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I always try to keep an open mind when I hear arguments on things I know little of. There are some people I respect who claim the KJV is the best translation. I really don't know if they are right or wrong. Even so, I find it very unbelievable when I hear the KJV is an inspired version and the only version that is acceptable. Yes, the word of God is inspired but a translation that is literally perfect in every sense? I doubt that highly.
 

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God will preserve his word, but he does want us to remember that the whole purpose of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation is Jesus Christ, not about the literal words in the book, but the person and Saviour that they are about!


23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. - John 14:23 (Holy Bible)

Angela, how do we keep the Lord's words if we don't have them?

And how about Psalm 12:6-7?

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. - Psalm 12:6-7 (Holy Bible)


We must have His words.


30 The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,
2 Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. - Proverbs 30:1-6 (Holy Bible)

Every word of God is pure Angela. Every word.



4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. - Luke 4:1-13 (Holy Bible)

The Lord Jesus Christ said that man is to live by every word of God.

It is there for you Angela. The Holy Bible just does not contain the words of God, the Holy Bible is the words of God.

The Holy Bible is the word of God. And it is about the literal words in the Book. And yes the core theme and message of the Bible is about a reigning King: The Lord Jesus Christ. Whose Name is the Word of God.

There are about 800 references to the Second coming of Christ in the Bible. Hence, the Second Coming of Christ is mentioned more than any other single subject by itself.

And the Manifest Word of God (
The Lord Jesus Christ) and the written word of God (The Scriptures) are inseparable.

A person should approach the word of God with humility and a contrite heart. And they should read the Bible longing to get to know the Divine Author of the Bible.


And also, I did look up those two websites that you gave links for on the other thread. And a lot of those arguments that they posted on that first site have already been answered by Bible believers.

Another thing Angela, as I looked at both of those sites that you gave links for, I noticed that they offer no perfect replacement. I noticed that they did not have a perfect Bible to offer to anybody. That is not good.

We need to have a perfect Bible. Just like our Lord and Saviour is perfect. So is His written word.
 

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There is not such thing as a "perfect Bible". Islam of course has its original Quaran which every copy is copied identically, but that is not how the Christian church rolled. The message of salvation and Jesus Christ son of God risen from dead that we can only get into heaven through him is what is important. It matters not if one copy of a Bible mentions, Easter or Passover, its the same thing, people are not going to suffer in spiritual life for reading NIV, RSVP Good News for example.

The King James Only Cult wants thier Bible to be Number One, They claim God is on thier side 100% and that GOd created the King James which everyone is to now copy and read from, further they find conspiracy where there is none, errors where there are none and condemn people who refuse to read only the 1611 King James after they have been told about it That is the mark of a cult.
 

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Since the kinder gentler approach is falling short let me be blunt. You demean your own testimony with your unkind remarks.
You cut and paste my thread, but you have not read it.
God has clearly used the KJV to bring many souls to a saving knowledge of Christ.
Correct, I have never denied this to be the case.
It doesn't matter what bible you have if it is a bible that you actually read and study to learn of Christ. The virtue is in Christ not in what translation of the bible you read.
COrrect Again, I have never said anything to the contrary.
I find it quite discomforting to read posts that attack other believers because of the bible they have on their lap.
I am not attacking other believers for what they are reading, Chosenbyhim and his cult are the ones doing that, not me. I have stated many times I love to read the King James Bible.
I know the KJV only crowd is a little fried hard on one side but they will give account to God just like you and me for what has been done since we have received Christ.
Correct, a little understated, but correct.
Don't add to the problem but over come with sound doctrine and speech seasoned with salt. Pure speech and holy conduct will carry the day.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Oh believe me I have tried, but Chosenbyhim just keeps pasting the same rhetoric, another indicator of a cult. beat people into submission through endless repetition and failure to fully engage or attempt to find the truth.
 

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You cut and paste my thread, but you have not read it.

Correct, I have never denied this to be the case.

COrrect Again, I have never said anything to the contrary.

I am not attacking other believers for what they are reading, Chosenbyhim and his cult are the ones doing that, not me. I have stated many times I love to read the King James Bible.

Correct, a little understated, but correct.

