire for the thing they are being tempted with in order to actually be tempted?
 
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Here's something to consider: TEMPTATION IS NOT SIN. :D

A more applicable question would be: Did Jesus sin? The answer: No, He did not.
Well...you don't have to convince me as he was TEMPTED in ALL points as we are TEMPTED yet WITHOUT SIN and he did NO SIN......SO....maybe read all that was written in my posts as I agree....!
 
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As I said before, I can say I was tempted by some guy in the park with some hot watches and yet in no way have a desire for those watches.
No offence, but we are not talking some guy in the park and watches...We are taking Jesus and him being tempted in all points as we are tempted.....what does ALL POINTS mean in context? and what does AS WE ARE TEMPTED MEAN?

Obviously Jesus was without sin........!

You wrote....do these two contradict each other based upon what the scriptures teach?

Jesus did not actually consider in doing evil (i.e. to be tempted himself to do wrong); The temptation was only one way by the one who was tempting him.

OR

Second, how can you be tempted by something if you don't consider in doing the evil of that which tempts you?
 
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Jesus WAS tempted!!! Final ending...He didn't sin. If you in any way say Jesus "wasn't really tempted because He couldn't sin" then I guess Jesus wasn't fully human as the Bible says. Therefore the whole gospel of Christ is a lie.

So was Jesus truly tempted in His bodily form or not?
 
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Let me put temptation this way....

Concerning EVE

The Tree of the Knowledge tempted in three ways which Eve acknowledge...

1. Pleasant to the eyes
2. Desired to make one wise
3. Good to for food

Which was the sin....having the above thoughts or actually taking the fruit and eating?

Jesus was a HUNGERED after 40 days without food....

The thought of stones made into fresh baked bread was the temptation, but HE DID NOT ACT UPON THAT TEMPTATION, but rather quoted the word of God and made his stand.....!
 
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No offence, but we are not talking some guy in the park and watches...We are taking Jesus and him being tempted in all points as we are tempted.....what does ALL POINTS mean in context? and what does AS WE ARE TEMPTED MEAN?

Obviously Jesus was without sin........!

You wrote....do these two contradict each other based upon what the scriptures teach?

Jesus did not actually consider in doing evil (i.e. to be tempted himself to do wrong); The temptation was only one way by the one who was tempting him.

OR

Second, how can you be tempted by something if you don't consider in doing the evil of that which tempts you?
I already stated what I believe. I will ask again. How do you define temptation?
 
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Let me put temptation this way....

Concerning EVE

The Tree of the Knowledge tempted in three ways which Eve acknowledge...

1. Pleasant to the eyes
2. Desired to make one wise
3. Good to for food

Which was the sin....having the above thoughts or actually taking the fruit and eating?

Jesus was a HUNGERED after 40 days without food....

The thought stones made into fresh baked bread was the temptation, but HE DID NOT ACT UPON THAT TEMPTATION, but rather quoted the word of God and made his stand.....!
Lusting after the fruit is sin. Just as lusting after a woman, or lusting to kill someone is sin.
 
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I already stated what I believe. I will ask again. How do you define temptation?
Post 69 and why not answer the above questions in post 67 as your view contradicts itself Jason......no offence, but what you say does not jive with scriptures and your two statements contradict each other and the word of God bro.
 
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Lusting after the fruit is sin. Just as lusting after a woman, or lusting to kill someone is sin.
SO if the sin was EVE lusting after the fruit then why was their eyes not opened until after ADAM ATE....? Your view is not bearing up bro.

For as by ONE MAN sin entered into the human race....not by EVE who made the statements about the fruit and ATE before ADAM......!
 
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SO if the sin was EVE lusting after the fruit then why was their eyes not opened until after ADAM ATE....? Your view is not bearing up bro. For as by ONE MAN sin entered into the human race....not by EVE who made the statements about the fruit and ATE before ADAM......!
You are talking about the doctrine of "Federal Headship." Adam and Eve's eyes being opened is the "effect" and not the "cause"; Which is a different thing. Eve still sinned in eating of the wrong tree. However, Adam is the "federal head" of the entire human race; And sin is passed down by the male seed. Hence, why Jesus had to be born of a female virgin supernaturally. But when Adam seen that the fruit looked good to eat (lust), he bit of the fruit and sin took place (with his action), and then the result was spiritual death whereby both of their eyes were opened (Because Adam is the Federal Head of the entire human race).

In other words, first there is lust (Which is bad), that is then followed by sin (Which is bad), that then results in death (Which is bad).

James 1:15
"Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

In other words, in order for me to be tempted by something, I need to have a desire (or lust) for that thing on some level for me to actually be tempted. If there is no actual desire (lust) in a particular form of temptation put upon me, then there is no real temptation involved.

I mean seriously, if Jesus was tempted in all points like us (As you suggest), then that means you are saying that Jesus struggled to not to look at women in the wrong way. That means that there was some kind of wrong desire (or lust) in Him in order for Him to struggle in trying to refuse in not wanting to look at women the wrong way. But Jesus said if you lust after a woman, you have committed adultery already in your heart. See, that is why he was never tempted in the way that you think.

