TRIBULATION LIE
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Hi Deacon_D,
From the on-set of the church until present, believers in Christ have been going through the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. So believers will continue to go through those trials and tribulations until the church has been completed.
At that time John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-17 will be fulfilled with the Lord gathering the church, dead and living. Then that antichrist will be revealed, which is being represented by the first seal as that rider on the white horse who goes out to conquer and is bent on conquering. This is the beginning of God's tribulation/wrath, which will take place throughout the entire seven years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age, with the last 3 1/2 years being designated as "the great tribulation;" and that because at that time the abomination will be set up and that antichrist will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God. It is at this time when he will also make war and conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years. This is also the same time when the woman/Israel will be cared for out in the desert (Rev.12:6,14)
To recap, believers will continue to be exposed to the tribulation that comes at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But what is coming after the church has been gathered will be the time of God's wrath known as "the day of the Lord," which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that brought on the earth from the two witnesses.
Therefore, the wrath/tribulation that believers will not suffer is God's direct wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
From the on-set of the church until present, believers in Christ have been going through the trials and tribulations that Jesus said we would, which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. So believers will continue to go through those trials and tribulations until the church has been completed.
At that time John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-17 will be fulfilled with the Lord gathering the church, dead and living. Then that antichrist will be revealed, which is being represented by the first seal as that rider on the white horse who goes out to conquer and is bent on conquering. This is the beginning of God's tribulation/wrath, which will take place throughout the entire seven years until Christ returns to the earth to end the age, with the last 3 1/2 years being designated as "the great tribulation;" and that because at that time the abomination will be set up and that antichrist will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God. It is at this time when he will also make war and conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years. This is also the same time when the woman/Israel will be cared for out in the desert (Rev.12:6,14)
To recap, believers will continue to be exposed to the tribulation that comes at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. But what is coming after the church has been gathered will be the time of God's wrath known as "the day of the Lord," which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that brought on the earth from the two witnesses.
Therefore, the wrath/tribulation that believers will not suffer is God's direct wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
samuel23,
Take some time to read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll. There is a phrase in that book which would fit right in: OFF WITH HIS HEAD. And this was -- of all things -- said by the Queen of Hearts! (who should have had a heart).
All kidding aside, your anti-pre-tribulation-Rapture-rant is just that. You should prove yourself wrong by putting aside all the anti-pretribber propaganda, and starting from scratch, and strictly with the Word of God. Anyone who studies the Bible with an honest heart will discover that the Rapture has absolutely nothing to do with any Tribulation period (including the Great Tribulation).
We also had a comment from another poster that the Great Tribulation has been an ongoing phenomenon. That displays how poorly this matter is understood, since Jesus made it crystal clear that it would be a time such as has never been, nor ever will be.
Take some time to read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll. There is a phrase in that book which would fit right in: OFF WITH HIS HEAD. And this was -- of all things -- said by the Queen of Hearts! (who should have had a heart).
All kidding aside, your anti-pre-tribulation-Rapture-rant is just that. You should prove yourself wrong by putting aside all the anti-pretribber propaganda, and starting from scratch, and strictly with the Word of God. Anyone who studies the Bible with an honest heart will discover that the Rapture has absolutely nothing to do with any Tribulation period (including the Great Tribulation).
We also had a comment from another poster that the Great Tribulation has been an ongoing phenomenon. That displays how poorly this matter is understood, since Jesus made it crystal clear that it would be a time such as has never been, nor ever will be.
Hello Joe, no, the church will not even see the antichrist. Also, though the technology for the mark is already in use, the church will not be here when the mark becomes the only form of electronic crediting and debiting (buying and selling). The church will be gone before the first seal is opened, which initiates God's wrath followed by the rest of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
Furthermore, believing in the Lord's promise to gather His church prior to the His wrath, is not dangerous, but is apart of having faith.
God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will come upon the entire earth decimating the majority of the population and dismantling all human government, the church will not be exposed to God's wrath.
Not only that, but Jesus said of those who have endured patiently, He will keep them "out of" the hour of trial, which is another designation for the day of the Lord, the time of His wrath.
Furthermore, believing in the Lord's promise to gather His church prior to the His wrath, is not dangerous, but is apart of having faith.
God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And since the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will come upon the entire earth decimating the majority of the population and dismantling all human government, the church will not be exposed to God's wrath.
Not only that, but Jesus said of those who have endured patiently, He will keep them "out of" the hour of trial, which is another designation for the day of the Lord, the time of His wrath.
Man of Sin (AKA AntiChrist) was Titus. He was worshiped in the temple, above all gods, in 70 AD. The wrath was poured out back then. All these things were fulfilled in "that generation" just as Jesus said they would be. Live your lives and enjoy the blessings we have people. Take comfort in knowing that we don't have to wait for anything when we die. We go straight to heaven and receive our glorified bodies immediately upon death. No more Hades and waiting in our age. Christ accomplished this. All things lost in the garden have been restored.
What ever is coming to this world in our times is anyone's guess. The so-called "great tribulation" of Mat 24 applied to Israel and Jerusalem in the first century.
What ever is coming to this world in our times is anyone's guess. The so-called "great tribulation" of Mat 24 applied to Israel and Jerusalem in the first century.
You have presented a very, very erroneous interpretation. If indeed that was the Great Tribulation back then, then the heavens and the earth would have experienced the following cataclsmic events immediately thereafter, and this earth would not even exist as at present, neither the heavenly bodies which presently exist.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall
the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
