Turning From Sin = Repentance?

Desertsrose · Dec 27, 2016

Jesus said it well.

“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:16-20

Stephen63 · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Phil. 2:5Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus IS Lord, & if you're a christian, you'll treat Him as such.

In Pentecostal circles we have a saying: "Jesus is either Lord of all, or He's not Lord at all."

How can anyone confess that Jesus is a King & NOT submit to Him?

Another saying we have in Pentecostal circles: "You can bow now, or you can bow later..... either way ,you're gonna bow."

eternally-gratefull · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

just need to be careful in what we say, Some people may think you believe people of OT were saved different than people in NT.

Stephen63 · Dec 27, 2016

This actually isn't true.
New American Standard Bible
John 6:44"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

I've known people who heard the message all their life & didn't repent UNTIL the Holy Spirit convicted them of their sins.
The truth(Word) can set you free, but only if the Holy Spirit illuminates it in our hearts. He is the Teacher.

Grace777x70 · Dec 27, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

I believe all people are saved the same way - by grace through faith in God alone. Some looked ahead and us look back at what Christ has done.

Grace777x70 · Dec 27, 2016

Thank God that He brings us repentance when we hear the gospel message. He uses the Holy Spirit to do this.

Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

The hearing of Christ's work brings faith.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

No one "makes" Jesus Lord - He is Lord!

Romans 10:12-16 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

[SUP]13 [/SUP] for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

[SUP]14 [/SUP] How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

[SUP]15 [/SUP] How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, "HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GOOD NEWS OF GOOD THINGS!"

[SUP]16 [/SUP] However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, "LORD, WHO HAS BELIEVED OUR REPORT?"

Our prayer should always be "Father - reveal the Lord Jesus Christ to all of us."

Galatea · Dec 27, 2016

MessageOfTheCross said:

Only when pressure is applied that God allows or causes do we get to see who we really are. There is a lot of self in all of us that is revealed when we are taken into the wilderness, into trials, into tribulation, and the great storm(s) of the vicissitudes of life. Spiritual adultery is a serious sin that reactivate the sin nature and sends the Believer back into bondage by trusting in things other than Christ and the Cross. 2 Cor. 11:2, Ex. 20:5; 34:14; Nah 1:2.

As Christians we confess our sins that "The Holy Spirit" reveals to you, And He will be faithful to cleanse us from all other sins that you do not know about. This is imperative that keeps us in fellowship and in alignment with Our Father In Heaven. That activates the Cross to deal with the sin(s). The Power of God is the Cross of Christ. All sin has consequences. Though are sins are remitted, they create wounds in our soul that brings demons of sickness, disease, infirmities, sexual immorality, financial problems, marriage problems, pride, gossip, double mindedness, abortion, homosexuality, mental illness, and so much more. Remember there is a difference between salvation and sanctification.

Repentance means change of mind. Willful sin means unbelief...you don't believe what Jesus did so there is no more sacrifice.

I must respectfully disagree with a part of your post. Mental illness is most assuredly NOT a consequence of your sin.

BenFTW · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Yes...the cross changed everything along with the resurrection because if Christ is not raised from the dead - we are still in our sins.

New Covenant repentance has everything to do with the cross and resurrection of Christ. Old Covenant repentance was in sackcloth and ashes mostly it seemed and elicited a response from their own will-power.

Old Covenant thinking was based on what they did. New Covenant is based on believing what Christ has done in His finished work. His life in us now effects our response from the inside out. The Old was in the letter of the law - the New is the newness of the Spirit.

The creation of the new man in Christ which has been created in righteousness and holiness will bear the fruit of an exchanged life which will reflect in our outward behavior and the way we think about God and His truth as revealed in Christ and yes - this does include the way we view sinning.

That's the way I view the difference between the Old and the New - I'm sure there is more to it too...

I think I just happened upon one of the best articles on repentance, it was a phenomenal read!

https://bible.org/seriespage/2-doctrine-repentance-old-testament

Grace777x70 · Dec 27, 2016

BenFTW said:

I agree..it is a great read. Thanks for sharing it.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 27, 2016

Stephen63 said:

Jesus said the HS will convict the world of their sins, He does not just convict some. Many the HS works on for years, until they finally repent. And many the HS convicts will never come to Christ.

The people you talk about just finally opened their eyes. and saw what God had been telling them for years.

