The worlds wisdom or Gods wisdom??
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M
Our cars are not the Temple of the Holy Spirit ... anyone who understands that our health is from the Lord ..should know that's based on the Holy Spirit in the believer who gives life to our mortal bodies. And I would add that God has said all food is good for the believer ...so the whole water in a car thing is a very poor point.
Oh no... I don't think anything should be done out of fear. I also don't think that people should EVER put their trust in a diet. It is all about putting trust in God. This is where things go outside of the boundaries of a list of rules that are supposed to have 100% success.
It is kind of like two people that attended the same church. One was told not to attend there anymore but the other was told that they should. The two might argue over which is right. When in fact they are both right. The one is not to attend because God has called them to be elsewhere but the other is called to remain there. I think this is where a lot of confusion begins.
So if the Holy Spirit is teaching you certain things that you should do, while teaching someone else a different lesson, neither person is in the wrong. God knows where each of us are in each facet of our lives. We should be focusing on what he wants us to learn instead of someone else. At the same time, it is beneficial to all that each shares the lessons they are learning with everyone.
Scripture talks about good behavior verses better behavior. We tend to call one good and one evil which is not the case. (I.e. "it is good to marry" versus "it is better not to marry").
It is good to trust that God will purify your body, but it is better to be a good steward of it by trusting his guidelines."
There are many things we do that are good in the sight of the Lord, yet even better things that we learn as we grow in him."
If one were to follow the diet our to fear, I would remind them that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out. Anything we do, if it not be done by faith, is vain and profits nothing.
P.S. I don't tithe to a church. After reading all of the scriptures about it, I have found that it's purpose is to have a storehouse filled for hard times, It is about applying wisdom that God gave us to be prepared; not just a Boy Scout slogan. lol But I segway as this is a completely different study of God's instruction for us to escape the troubles of the world. Again, I don't do this out of fear of what might happen. I simply do it because I trust that God's ways are higher than mine.
It is kind of like two people that attended the same church. One was told not to attend there anymore but the other was told that they should. The two might argue over which is right. When in fact they are both right. The one is not to attend because God has called them to be elsewhere but the other is called to remain there. I think this is where a lot of confusion begins.
So if the Holy Spirit is teaching you certain things that you should do, while teaching someone else a different lesson, neither person is in the wrong. God knows where each of us are in each facet of our lives. We should be focusing on what he wants us to learn instead of someone else. At the same time, it is beneficial to all that each shares the lessons they are learning with everyone.
Scripture talks about good behavior verses better behavior. We tend to call one good and one evil which is not the case. (I.e. "it is good to marry" versus "it is better not to marry").
It is good to trust that God will purify your body, but it is better to be a good steward of it by trusting his guidelines."
There are many things we do that are good in the sight of the Lord, yet even better things that we learn as we grow in him."
If one were to follow the diet our to fear, I would remind them that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out. Anything we do, if it not be done by faith, is vain and profits nothing.
P.S. I don't tithe to a church. After reading all of the scriptures about it, I have found that it's purpose is to have a storehouse filled for hard times, It is about applying wisdom that God gave us to be prepared; not just a Boy Scout slogan. lol But I segway as this is a completely different study of God's instruction for us to escape the troubles of the world. Again, I don't do this out of fear of what might happen. I simply do it because I trust that God's ways are higher than mine.
About moderation. There a many that use this argument to justify smoking marijuana saying that it is OK if done so in moderation using "all things in moderation" as justification.
However, I really think that he was talking about not engaging in lust or gluttony over the things that he created for specific proper use. Otherwise, doesn't that make anything fair game? It just doesn't seem to make sense otherwise; that you can just engage in any activity without penalty as long as you don't overdo it. Thoughts?
However, I really think that he was talking about not engaging in lust or gluttony over the things that he created for specific proper use. Otherwise, doesn't that make anything fair game? It just doesn't seem to make sense otherwise; that you can just engage in any activity without penalty as long as you don't overdo it. Thoughts?
Just want others to be aware that this is not a debate. Mitspa and I have had some really great conversations in the past. God has used him to completely change my perspective on some things before. I just wanted to put that out there cause there is so much debate on these forums sometimes that I did not want people to think that is the case. We may have just found something we don't see eye to eye on. That does not affect our love and respect for one another. 
M
You usally write a lot I can agree with mixed with a point or two I have to kinda clear-up ..Gods guidelines for the New Testament believer are moderation in faith in what we eat ... to add to that is to complicate what God has made simple for us and I believe in the end to miss the power of God to keep us healthy.
"the whole water in a car thing is a very poor point."
