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Have any of you considered that you are placing restrictions on God? Its like God has to do as you say not His Will. Come on, he made a donkey talk! Why are you telling God who can be saved and who can't?
 

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Have any of you considered that you are placing restrictions on God? Its like God has to do as you say not His Will. Come on, he made a donkey talk! Why are you telling God who can be saved and who can't?
Why don't you believe Scripture when we are told by Jesus to pray to the Father in heaven? Nowhere are we told to pray to Mary or dead people, except by Catholics, who promote their shameful practices as if God would sanction them. Why do you reject the fact that Scripture states there is only one intercessor between God and man? Mary is nowhere mentioned in Scripture as an intercessor, yet your pope teaches you to pray to her and all kinds of other people who happen to be dead, to intercede on your behalf. Many of your leaders wish to have her elevated officially as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. God says He does not share His glory.

"I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols."

"For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another."


"I am the Lord; that is My name. And My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images."
 

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The whole population of Samaria gave earnest heed to Simon.
All those in Samaria, from the least to the greatest, believed him!

In fact, the people worshiped him as the “great power of God.”
They believed he was God in the flesh.

This man is known in secular history as Simon Magus.
The surname “magus” reveals that he was a member of the priestly caste of ancient Persia.

this Simon was a priest of the Babylonian mystery religion.


This account actually reveals the beginning of the great false church described
in the book of Revelation as “the great whore” and “Mystery, Babylon the Great,
the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth”!

Simon Magus was a foundational role in the history of that church!


Satan used this man to begin building that church. It all began right here in bible.
Christ raised up His Church in a.d. 31—and Simon Magus immediately
came on the scene in a.d. 33! That is not difficult to prove.
Even Catholics will tell you today that their church began in a.d. 33!

Wherever God’s Church is, you will always find a counterfeit religion.

It has committed many violent crimes—especially against God’s true Church
(e.g. Revelation 17:1-6).
 

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The sin of simony, or paying for position and influence in the church, is named for Simon.
 

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Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:

Who Was The Real First Pope
 
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Why don't you believe Scripture when we are told by Jesus to pray to the Father in heaven? Nowhere are we told to pray to Mary or dead people, except by Catholics, who promote their shameful practices as if God would sanction them. Why do you reject the fact that Scripture states there is only one intercessor between God and man? Mary is nowhere mentioned in Scripture as an intercessor, yet your pope teaches you to pray to her and all kinds of other people who happen to be dead, to intercede on your behalf. Many of your leaders wish to have her elevated officially as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. God says He does not share His glory.

"I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols."

"For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another."


"I am the Lord; that is My name. And My glory will I not give to another, neither My praise to graven images."
When it comes to scripture its threefold. I know you don't accept this but here goes. We have Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magesterium. This stops run away interpreting like Rapture, OSAS, shaking a preachers hand at an altar call for salvation, taking out 7 books from the bible, weird stuff like that. Private interpreting is dangerous
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_Maximus


The Pontifex Maximus (Latin, literally: "greatest pontiff" or "greatest bridge-builder")
was the high priest of the College of Pontiffs (Collegium Pontificum) in ancient Rome.
This was the most important position in the ancient Roman religion


The word "pontifex" later became a term used for Christian bishops,[SUP][4][/SUP] including the Bishop of Rome,

the title of "Pontifex Maximus" was applied within the Roman Catholic Church
to the Pope as its chief bishop
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaism

Nicolaism (also Nicholaism, Nicolationism, or Nicolaitanism) is a Christian heresy,
first mentioned (twice) in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament, whose adherents
were called Nicolaitans, Nicolaitanes, or Nicolaites. According to Revelation 2, vv. 6 and 15,
they were known in the cities of Ephesus and Pergamum.


In this chapter, the church at Ephesus is commended for "hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans,
which I also hate" and the church in Pergamos is blamed "So hast thou also them that hold
the doctrine of the Nicolaitans".

Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Hippolytus,[2] Epiphanius, and Theodoret
mentioned this group, and stated that the deacon Nicolas was the author of the heresy and the sect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ante-Nicene_Christian_martyrs


The root of the word Nicolaitans comes from Greek nikao, to conquer or overcome,
and laos, which means people and which the word laity comes from.

The two words together especially means the destruction of the people and refers
to the earliest form of what we call a priestly order or clergy which later on in
church history divided people and allowed for leadership other than those led
by the spirit of the risen Lord.

A good translation of Nicolaitan would be "those who prevail over the people."
This clerical system later developed into the papal hierarchy of priests and clergy
lording over the flock.