Oh believe me I have tried, but Chosenbyhim just keeps pasting the same rhetoric, another indicator of a cult. beat people into submission through endless repetition and failure to fully engage or attempt to find the truth.
Then you should trust the Lord to reveal His truth. Post the truth without all the accusations. You are not responsible for what another believes or does not believe. Romans 13:8

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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since someone mentioned it...here is a list of all the manuscripts that erasmus used to compile his textus receptus...

miniscule 1...twelfth century manuscript containing the entire new testament except for revelation...byzantine text with many variants...earliest known owner was cardinal ragusio of the dominican order...
miniscule 2...eleventh or twelfth century manuscript containing the gospels...byzantine text...earliest known owners were dominican monks who purchased the manuscript in basel switzerland...
miniscule 7...twelfth century manuscript containing the gospels...byzantine text with alexandrian influences...history of the manuscript is unknown...
miniscule 817...fifteenth century manuscript containing the gospels...byzantine text with a few variants...earliest known owner was the dominican monastery in basel...
miniscule 2814...twelfth century manuscript containing the book of revelation...byzantine text...earliest known owner was the german humanist johann reuchlin...
miniscule 2815...twelfth century manuscript containing the book of acts and the epistles...byzantine text...earliest known owner was the dominican order of the roman catholic church...
miniscule 2816...fifteenth century manuscript containing the book of acts and the epistles...byzantine text...earliest known owner was the dominican monastery in basel...

miniscule 3...twelfth century manuscript containing the entire new testament except for revelation...byzantine text with variants especially in the general epistles...earliest known owner was the dutch roman catholic historian radulph of rivo...used for the second and third editions of erasmus' textus receptus...

miniscule 61...sixteenth century manuscript containing the entire new testament...byzantine text with many variants in the epistles and revelation...fabricated by the franciscan friar froy...used only in the third edition of erasmus' textus receptus...

the latin vulgate was also used by erasmus...
 
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No way Rachel, there were Mss going back to the third century -Textus Vaticanus, plus papyri dated to the first century A.D.
 
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here is a list of the additional manuscripts used by stephanus in his edition of the textus receptus...published after erasmus' last edition...

miniscule 4...thirteenth century manuscript containing most of the gospels...mixed text with strong byzantine influences...history unknown...
miniscule 5...thirteenth century manuscript containing the entire new testament except for revelation...byzantine text with a few variants mainly in luke...probably originated in calabria italy...
miniscule 6...thirteenth century manuscript containing the entire new testament except for revelation...byzantine text in the gospels and acts and alexandrian text with many variants in the epistles...earliest known owner was the royal library of fontainebleau in paris...
miniscule 8...eleventh century manuscript containing the gospels...byzantine text...earliest known owner was the royal secretary antonelli petrucci of naples...
miniscule 9...twelfth century manuscript containing the gospels...byzantine text...earliest known owner was the french collector pierre de l'estoile...
miniscule 2817...twelfth century manuscript containing most of paul's epistles and hebrews...byzantine text...history unknown...
codex bezae...fifth century manuscript containing most of the gospels and acts and a fragment of third john...western text...earliest known owner was the monastic library of st. irenaeus in lyons france...
codex regius...eighth century manuscript containing most of the gospels...alexandrian text with byzantine influences...history unknown...
 

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There is not such thing as a "perfect Bible". Islam of course has its original Quaran which every copy is copied identically, but that is not how the Christian church rolled. The message of salvation and Jesus Christ son of God risen from dead that we can only get into heaven through him is what is important. It matters not if one copy of a Bible mentions, Easter or Passover, its the same thing, people are not going to suffer in spiritual life for reading NIV, RSVP Good News for example.
If there is no such thing as a perfect Bible like you claim Agricola, then how do we know that John 3:16 is not in error?

Let me ask you something else, would the true word of God have errors in it?


The message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is important. It is very important.

But so are the very words of the living God. God's words are pure words. And Jesus said that man shall not leave by bread alone, but by every word of God. Therefore we must have every word. (Luke 4:4)

The NIV is a perversion. How do I know that? Because the NIV perverts the words of the living God. The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ is 1 Timothy 3:16, in Daniel 3:25, and in many other places. The NIV perverts Mark 1:2, 3 into a lie!

The NIV reads in Mark 1:2-3:
2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”[c]
3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’”[d] Mark 1:2-3 (NIV)


They lied, it is not found written in Isaiah. It is written in Malachi 3:1.

The Correct reading of Mark 1:2-3 is:




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As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. - Mark 1:2-3 (King James Bible)

What your problem Agricola seems to be is that you do not have a high regard for the pure words of the living God.





