Total inability - original sin - inherited from adam
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Have not put much study on the terms "total inability"...don't have enough time to research or really care to learn to be honest.
( finally worked back to your op lol)
So quoted from OP
"So the next question is really how do we become so we are righteous?"
No the next question is what does God mean when He says holy, perfect and righteous?
Then we can talk about how.
Not really interested in regressing and discussing if we should or if we can...lets begin with the common ground that we should strive to be holy like God...rather we reach that goal Before or after we leave these earthly shell is not up to us but totally dependent on God's plan not ours.
( finally worked back to your op lol)
So quoted from OP
"So the next question is really how do we become so we are righteous?"
No the next question is what does God mean when He says holy, perfect and righteous?
Then we can talk about how.
Not really interested in regressing and discussing if we should or if we can...lets begin with the common ground that we should strive to be holy like God...rather we reach that goal Before or after we leave these earthly shell is not up to us but totally dependent on God's plan not ours.
But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.
Ezek 18:24
This verse implies a simple concept. Giving up righteousness is becoming like the unrighteous. Everything in terms of faith, deeds will be forgotton. This implies there is not a real eternal security, unless you stay with the Lord.
I have never read this before, but it is where my heart has been.
Ezek 18:24
This verse implies a simple concept. Giving up righteousness is becoming like the unrighteous. Everything in terms of faith, deeds will be forgotton. This implies there is not a real eternal security, unless you stay with the Lord.
I have never read this before, but it is where my heart has been.
It is of the utmost importance to read scripture through the lens of the finished work of Christ. If not, we end up mixing up the covenants and end up in a theological mess of massive confusion.
Ezekiel 18:28 is classic Old Covenant reality.
We have a New Covenant not based on our righteousness but on Jesus' only. This New Covenant is built upon better promises and Jesus' blood speaks of better things.
In the Old Covenant - people did - in order to get God to do things
In the New Covenant - we receive by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us.
Believe in what Jesus has already done for us and live! Believe the "good news".
Ezekiel 18:28 is classic Old Covenant reality.
We have a New Covenant not based on our righteousness but on Jesus' only. This New Covenant is built upon better promises and Jesus' blood speaks of better things.
In the Old Covenant - people did - in order to get God to do things
In the New Covenant - we receive by grace through faith in what Christ has already done for us.
Believe in what Jesus has already done for us and live! Believe the "good news".
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And another verse to add to the list is the OT one where God is upset with the priests for refusing to make a distinction be tween what is holy and what is not holy. Take all ofthes e verses and lay them out together. There aremany more you will find that tie together but start with all of those ones we have listed.
The issue is simple, the Lord desires righteousness over evil. A city as a community will receive judgement as a whole even when there is righteous people present.
On a simple note God is declaring people walking in righteousness, following His ways and being acceptable, while others turn away and become judged and fall away.
On the subject of what it means to walk in righteousness and purity and the arguments that errupt, many ex-cc members were attacked over these very points and lost their cool and got banned. But the issue is much deeper.
As people we are like emotional shells with layers in our souls. We hold and protect ourselves and put value on how much we risk. It is this that often means we do not ask the questions or face our inner realities and fears. But it is also here we can meet others and reach out and share real meaning.
On a simple note God is declaring people walking in righteousness, following His ways and being acceptable, while others turn away and become judged and fall away.
On the subject of what it means to walk in righteousness and purity and the arguments that errupt, many ex-cc members were attacked over these very points and lost their cool and got banned. But the issue is much deeper.
As people we are like emotional shells with layers in our souls. We hold and protect ourselves and put value on how much we risk. It is this that often means we do not ask the questions or face our inner realities and fears. But it is also here we can meet others and reach out and share real meaning.
I agree that too much self dwelling and asking questions, rather than letting love take root is not healthy.
My vision of people is what I call emotional wall paper. All our experiences build up this massive patch work of experiences and reactions. It becomes who we are and how we react to things in life. But God takes this and starts through obedience, forgiveness, confession, repentance, faith, love, dwells to build new reactions and new perspectives. We change and simply are not aware of it. But doing, primarily the principles within the sermon on the mount we become a different person.
