Veganism: Moral Superiority?

[Tommy379]

Gen 1.29-31
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; [SUP]30 [/SUP]and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. [SUP]31 [/SUP]God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Animals were not created by God for Food. They were created to be Adams help meet, before God saw they were unsuited to be Adams help meet and he created woman

Gen 2.18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” [SUP]19 [/SUP]Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. [SUP]20 [/SUP]The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him


After the flood God made the animals afraid of human kind and gave them for humans to eat. In this passage God shows us that only green plants were for food before the flood.

Gen 9.1-5

9 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every beast of the earth and on every bird of the sky; with everything that creeps on the ground, and all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man’s brother I will require the life of man.

Y'all keep repeating this over and over. Still no statement of prohibition from God about eating animal flesh before the flood. I think you are crazy and like to make stuff up. You may very well be committing blasphemy with repeatedly try to spread a notion that just doesn't exist in the bible.
No one had these notions that it was morally wrong to eat animals before the 20th century. This maybe what happens when our youth watch cartoons that assign human characteristics to animals.

 

[Magenta]

Today's meat is not hunted somewhere in forests, these animals are bred just for this purpose.

So if you will not eat them, you will not save them. They will not be born at all.

Also, the theory that all creatures including carnivors, birds etc were vegans before the flood is a very strange one.

Do you mean vegetarians? If they were vegans, they would not even drink their mother's milk... The fact remains that food for all creatures was originally given as greens and seeds and fruit etc, yes, even for what we now know as carnivorous creatures, which, as has been repeatedly stated, shall all return to non meat diets in the world to come, when everything is restored, or made new.

 

[Magenta]

Y'all keep repeating this over and over. Still no statement of prohibition from God about eating animal flesh before the flood. I think you are crazy and like to make stuff up. You may very well be committing blasphemy with repeatedly try to spread a notion that just doesn't exist in the bible.
No one had these notions that it was morally wrong to eat animals before the 20th century. This maybe what happens when our youth watch cartoons that assign human characteristics to animals.

I am simply stating what is written... whether meat was eaten before the flood is not stated in the Bible. What is stated is that ALL creatures were given a vegetarian diet until after the flood.

 

[Huckleberry]

Still no statement of prohibition from God about eating animal flesh before the flood.
No one had these notions that it was morally wrong to eat animals before the 20th century.
This maybe what happens when our youth watch cartoons that assign human characteristics to animals.

You lack understanding.
Few, if any, of us here are saying it's morally wrong to eat animals.
It's been established that God permitted it after the flood.
Why would God suddenly allow something that was already allowed?
Go back to Genesis 1:26-28.
Man was given dominion over all creation and instructed to manage it.
Adam and Eve, and their children, were to be the rulers and judges of the world.
Ever notice that people and animals could talk to each other back then (like in cartoons)?
In verses 29-30 dietary instructions were given which did not include eating their subjects.

Meat was consumed prior to the Flood,
however it was for reasons of evil rather than survival.
The ancient Greeks, et al, didn't invent their religions out of thin air.
They were based on the true history of the antediluvian world.

Gen. 6:12
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt;
for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

How does this verse have anything to do with eating meat?

What it has to do with is the corruption of all flesh with regard to God's way.
The post-fall antediluvian world was a bad place.
There was human cannibalism and man/beast
hybrids that ate people, beasts, and each other.

 

[Tommy379]

You lack understanding.
Few, if any, of us here are saying it's morally wrong to eat animals.
It's been established that God permitted it after the flood.
Why would God suddenly allow something that was already allowed?
Go back to Genesis 1:26-28.
Man was given dominion over all creation and instructed to manage it.
Adam and Eve, and their children, were to be the rulers and judges of the world.
Ever notice that people and animals could talk to each other back then (like in cartoons)?
In verses 29-30 dietary instructions were given which did not include eating their subjects.



What it has to do with is the corruption of all flesh with regard to God's way.
The post-fall antediluvian world was a bad place.
There was human cannibalism and man/beast
hybrids that ate people, beasts, and each other.

Maybe God brought it up after the flood cause Noah only packed up 2 of each kind.

 

[Huckleberry]

Maybe God brought it up after the flood cause Noah only packed up 2 of each kind.

Not only do you lack understanding,
but you lack basic knowledge of the Scriptures.
See Genesis 7:2-3.
Seven male and seven female of all clean beasts and fowl were to be taken aboard the ark.
There would be nothing to eat after the flood, except what they had on board.
The eating of meat was going to be a matter of survival
for a while, so God sanctioned it out of necessity.

 

[Tommy379]

Not only do you lack understanding,
but you lack basic knowledge of the Scriptures.
See Genesis 7:2-3.
Seven male and seven female of all clean beasts and fowl were to be taken aboard the ark.
There would be nothing to eat after the flood, except what they had on board.
The eating of meat was going to be a matter of survival
for a while, so God sanctioned it out of necessity.

Thats fine, but you're still speculating on what God wanted or why he did.

The fact of the matter is that God made man to eat meat. Look at the biology. We have enzymes that are made to digest and break apart protiens into individual amino acids, that organisms that eat exclusively plants dont have. Man has more intestines than bowels, just like a carnivore has. Most animals that eat exclusively plants, have multiple stomachs or chambers in their stomachs. Grains and leafy vegetables are what food eats. We cant even digest it in our stomachs like we can meat. Grains, roots, beans, and leafy stuff has to move to our bowels to be rotted by bacteria..... reason for farts. The amount of protein recovered from vegetation is so small, it's not worth the energy expended. We can convert fat into glucose without all the insulin..... insulin that makes us fat. Why do you think corn comes out looking like it did going in? Did God completely redesign the human body after the flood? It's just speculation that God demanded a vegetarian diet before the flood. How about this for speculation: maybe God made man to eat flesh, and was giving him permission to eat vegetation. Maybe when God was still around in the garden, the fruits wouldn't make us sick and fat like they do now.
I think this whole vegetarian preflood ideology is just a product of the last 150 years that brought us tribulation rapture stories they make left behind movies about, the idea that God and Jesus is the same person, and the notion that all you have to do is say you're sorry for your sins, and all the consequences go away.