That was not my point. My point was:
"We know that a complicated precision device like an automobile needs healthy guidelines about what goes into it. Should not that same 'wisdom' be applied to our infinitely more complex and sensitive bodies?"
That was not my point. My point was:
"We know that a complicated precision device like an automobile needs healthy guidelines about what goes into it. Should not that same 'wisdom' be applied to our infinitely more complex and sensitive bodies?"
M
Well we don't restrict or reject the liberty God has given us in the gospel because someone might misuse the message ...Pot in itself is not the issue..the issue is why a Spirit filled believer would need a plant to give them what they should have as a fruit of the Spirit ...That issue does not change the message of moderation that the NT clearly teaches.
A
I do as well, if he really said that, taking that to an extreme, then a person could take poison and say that they trust God to look after his body. I doubt that he meant to convey that, but in terms of what he said the argument could be used in that way. I don't mean to offend you or him, but he sounds as though he is justifying his freedom to eat whatever he likes and still hoping that God will keep him in peek health condition.
It's too bad that effect doesn't work without cause, or God would never have required the Jews under the law to eat kosher foods only. But he would have just miracled their health while they ate whatever they wanted to.
The fastfood industry uses far too much oils and whatnot in preparing the foods, which can if eaten regularly over time effect the peek condition functioning of the body. There is I think something to be said for eating only kosher foods that God intended to be most healthy. Not that I eat only kosher foods but I do consider what foods would be more or less healthy in the long run (and sometimes right after I consider that, I eat some of that cheesecake anyway ).
But overall, that way I'm not simply eating what I like and somehow trusting God to look after my body, but I'm taking some measure of an active part in leaning toward health.
It's too bad that effect doesn't work without cause, or God would never have required the Jews under the law to eat kosher foods only. But he would have just miracled their health while they ate whatever they wanted to.
The fastfood industry uses far too much oils and whatnot in preparing the foods, which can if eaten regularly over time effect the peek condition functioning of the body. There is I think something to be said for eating only kosher foods that God intended to be most healthy. Not that I eat only kosher foods but I do consider what foods would be more or less healthy in the long run (and sometimes right after I consider that, I eat some of that cheesecake anyway
).But overall, that way I'm not simply eating what I like and somehow trusting God to look after my body, but I'm taking some measure of an active part in leaning toward health.
M
I do as well, if he really said that, taking that to an extreme, then a person could take poison and say that they trust God to look after his body. I doubt that he meant to convey that, but in terms of what he said the argument could be used in that way. I don't mean to offend you or him, but he sounds as though he is justifying his freedom to eat whatever he likes and still hoping that God will keep him in peek health condition.
It's too bad that effect doesn't work without cause, or God would never have required the Jews under the law to eat kosher foods only. But he would have just miracled their health while they ate whatever they wanted to.
The fastfood industry uses far too much oils and whatnot in preparing the foods, which can if eaten regularly over time effect the peek condition functioning of the body. There is I think something to be said for eating only kosher foods that God intended to be most healthy. Not that I eat only kosher foods but I do consider what foods would be more or less healthy in the long run (and sometimes right after I consider that, I eat some of that cheesecake anyway ).
But overall, that way I'm not simply eating what I like and somehow trusting God to look after my body, but I'm taking some measure of an active part in leaning toward health.
It's too bad that effect doesn't work without cause, or God would never have required the Jews under the law to eat kosher foods only. But he would have just miracled their health while they ate whatever they wanted to.
The fastfood industry uses far too much oils and whatnot in preparing the foods, which can if eaten regularly over time effect the peek condition functioning of the body. There is I think something to be said for eating only kosher foods that God intended to be most healthy. Not that I eat only kosher foods but I do consider what foods would be more or less healthy in the long run (and sometimes right after I consider that, I eat some of that cheesecake anyway
).But overall, that way I'm not simply eating what I like and somehow trusting God to look after my body, but I'm taking some measure of an active part in leaning toward health.
F
Seems to me that Mark 7:18-20 should settle the whole clean and unclean food thing for new covenant Christians.
“Are you so dull?” He asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body. (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean)"
“Are you so dull?” He asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body. (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean)"
M
This is part of my point..the fear some Christians have to eat anything unhealthy is a matter of the heart ...its a lack of faith and thus "sin" ..."whatsoever is not of faith is sin" ...its far more destructive to the body to live in this type of fear and unbelief. The biblical standard of moderation is a perfect standard for a believer to live a life of faith and not fear.
T
Interesting that this subject was brought up. I have started living a whole new lifestyle lately and have had similar queries for myself. Am I walking in the spirit ? ... is this spirit-induced or am I walking in the flesh ? ... I really don't know ...