The Council of Trent stated, "If anyone shall say that there is not in the Catholic Church a
hierarchy established by the divine ordination, consisting of bishops, presbyters and ministers,
let him be anathema."
 

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ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Deacons

The Seven, often known as the Seven Deacons, were leaders elected by the Early Christian church to minister to the people of Jerusalem. They are described in Chapter 6 of the Acts of the Apostles, and are the subject of later traditions as well; for instance they are supposed to have been members of the Seventy Disciples who appear in the Gospel of Luke. Although the Seven are not called deacons in the New Testament, they are, nonetheless, often regarded as the forerunners of the Christian order of deacons.

The Seven Deacons were:
Saint Stephen (Proto-martyr)
Saint Philip the Evangelist
Prochorus
Nicanor
Timon
Parmenas

Nicholas
 
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The problem with "Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium" of the Catholic Church is these are used to make Scripture secondary in authority.

The Catholic Church puts "Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition and the Magisterium" above the very Word of God. What Catholicism teaches has more authority than the Truth from God.

Do you see how the Catholics put themselves above God? This is why they see nothing wrong with insisting that Mary had to be without sin. Its what the Catholics want to believe that comes first with the Truth from God coming in second.

Private interpretation of the Scriptures is dangerous in the hands of the Catholic Church because they really believe they have more authority in the Truth than God. What they teach is higher than God and He has to bow down to what the Catholic Church teaches.

Do you see how the Catholics have made God their footstool?
 

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I was especially amazed regarding what the pope said that I have put in bold above. These are the words of one who doesn't have a clue of what Christ's mission was and he's the head of what is supposed to be the Church of Christ? He called Christ's death "the failure at the cross," as though God's plan of salvation was thwarted because he was crucified!

As others have said, you're going too far. I'm not a Catholic either but what you've written doesn't help your case or us who are reading it. Pope Francis didn't call "Christ's death 'the failure at the cross' (as though God's plan of salvation was thwarted because he was crucified)". You are misquoting him and then putting words in his mouth. What he said was, "His life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."

What is misleading is leaving out the words "humanly speaking". It's the same as saying, for example, "Paul says, 'The cross is foolishness'!", leaving out "to those who are perishing". Jesus' life, humanly speaking did end in failure, the failure of the cross.

 
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As others have said, you're going too far. I'm not a Catholic either but what you've written doesn't help your case or us who are reading it. Pope Francis didn't call "Christ's death 'the failure at the cross' (as though God's plan of salvation was thwarted because he was crucified)". You are misquoting him and then putting words in his mouth. What he said was, "His life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."

What is misleading is leaving out the words "humanly speaking". It's the same as saying, for example, "Paul says, 'The cross is foolishness'!", leaving out "to those who are perishing". Jesus' life, humanly speaking did end in failure, the failure of the cross.

They misquote Pope Francis all the time. Part of their agenda is to create this monster in people's heads
 
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Simon Peter Versus Simon Magus:

Who Was The Real First Pope
Interesting response!! I can understand your view point!

[h=1]Acts 8:9-24Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]The Response of Simon[/h]9 A man named Simon had previously practiced sorcery in that city and astounded the Samaritan people, while claiming to be somebody great. 10 They all paid attention to him, from the least of them to the greatest, and they said, “This man is called the Great Power of God!”[a] 11 They were attentive to him because he had astounded them with his sorceries for a long time.
 

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the bible talks about the world ages
the world that was, the current evil world, and the world to come.

there has been good and evil factions in most [every age], or generations..

1.God and satan before garden

2.Abel and cain , pre flood

3 Abram and nimrod , after flood

4 simon and peter, church faction after Jesus, still on going.

the bible says simon was worshiped like god, thinking he was god, bewitched the people,
was said he was bound in inequity, and did not repent his ways, but ask for prayer not to befall curses.



things like:

the mystery of inequity, that they would believe a lie, anti-christs they where [then]
allready in the world. that the times and laws of God would be changed by them,
a thing called a little horn, and mentions the mother of harlots.

the bible talks about false religion, that the world would follow, not the true small church,
but come from within.

The Catholic Encyclopedia reported:

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.


Council of Nicea, which took place in 325 A.D. This council decided that Sunday was to
be the day of worship and that Passover was to be observed on Sunday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

they changed nature of the Son of God, and his relationship to God the Father

establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter,

and promulgation of early canon law, but did not make it truth, or from the bible.
 
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