Jesus was ONLY tempted in all points like us by the fact that He had limited knowledge (While in the flesh of a man during His Earthly ministry). But Jesus never desired or lusted in doing bad. Such a thing would have brought forth sin; And there is no stage before lusting. You either have a desire to do good or you don't. Jesus' desire was always to do good. Always 100% of the time because He was the Word made flesh.
 
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Lusting after the fruit is sin. Just as lusting after a woman, or lusting to kill someone is sin.
I say this because sin always follows lust. And Jesus said if you lust after a women, you have committed adultery already within her in your heart. So please describe to me the stage before "lust." Or do you believe Jesus lusted?
 
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The clear teaching of Scripture is that Jesus was impeccable—Jesus could not have sinned. If He could have sinned, He would still be able to sin today because He retains the same essence He did while living on earth. He is the God-Man and will forever remain so, having full deity and full humanity so united in one person as to be indivisible. To believe that Jesus could sin is to believe that God could sin. “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (Colossians 1:19). Colossians 2:9 adds, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Although Jesus is fully human, He was not born with the same sinful nature that we are born with. He certainly was tempted in the same way we are, in that temptations were put before Him by Satan, yet He remained sinless because God is incapable of sinning. It is against His very nature (Matthew 4:1; Hebrews 2:18, 4:15; James 1:13). Sin is by definition a trespass of the Law. God created the Law, and the Law is by nature what God would or would not do; therefore, sin is anything that God would not do by His very nature.

Those who hold to peccability believe that, if Jesus could not have sinned, He could not have truly experienced temptation, and therefore could not truly empathize with our struggles and temptations against sin. We have to remember that one does not have to experience something in order to understand it. God knows everything about everything. While God has never had the desire to sin, and has most definitely never sinned, God knows and understands what sin is. God knows and understands what it is like to be tempted. Jesus can empathize with our temptations because He knows, not because He has “experienced” all the same things we have.

Jesus knows what it is like to be tempted, but He does not know what it is like to sin. This does not prevent Him from assisting us. We are tempted with sins that are common to man (1 Corinthians 10:13).

God is love.
And God loved us so much that He came down into the flesh of a man to die for our sins.

For what is the absence of light?

Darkness.

What is the absence of heat?

Cold.

What is the absence of God or love?

Sin.

For anything that is not of God is sin.

So to propose that God in human flesh (that he created) could make Him be something that He is not only illogical but it is impossible.

Source Used:
http://www.gotquestions.org/could-Je...ve-sinned.html
 
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Hebrews 4:15 - "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

Christ was tempted LIKE as we are. For the word "like" is used to compare something to another (or in making a parallel to something similar). The greek word "κατά" is linked to he Greek word "ταὐτά" in Luke 6:23, which is also transliterated as the word "like".

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=G2596&t=KJV
Click on full entry for the reference of Luke 6:23 (i.e. Luk. vi 23.)

So we have to ask the question, if he was tempted as we are, then why did He not sin? Was it because He was a good and perfect person? Was it because He was created as a demi god or an angel? Was it because He had a certain portion of the divinity of God? No, most certainly not. He did not sin because He was God Almighty 100%. He did not sin because He could not be tempted. Yes, he was tempted like we are in the sense that He was in our place. But that was it; For the parallel stops there. For the Scriptures do not say that Christ was tempted EXACTLY like we are. The Bible simply uses the word "like" which can be used to make a comparison of something.

Christ was in our place. He was tempted as we were but was without sin because He was God. For we have a God who can be touched with the feelings of our infirmities unlike a high priest back in the Old Testament. He knows how we feel!

I mean, do you honestly think human flesh is enough to tempt, push, or overcome the Son of God? Ha! I don't think so! God is so much more stronger, powerful, and good than many people think He is. For Jesus did not sin because He was God Almighty in the flesh 100%.

In fact, Jesus still has a physical body today that intercedes on our behalf; And He still will never sin ever because He is God. Men are incapable of being perfect. Only God can be perfect. For Jesus said, "Why do you call me good? There is none good but God."

Anyways, I hope this helps.
 
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ChristIsGod

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OK....so just HOW does one WEAR the armor? Take care of the Armor? Most people just recite the verses without a clue as to HOW. And then, basically, that wonderful spiritual suit of armor sits in the corner, rusting, ineffective...and so not doing what it is intended to do.
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Sister VioletReigns answered this in her OP and elsewhere. "To put on the whole armour of God is to clothe ourselves with Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself is our armour."



Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.


Eph 4:23, 24 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him
 
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psychomom

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Sister VioletReigns answered this in her OP and elsewhere. "To put on the whole armour of God is to clothe ourselves with Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself is our armour."

and things went kinda sideways from Violet's original thought,
which seemed to me to be...

we don't need to get anything...
we need to live in the Reality of what we've already been given. :)