BenFTW · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Another one.

https://bible.org/seriespage/new-testament-repentance-lexical-considerations

Stephen63 · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

He is what He is..... but the sinner doesn't recognize that fact, neither do many who claim to be christians. If Jesus were their Lord, They would be afraid to openly use so much deceit to fool some & blame others.

PinkDiamond · Dec 27, 2016

Stephen63 said:

I personally believe in Lordship salvation. I really don't see how there is any way around the concept of full surrender of our lives to Christ. On Christmas morning in church, we sang the fourth verse to Hark the Herald. The line:

Adam's likeness now efface
Stamp thine image in its place

Really struck me. I view full surrender to Christ as our plea for him to replace our sinfulness and depraved nature with his likeness. We don't want him to partially fill us. We need him to completely eradicate our sinful nature and fill us. If we hold onto control of any aspect of our life, we are still retaining some of Adam's likeness and short circuiting what he desires to do in our lives. That's how I view this anyway.

Stephen63 · Dec 27, 2016

PinkDiamond said:

This is why there's so many HG's & OSAS's..... everybody wants a free ride, but nobody wants to bow. They want a Savior to bail them out, but they don't want the authority of a Lord over them.

Grace777x70 · Dec 27, 2016

I can't find anything in the epistles that speak of "surrendering to God". I think it is a religious term that we have heard all of our life.

Personally I don't believe in the teaching as a whole about "surrendering" to God. I understand the concept behind the saying and the rational for saying it.

I think it is a by-product of not really hearing the true gospel of the grace of Christ.

The truth is that we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God. The gospel is about an exchanged life - not a re-forming of morality principles or in striving to do things for God. We died with Jesus on the cross and we rose with Him too.

Does our behavior change now that we are in Christ and we are a new creation in Christ? Yes - it does but it stems and originates from the life of Christ which is already in us in Christ. We can't dictate or produce this change on our own.

We Christians see the words of the apostles in their writings about what the Christian life should look like and then try to "mandate or dictate" this way of life onto people without really preaching the gospel to them.

Paul always at the start of his letters told the people who they were in Christ - sanctified, loved, complete in Christ, they were the righteousness of God in Christ...etc. Then he explained to them what this Christian life looks like when it is being manifested "after" telling them about this exchanged life in Christ.

I firmly believe that if we preached the true gospel of the grace of Christ - people will walk in who they are in Christ - being completely dependent on the life of Christ in them for living. This "surrendering" thing will be automatic and un-conscious as we walk out who we already are in Him.

I hope I am articulating what I am seeing in my spirit. I am NOT saying that people do not follow the Lord with all their lives - I'm saying the complete opposite. He is our life - there is no other life for the Christian.

We have died and our true life is hidden with Christ in God. Col. 3:3

There are websites for "Lordship Salvation" and against it as usual with anything to do with the scriptures and people's beliefs and both sides are heretics to each other...

I found a balanced view on this subject. He talks about good intentions and the fact that the term "lordship salvation" is a good one - the rubber meets the road when we define what that means. This video is only 4 minutes long..

[video=youtube;msWsC0srUas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWsC0srUas[/video]

eternally-gratefull · Dec 27, 2016

Stephen63 said:

The lord also said judge not lest ye be judged. And do not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Yet you do not seem afraid to do these very things. Does that mean you have refused to make God your lord?

or that like most all Christians, You realise, You must live by grace, or you would have no hope.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 27, 2016

PinkDiamond said:

of course, we must do this while livign in grace. Otherwise, we will just fall. or turn into the next professing christian who goes around telling everyoone how good he or she is, and judging others for loving sin.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 27, 2016

Stephen63 said:

lets name some people who really believe this (since you are the one who accused me of making accusations without putting names to it)

go ahead. Back your claims with proof.

Stephen63 · Dec 27, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

That's not surprising. Hg'ers don't believe in the Lordship of Christ. It's as I said.

2 Corinthians 4:5
For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake.
John 20:28
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Mark 2:28
"So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Luke 6:5
And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
Acts 2:36
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified."
Acts 5:31
"He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

Then, you can go to Google & type lordship of christ scriptures & see all those.

So, it's OK for Jesus to be Lord of the sabbath, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, the one that will rule with a rod of iron, just as long as He's not YOUR LORD. Demons tremble & bow to Him, but you won't.

Seems clear to me..... sparkling clear.

InSpiritInTruth · Dec 27, 2016

Turning from darkness and the works of the Devil is also turning from sin. This is what Jesus commanded Paul to preach....

Acts 26:13-20

[SUP]13 [/SUP]At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

[SUP]18 [/SUP]To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance."

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