A couple months ago I switched over from mediocre food and junk food to eating a new super healthy diet ... mostly veggies, nuts, seeds and fruits with a small amount of meats ... then I started working out at the gym and that has bloomed into full out body-building! It's going well and I am seeing much progress on all fronts.
I thank God for the progress ... but still have yet to come to the conclusion whether this is from God or from me. I DUNNO!
A couple months ago I switched over from mediocre food and junk food to eating a new super healthy diet ... mostly veggies, nuts, seeds and fruits with a small amount of meats ... then I started working out at the gym and that has bloomed into full out body-building! It's going well and I am seeing much progress on all fronts.
I thank God for the progress ... but still have yet to come to the conclusion whether this is from God or from me. I DUNNO!
Hi.
Why do we have over the last 30 years the most over weight glutinous sickest people around the world is that what this is about and all the health issues that come with this thinking eat for to morrow we die , seems to apply .
health issues abound more so take as much poison as you can get away with what enters your body will determin your health .
over weight make a list for all the health issues there alone kids used to play out side and now they many of are so over weight they cant walk to school or climb stairs can they run no they would have breathing issues their heart would fail them , the joints in their bone,s cant take the weight and wear out and cause pain ,
Check out how many are on surgery lists and what food do they eat. my term ( rat food ) even the rats are turning their nose,s up at it plus its full of chemicals do a list on that, your land is poision your rivers are as well and who by . the air you breath ,
so if your killing your self what should you do this is interesting point, call on The Lord to clean it up and sort it all out and just carry on and you carry on with your rat food , and poision ,
The Lord said I have given you what ...YOU NEED... I made your bodys and you destroy them . like every thing around you .
Your body can only work as it was designed too. so clean or unclean has little to do with any thing ...right ...not...
whats the most toxic beast that when it bites you you are infected and would be dead with in a very short time and that's not a snake or spider some animals are designed in them to be able to eat any thing and it wont hurt them in any way , mankind is not the same , so eat the wrong food what happens = sick house for you ,
and to take out of context those letters , take up a snake and it wont bite you or others , sure , who was that message refered to its not about tempting The Lord its about being wise in The Lord ,
So why do people have these issues theres many reasons , go back in time what did those first people eat and what was given them ....no meat , and what was lovely was nore did any animal , even the Lion was a good mate and if you could see their teeth you would have not seen any teeth like you do now why they ate the grass of the land and other greens for them , no large teeth there ,
From the clean dust we came and when you go back will the dust be clean . ???....
...noeleena...
Why do we have over the last 30 years the most over weight glutinous sickest people around the world is that what this is about and all the health issues that come with this thinking eat for to morrow we die , seems to apply .
health issues abound more so take as much poison as you can get away with what enters your body will determin your health .
over weight make a list for all the health issues there alone kids used to play out side and now they many of are so over weight they cant walk to school or climb stairs can they run no they would have breathing issues their heart would fail them , the joints in their bone,s cant take the weight and wear out and cause pain ,
Check out how many are on surgery lists and what food do they eat. my term ( rat food ) even the rats are turning their nose,s up at it plus its full of chemicals do a list on that, your land is poision your rivers are as well and who by . the air you breath ,
so if your killing your self what should you do this is interesting point, call on The Lord to clean it up and sort it all out and just carry on and you carry on with your rat food , and poision ,
The Lord said I have given you what ...YOU NEED... I made your bodys and you destroy them . like every thing around you .
Your body can only work as it was designed too. so clean or unclean has little to do with any thing ...right ...not...
whats the most toxic beast that when it bites you you are infected and would be dead with in a very short time and that's not a snake or spider some animals are designed in them to be able to eat any thing and it wont hurt them in any way , mankind is not the same , so eat the wrong food what happens = sick house for you ,
and to take out of context those letters , take up a snake and it wont bite you or others , sure , who was that message refered to its not about tempting The Lord its about being wise in The Lord ,
So why do people have these issues theres many reasons , go back in time what did those first people eat and what was given them ....no meat , and what was lovely was nore did any animal , even the Lion was a good mate and if you could see their teeth you would have not seen any teeth like you do now why they ate the grass of the land and other greens for them , no large teeth there ,
From the clean dust we came and when you go back will the dust be clean . ???....
...noeleena...
M
It's my experience that in the church the folks that live in fear of eating this or that..are always sick with some ailment ..and many of them die. . Why is the church like the world? Why are many sick and fall asleep just like the world?.. fear and unbelief are worse than death for a real christian.