The King James Only Cult wants thier Bible to be Number One, They claim God is on thier side 100% and that GOd created the King James which everyone is to now copy and read from, further they find conspiracy where there is none, errors where there are none and condemn people who refuse to read only the 1611 King James after they have been told about it That is the mark of a cult.
We King James Bible believers simply share the truth on the Bible Version Issue.

Listen Agricola, if you want to use the NIV, then go ahead. If you want to use an ESV, then that is your decision. You any modern bible version that you want.

All we King James Bible believers want is to help to build the brethren's faith in the word of God. That they can believe that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word of God. And that they don't need any Hebrew or Greek. But if they want to study those languages. Then they sure can, as again, it is their choice.

It is interesting that you mentioned Muslims, are you aware Agricola, that there are Muslims out there who are blaspheming the word of God because of all of the new bible versions?


There is a video of a Christian doing some preaching on the streets, and as a group of Muslims are coming up to him, one of the Muslims asks the guy who is preaching a question pertaining to Jesus Christ's deity, and then that Muslim says to the preacher that he will give to him a hundred dollars if he can find the answer in any Bible. Now I am going to share with you what a couple of these Muslim men said about the Bible while talking with this preacher on the streets. Also I am going to include a question that one of the Muslims asked this street preacher:



"in any bible, there is 80 of them.."


"There's 80 bibles but there is only one Quran..."


"Why is there more than One Bible?"



See? All the ridiculous modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, TNIV, NASV, Green bible, Amplified bible, Message bible, rob lacey's the word on the street, Common English bible, contemporary English version, Holman's Christian Standard bible, Good News bible, Good News bible (Catholic edition), New Century Version, Daniel Wallace's NET bible, New Living Translation and many, many others which are now causing the lost world to mock the Bible. They are causing the lost (i.e. Muslims) to mock the word of God.

Now the third quote was a question, and the young Muslim who asked that question might just be looking for an answer.

I mean that is an honest question for any lost person to ask a Christian.

Why are there so many bibles on the market?

If some lost person came up to you Agricola, and asked you that question, would you know how to answer them?

But you see, now when you are witnessing to a lost hell bound Muslim, and your telling him what the Bible says pertaining to what he must do to be saved, now that Muslim most likely will ask you:

"oh which one?"


Since all of the 80 versions cannot all be God's word. And there is actually way more than 80 versions out there, there is at least 220+ modern perversions out there


God does not contradict Himself. Therefore all the modern versions cannot be His word.

Now if you are a King James Bible believer than you can answer his question right away. In that you can discuss with him the Bible Version Issue and share with him that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word. And that the new versions are just counterfeits.

I'll just go ahead and share the video as proof that this is truly the case. That way, the people who are viewing this thread won't think that I am making this up. Because this really did happen.

That the more than 220+ modern bible perversions are causing the lost world to now blaspheme the word of God.



Blaspheming God's word!

[video=youtube;wkz0OBx1_xg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkz0OBx1_xg[/video]



And for those who choose to not to view the video, well I already shared in red what these lost Muslims said in regard to the Bible.

 
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and finally beza used these two manuscripts in his editions of the textus receptus from the second edition onwards...

codex claromontanus...sixth century manuscript containing paul's epistles and hebrews...western text...earliest known owner was calvinist theologian theodore beza who acquired it in clermont france...
syriac new testament...second century syriac version containing the entire new testament except for second peter and second and third john and jude and revelation...western text with byzantine influences...beza used a latin translation published by the italian calvinist scholar immanuel tremellius in 1569...
 

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If your hungry for God and his word , it want matter what version it is
 

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If your hungry for God and his word , it want matter what version it is
Yes it will. It should matter. The pure and perfect words of the living God should be highly regarded.
 
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also i should add that the king james version was translated mostly from beza's edition of the textus receptus...

in half of the places where the king james version does not follow beza it was translated from stephanus' edition of the textus receptus...

in the other half of the points of disagreement between the king james version and beza it was translated mostly from erasmus' edition of the textus receptus and from the complutensian polyglot bible...which was an edition of the textus receptus compiled from beza and stephanus with variants from a tenth century latin manuscript of the old and new testaments and apocrypha called the codex complutensis...

finally in some places the king james version was translated directly from the latin vulgate...

it is important to note that the translators of the king james version evidently did -not- refer to any of the greek manuscripts themselves...but only to various printed editions of the textus receptus...
 
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Yes it will. It should matter. The pure and perfect words of the living God should be highly regarded.
What if you are homeless and that is the only bible you have been given? Or they were only give the new testament:)
 
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"it is important to note that the translators of the king james version evidently did -not- refer to any of the greek manuscripts themselves...but only to various printed editions of the textus receptus... "

How do you know that?
 

