Unconditional Election or Conditional Election
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Ya think? I see you're changing your tune and are showing your inconsistency. Formerly you stated the exact opposite. Maybe there is hope after all? Next time know what you're talking about and admit to your grave errors without the pretense you knew it all along.
Yes, because God chose them in Christ. This too according to and clearly in the Word which you reject: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love - Ephesians 1:4
Um, that is actually 'yes' and I don't have to scream it. The Word has already refuted you, and you don't even use the Word but are merely ranting the false teachings of Robert Sandeman, Charles Finney, Zane Hodges and other heretics.
Of course, this false teaching always precedes straw man arguments:
See? Straw man arguments like I said.
The Word has already shown a time they (the elect) weren't saved as I've already shown from the Word and will again show the same. Your issue then is with God. Your issue is with His decree. Your issue is with His Word which refutes your false teachings;
among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. - Ephesians 2:3
Yep, the Word shows clearly the time the elect were lost. Take a gander at 2 Timothy 2:8-10 as well, as you need more time in the Word.
You started off OK and then took another nose dive back into your former error.
Yes, because God chose them in Christ. This too according to and clearly in the Word which you reject: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love - Ephesians 1:4
Um, that is actually 'yes' and I don't have to scream it. The Word has already refuted you, and you don't even use the Word but are merely ranting the false teachings of Robert Sandeman, Charles Finney, Zane Hodges and other heretics.
Of course, this false teaching always precedes straw man arguments:
See? Straw man arguments like I said.
The Word has already shown a time they (the elect) weren't saved as I've already shown from the Word and will again show the same. Your issue then is with God. Your issue is with His decree. Your issue is with His Word which refutes your false teachings;
among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. - Ephesians 2:3
Yep, the Word shows clearly the time the elect were lost. Take a gander at 2 Timothy 2:8-10 as well, as you need more time in the Word.
You started off OK and then took another nose dive back into your former error.
Its not that easy to wrap your mind around.
Since God knows everything from first to last, then if we are elected from the foundation of the world it would make sense that we wouldn't be under His Wrath. Because He already Knew He would change us.
But, according to the bible and our own experience, we didn't walk with the Lord and were therefore under His Wrath. It wasn't until we came to Christ that we stopped being children of wrath and instead became children of God.
Thank God for His Mercy and Patience.
Since God knows everything from first to last, then if we are elected from the foundation of the world it would make sense that we wouldn't be under His Wrath. Because He already Knew He would change us.
But, according to the bible and our own experience, we didn't walk with the Lord and were therefore under His Wrath. It wasn't until we came to Christ that we stopped being children of wrath and instead became children of God.
Thank God for His Mercy and Patience.
I like farming analogies.
When you sow seed you know which seed has taken root and which not.
And you know which are weeds.
When the crop is ripe you bring in the harvest.
God choose the fruitful and productive plants, because that is what He is looking
for. And from the field perspective, we can choose to open up, have faith and
walk, providing fertile soil in which to grow, or close down and shut Gods word
out.
So God has chosen, the parables show His criteria. Equally we very much have
our part, of following, trusting and loving. Does our belief in the freedom or not
change how we are called and told what to share? Does it change how we respond
in love and faith to God? Then I wonder, does it matter, we are in His hands, always.
When you sow seed you know which seed has taken root and which not.
And you know which are weeds.
When the crop is ripe you bring in the harvest.
God choose the fruitful and productive plants, because that is what He is looking
for. And from the field perspective, we can choose to open up, have faith and
walk, providing fertile soil in which to grow, or close down and shut Gods word
out.
So God has chosen, the parables show His criteria. Equally we very much have
our part, of following, trusting and loving. Does our belief in the freedom or not
change how we are called and told what to share? Does it change how we respond
in love and faith to God? Then I wonder, does it matter, we are in His hands, always.
Unconditional election in that whosoever will may come. Conditional in that man must choose to come. Esau preferred a bowl of beans to his birthright.
What shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I didn't add to the Word, that is your job in addition to your diminishing from it as well.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
My quote: We never had been the object of God's wrath if God already chose us before the foundation of the world. I know you want it to fit your theology but it doesn't. Change your theology to fit the word.
Did you not see the word "if"? If God already chose us before the foundation of the word, then we were never the object of God's wrath. That's Calvin's logic. It fails the test of the word of God.
Did you not see the word "if"? If God already chose us before the foundation of the word, then we were never the object of God's wrath. That's Calvin's logic. It fails the test of the word of God.
I didn't add to the Word, that is your job in addition to your diminishing from it as well.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
I didn't add to the Word, that is your job in addition to your diminishing from it as well.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
He chose us in Him means just that, He chose us in Him, you didn't; John 1:13, Romans 9:11,16; James 1:18, 1 Peter 1:1ff, Ephesians 1:3ff, 1 Thessalonians 1:4ff. So the entire facet of election is His, not yours. But then again, you're in grave error as has been noted, and are seeking to rewrite the narrative how you like it. And you hardly ever use Scripture. You're Finney, Sandeman and Hodges trained and don't know it.
Question: Did God choose to save Nineveh? Does God ever repent?