 

[Rockrz]

Some bodies can't process too much meat protein...others need the meat to function.

Some bodies need feet meat... you know, meat that comes from feet.

for a while, so God sanctioned it out of necessity.

Jesus ate meat, so that's good enough fo me... I don't eat red me cause I cook it first.

 

[trofimus]

Do you mean vegetarians? If they were vegans, they would not even drink their mother's milk... The fact remains that food for all creatures was originally given as greens and seeds and fruit etc, yes, even for what we now know as carnivorous creatures, which, as has been repeatedly stated, shall all return to non meat diets in the world to come, when everything is restored, or made new.

I do not think they would be allowed to eat eggs of other creatures in the thinking of young Earth proponents... and vegetarians do eat eggs, right? So probably something between those two terms

The Bible actually does not state that the first animals or people were not eating meat.

"Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord.
Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat.
And the Lord respected Abel and his offering."

Also notice that Noah took into ark both clean and unclean animals. This distinction is made because of diet.

 

[Meggido]

You lack understanding.
Few, if any, of us here are saying it's morally wrong to eat animals.
It's been established that God permitted it after the flood.
Why would God suddenly allow something that was already allowed?
Go back to Genesis 1:26-28.
Man was given dominion over all creation and instructed to manage it.
Adam and Eve, and their children, were to be the rulers and judges of the world.
Ever notice that people and animals could talk to each other back then (like in cartoons)?
In verses 29-30 dietary instructions were given which did not include eating their subjects.



What it has to do with is the corruption of all flesh with regard to God's way.
The post-fall antediluvian world was a bad place.
There was human cannibalism and man/beast
hybrids that ate people, beasts, and each other.

This is shown in what scriptures?

You need to rely less on the movie Noah and more on the Bible.

 

[Meggido]

Y'all keep repeating this over and over. Still no statement of prohibition from God about eating animal flesh before the flood. I think you are crazy and like to make stuff up. You may very well be committing blasphemy with repeatedly try to spread a notion that just doesn't exist in the bible.
No one had these notions that it was morally wrong to eat animals before the 20th century. This maybe what happens when our youth watch cartoons that assign human characteristics to animals.

I showed you in scripture the mandate, it is up to you to believe it or not. It is there as clear as the nose on your face.

God did not create animals to be used for food at first, he released that after the flood.

 

[dcontroversal]

Nothing like a nice, fresh, off the grill sizzling porterhouse or ribeye.................or a plate of fried deer tenderloins and taters........hahah now I am hungry.......

 

[Meggido]

God didn’t find it unethical to clothe Adam and Eve with skins either...Genesis 3:21

This was a type and shadow of the prophesied atonement for SIN.

 

[renewed_hope]

Nothing like a nice, fresh, off the grill sizzling porterhouse or ribeye.................or a plate of fried deer tenderloins and taters........hahah now I am hungry.......

Haha! I take it, you like your meat? Lol


I would be totally lost if I couldn't eat meat, I am a meat and potatoes girl myself, and even make a good gravy for the potatoes.

People that think eating tofu as a regular replacement is just fooling themselves. Am I right? Lol

 

[Jennie-Mae]

Yall made me think of BBQ...but it's so cold here...lol...hopefully it'll be warming up soon.

 

[dcontroversal]

Haha! I take it, you like your meat? Lol


I would be totally lost if I couldn't eat meat, I am a meat and potatoes girl myself, and even make a good gravy for the potatoes.

People that think eating tofu as a regular replacement is just fooling themselves. Am I right? Lol

Yes indeed....my cousin has a farm and we have had numerous steers and hogs butchered over the years and for about 12 years I bow hunted, gun hunted and used muzzleloader for deer in Arkansas, Missouri and Illinois.....if it is brown it is down and if it flies it dies HAHHAHAHHAhHH

 

[dcontroversal]

Yall made me think of BBQ...but it's so cold here...lol...hopefully it'll be warming up soon.

so what....I grill year round....fire that dude up and BBQ some ribs or pork steaks HAHAH...maybe some brats.....

 

[Huckleberry]

This is shown in what scriptures?

You need to rely less on the movie Noah and more on the Bible.

Haven't seen the movie, but thanks for assuming I'm
just some ignorant dolt who parrots what he saw on TV.
The complete history of the world is not written in the Bible.
To understand history you have to study it.
The ancients left a lot of clues.
After Babel, the collective knowledge of the world was scattered with the people.
Their respective religions were the preserved histories of the antediluvian world.
Ancient Hebrew, Greek, Egyptian, Sumerian, et al,
et al, et al, religions tend to closely parallel one other.
They all tell slightly different versions of the same history.
Check it out, it's fascinating.

 

[Tommy379]

I showed you in scripture the mandate, it is up to you to believe it or not. It is there as clear as the nose on your face.

God did not create animals to be used for food at first, he released that after the flood.

I don't know how you derive a mamdate from that.

 

[stonesoffire]

Personally, I would rather not eat meat if I could. I agree with Megiddo...it wasn't mean't to be in the beginning.

What I see as an animal lover, and that is all animals..is that they all have personalities and can relate to us in some way if we take the time to look.

And I doubt we eat meat in heaven. That's ok with me. If we do? I hope its from trees.