ChosenbyHim

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What if you are homeless and that is the only bible you have been given? Or they were only give the new testament:)

Well then God would have grace on that person, if that is really the case and circumstance. But the whole point here damon is that there is a perfect Standard that each one of us will be judged by. Of course, we are going to have our works judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

But let me also point out that a brother or sister in the Lord can bless that homeless person with a King James Bible. And also, a homeless person might be able to find a King James Bible in a good will store, or at a garage sale, or at a local flea market.
 

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finally in some places the king james version was translated directly from the latin vulgate
Where exactly? The company criticized it in the preface. The KJV was not 'newly translated' from any source texts. It was a revision of the Bishops Bible, which explains why it doesn't show up at all in the 1611 edition of the royal catalogue of published works - it was a revision. (This also led to terrible early sales.)

As for the 'Latin Vulgate' influence, the KJV did adopt two or three readings from the Rheims New Testament. But it was mostly made up of passages from the Geneva and Bishops Bibles that were given a poetic-work over. There was little-to-no firsthand translation work done from any source texts (not including light consultation of texts in up to ten different languages). It is worth noting that the Latin works consulted were much different from the Latin Vulgate.

Since the historical information in this thread is all over the place, the information comes from these references:
The Bible in English by Dr. David Daniell
God's Secretaries: the Making of the King James Bible by Adam Nicolson
History of the English Bible by Brooke Westcott
A Visual History of the King James Bible by Dr. Donald Brake
The History of the Bible in English by F.F. Bruce
 

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If there is no such thing as a perfect Bible like you claim Agricola, then how do we know that John 3:16 is not in error?

Let me ask you something else, would the true word of God have errors in it?


The message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is important. It is very important.

But so are the very words of the living God. God's words are pure words. And Jesus said that man shall not leave by bread alone, but by every word of God. Therefore we must have every word. (Luke 4:4)

The NIV is a perversion. How do I know that? Because the NIV perverts the words of the living God. The NIV perverts the deity of Jesus Christ is 1 Timothy 3:16, in Daniel 3:25, and in many other places. The NIV perverts Mark 1:2, 3 into a lie!

The NIV reads in Mark 1:2-3:
2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet:
“I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way”[c]
3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
make straight paths for him.’”[d] Mark 1:2-3 (NIV)


They lied, it is not found written in Isaiah. It is written in Malachi 3:1.

The Correct reading of Mark 1:2-3 is:




2
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. - Mark 1:2-3 (King James Bible)

What your problem Agricola seems to be is that you do not have a high regard for the pure words of the living God.







We King James Bible believers simply share the truth on the Bible Version Issue.

Listen Agricola, if you want to use the NIV, then go ahead. If you want to use an ESV, then that is your decision. You any modern bible version that you want.

All we King James Bible believers want is to help to build the brethren's faith in the word of God. That they can believe that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word of God. And that they don't need any Hebrew or Greek. But if they want to study those languages. Then they sure can, as again, it is their choice.

It is interesting that you mentioned Muslims, are you aware Agricola, that there are Muslims out there who are blaspheming the word of God because of all of the new bible versions?


There is a video of a Christian doing some preaching on the streets, and as a group of Muslims are coming up to him, one of the Muslims asks the guy who is preaching a question pertaining to Jesus Christ's deity, and then that Muslim says to the preacher that he will give to him a hundred dollars if he can find the answer in any Bible. Now I am going to share with you what a couple of these Muslim men said about the Bible while talking with this preacher on the streets. Also I am going to include a question that one of the Muslims asked this street preacher:



"in any bible, there is 80 of them.."


"There's 80 bibles but there is only one Quran..."


"Why is there more than One Bible?"



See? All the ridiculous modern perversions like the NIV, ESV, TNIV, NASV, Green bible, Amplified bible, Message bible, rob lacey's the word on the street, Common English bible, contemporary English version, Holman's Christian Standard bible, Good News bible, Good News bible (Catholic edition), New Century Version, Daniel Wallace's NET bible, New Living Translation and many, many others which are now causing the lost world to mock the Bible. They are causing the lost (i.e. Muslims) to mock the word of God.

Now the third quote was a question, and the young Muslim who asked that question might just be looking for an answer.

I mean that is an honest question for any lost person to ask a Christian.

Why are there so many bibles on the market?

If some lost person came up to you Agricola, and asked you that question, would you know how to answer them?