I remember feeling something that used to hold me back with regard to my family and ideas of rights and what I could or could not share. It struck me that this was no longer true and I have become something different. The key was not analysis but letting love and forgiveness take root in my soul.
Another insight I had was when someone recently said, do not let emotions sway you, consider the issues.
What would have been more insightful, is let all you emotions balance the issues out and consider carefully what you really care about and what matters most.
So much of what you read is about distrust of Gods work in our hearts, and only relying on God. In maturity it is both trusting the work God has done in us and in the communion we have with the Father.
The heart is desperately wicked and deceives us into many things because it just want stability and an easy life.
We can square the circles but only as a body, taking seriously the principles Jesus has laid on us, and not dismiss them as if they are just sent to torment us with failure. God never speaks or behaves like this. He is our Father who wishes we grow up.
My vision of people is what I call emotional wall paper. All our experiences build up this massive patch work of experiences and reactions. It becomes who we are and how we react to things in life. But God takes this and starts through obedience, forgiveness, confession, repentance, faith, love, dwells to build new reactions and new perspectives. We change and simply are not aware of it. But doing, primarily the principles within the sermon on the mount we become a different person.
I remember feeling something that used to hold me back with regard to my family and ideas of rights and what I could or could not share. It struck me that this was no longer true and I have become something different. The key was not analysis but letting love and forgiveness take root in my soul.
Another insight I had was when someone recently said, do not let emotions sway you, consider the issues.
What would have been more insightful, is let all you emotions balance the issues out and consider carefully what you really care about and what matters most.
So much of what you read is about distrust of Gods work in our hearts, and only relying on God. In maturity it is both trusting the work God has done in us and in the communion we have with the Father.
The heart is desperately wicked and deceives us into many things because it just want stability and an easy life.
We can square the circles but only as a body, taking seriously the principles Jesus has laid on us, and not dismiss them as if they are just sent to torment us with failure. God never speaks or behaves like this. He is our Father who wishes we grow up.
Got to go to bed now, good night friends. May we walk closer with our Lord, for above all I desire to know His will better and share His vision for His people. He wants us to discover Him and His Kingdom and grow in unity and love.
That is my burden and privilege to walk in the blessing in my life that He has provided, Glory to His name, Amen.
That is my burden and privilege to walk in the blessing in my life that He has provided, Glory to His name, Amen.
Does that fit with the OT God youve' read about...?
Noah was not destroyed with the wicked.
He was a righteous man and was saved from the destruction.
And Lot.
He went through a conversation with God about if He would destroy the righteous along with the wicked and God said no to each of Lots questions (not even if 50, then 20, then 10, righteous men were in the city would He destroy it.
So does what you just said seem to fit in any way with the God of Noah and Lot?
In fact, when you read Ezek 20, doesn't it confuse you and make your mouth drop open?
How can you think about Noah and Lot and even the vs in ezek 18 you found and say it is a simple matter for God to say, I will destroy the righteous along with the wicked and that He makes the righteous fall under the same judgement as the wicked in a city and destroys both?
He has said so much and done so much that opposes the very thought. Like, from now on, the children will not pay for the sins of the parents nor the parents for the sins of the children, but it is only the soul that sins who will die. And the people replied that He was being unfair to say this but He said they were the ones in the wrong for saying anything other.
Does ANY of that fit with the statement you made...?
Noah was not destroyed with the wicked.
He was a righteous man and was saved from the destruction.
And Lot.
He went through a conversation with God about if He would destroy the righteous along with the wicked and God said no to each of Lots questions (not even if 50, then 20, then 10, righteous men were in the city would He destroy it.
So does what you just said seem to fit in any way with the God of Noah and Lot?
In fact, when you read Ezek 20, doesn't it confuse you and make your mouth drop open?
How can you think about Noah and Lot and even the vs in ezek 18 you found and say it is a simple matter for God to say, I will destroy the righteous along with the wicked and that He makes the righteous fall under the same judgement as the wicked in a city and destroys both?
He has said so much and done so much that opposes the very thought. Like, from now on, the children will not pay for the sins of the parents nor the parents for the sins of the children, but it is only the soul that sins who will die. And the people replied that He was being unfair to say this but He said they were the ones in the wrong for saying anything other.
Does ANY of that fit with the statement you made...?
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