But you see, now when you are witnessing to a lost hell bound Muslim, and your telling him what the Bible says pertaining to what he must do to be saved, now that Muslim most likely will ask you:

"oh which one?"


Since all of the 80 versions cannot all be God's word. And there is actually way more than 80 versions out there, there is at least 220+ modern perversions out there


God does not contradict Himself. Therefore all the modern versions cannot be His word.

Now if you are a King James Bible believer than you can answer his question right away. In that you can discuss with him the Bible Version Issue and share with him that the King James Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word. And that the new versions are just counterfeits.

I'll just go ahead and share the video as proof that this is truly the case. That way, the people who are viewing this thread won't think that I am making this up. Because this really did happen.

That the more than 220+ modern bible perversions are causing the lost world to now blaspheme the word of God.



Blaspheming God's word!

[video=youtube;wkz0OBx1_xg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkz0OBx1_xg[/video]



And for those who choose to not to view the video, well I already shared in red what these lost Muslims said in regard to the Bible.

Why do you still repeat this crap? , see folks, this is what cult members do, endlessly repeat without paying attention to others.

Yes the worlds religions seem to think there should be a unique perfect text that is copied from, this is what the King James Only Cult want for Christianity, to be like other false religions. Problems with a single original source which everyone copies from, is that you have to trust that the source is really perfect and has not been tampered with.

Other religions see this text as perfect from thier god, so every single mark on the page is how it should be, and anyone messing with that is blasphemy. Is this the way the real God wants us to live? no, also why wait all this time before we have "The Perfect Bible" again that dose not make any logical sense.

As I have pointed out a number of times, and is totally ignored, Christianity is different, our Bible is not governed by those same laws and restrictions that other religions put on their texts, our God is about relationship not bound by religious constraints.

The basic message is shared amongst believers, the writings and letters as which make up the new testament were copied and distributed around the world, it did not matter if every bit of punctuation is correct, every capital letter is correct, no, that is religious law and binds people, the real message went out, Jesus is son of God who died, rose again and ascended to heaven,

Christianity is different, in that it is the message that is important, not the accuracy of copy. All the so called errors your cult point to, most are just fantasy rantings and the rest are just pedantic petty arguments over technical usage of words.

The continuation to state that people are putting thier spiritual lives at risk from using a NIV after they have been preached to about the King James bible, is cult behaviour and is very wicked, evil and dangerous.

God wants us to spread the message about his salvation plan, just about everyone I know came to a personal relationship with Jesus through being told about him, spread by word of mouth, testimony and so on. I do not know of anyone who came to know God simply by reading a Bible.

IF people do come to accept Christ through reading Bible, the so called flaws in other versions are not going to have an impact on peoples salvation, its ridiculous to claim otherwise.
 

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If there is no such thing as a perfect Bible like you claim Agricola, then how do we know that John 3:16 is not in error?

Let me ask you something else, would the true word of God have errors in it?

I have already told you. This is down to how Christinaity is spread, through word of mouth and people just copying texts to pass around. When you learn that its the relationship and message that is important, not being bound to religious constraints.

Today we have and ocean of texts and manusciprts which made up the Gospels etc in all different langauges dating back just 300 years after Christ, all saying the same thing, they are all worded different, but they all say the same thing. Going back 1000 years and even 1500 years there would have been even more texts and more importantly, from an earlier period than we have now, Go back even further and people could have spoken to People like John himself to check things out. Again compare this to other texts we have on history, and you see its unrepresented in what we have regarding gospel texts.


How do the Muslims know thier Quaran is correct? they dont, they have to trust it is, further everything has to be exactly copied, which is a religious bondage. Christians do not have that problem, never have done. We know what we have is correct, the true message, salvation does not rely on if you read a Bible which has Passover instead of Easter written in it.

Lets assume your cult got its way and every Bible in the world along with all the old documents, apart from King James 1611 , were destroyed, after all they are imperfect and writings of Satan, leaving the only source as King James 1611. Now, in the future, people will be in bondage to the Bible, just as the Muslims are with the quaran, there has to be a belief that it is really the true word of God, How many people will question in 400 years time that this archaic language is correct and can we really trust it, as all other texts are destroyed, with no comparisons to make that it is genuine text.

Fortunately most people are intelligent enough to see past the rantings and flawed arguments of the King James Only Cult.

There is no such thing as a perfect Bible never has been never will be. What there is however are Bibles and texts which all give the same message, that is the important thing. King James is not perfect and has its own flaws.
 
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