Vote on Obsession with confession(1st John 1:9,sin confession)

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Do we need to confess continuously,or Is once enough.

  • We need to confess our sins one time and be righteous conscious

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • We need to confess our sins continuously to be In right standing with GOD.

    Votes: 17 42.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • Total voters
    40
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

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LOL.....maybe George was out of class...sometimes we hear certain words and it triggers "thoughts" and then we think along those lines only...I'm not sure what Bob George has said concerning confession..we believe in confession..but maybe not in the traditional church way we have been taught..that is..we need to confess sins in order to be forgiven.....we confess because we are forgiven....we acknowledge sin and agree with that it is wrong and destructive..and that is not who we are in Christ.... which I believe that was talked about in another thread...it's that 1 John 1:9 thing.....

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html

sparkman said:
Bob George must have been out of class when this one was taught. Him, and at least two other regular hyper-grace contributors here.
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FreeNChrist

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Grace777x70 said:
LOL.....maybe George was out of class...sometimes we hear certain words and it triggers "thoughts" and then we think along those lines only...I'm not sure what Bob George has said concerning confession..we believe in confession..but maybe not in the traditional church way we have been taught..that is..we need to confess sins in order to be forgiven.....we confess because we are forgiven....we acknowledge sin and agree with that it is wrong and destructive..and that is not who we are in Christ.... which I believe that was talked about in another thread...it's that 1 John 1:9 thing.....

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html
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Well, that was written by Bob George, so you do know what He taught concerning forgiveness. :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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sparkman said:
In particular they are against confession. They claim that a Christian who confesses and asks forgiveness for a sin after salvation lacks faith.

The misunderstanding is that those who practice confession believe it continues their salvation. The ones that I know do not think this. They believe it is a relationship issue..that our closeness to God is affected by our sins. In other words the person's communion with God is affected, instead of their union with Christ, which remains intact. Involvement with sin is against the new nature, which wants to obey and love God, and results in a relational distancing. The solution isn't denying that this relational distancing exists; it is in confession, asking for forgiveness, and being cleansed by God.

Someone recommend Bob George and he brought up this point within the first 15 minutes of the message. That was it for me. Others may think he's a great teacher but if he takes this position, he's unworthy of listening to.
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Dude, I know Bob George, and yes he is a great teacher. You, OTOH, not so much. Nough said.
 
Grace777x70

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Cool!..I didn't know Bob George wrote that...I have some of his books but haven't gotten around to reading them yet....so he is a heretic too then?...lol..good one!...:)


FreeNChrist said:
Well, that was written by Bob George, so you do know what He taught concerning forgiveness. :)
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FreeNChrist

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Grace777x70 said:
Cool!..I didn't know Bob George wrote that...I have some of his books but haven't gotten around to reading them yet....so he is a heretic too then?...lol..good one!...:)
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"Classic Christianity" should be required reading for all new Christians, and read annually thereafter. Yeah he's another heretic who actually believes we have forgiveness in Christ, as scripture clearly tells us.
 
Grace777x70

Grace777x70

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No...really?.....he actually believes that God's word is true?.." gasp" Wow..no wonder some people call him a heretic....:rolleyes:


FreeNChrist said:
"Classic Christianity" should be required reading for all new Christians, and read annually thereafter. Yeah he's another heretic who actually believes we have forgiveness in Christ, as scripture clearly tells us.
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seed_time_harvest

seed_time_harvest

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sparkman said:
My position is that we need to confess our sins regularly to remain in a good relationship with God, not a right standing. The right standing has already been given when the person was justified through accepting the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ on their behalf. However, the relationship with God in terms of experiential relationship is affected by sin. The person who is caught up in the sin needs to confess it, ask forgiveness in a relational sense, and be cleansed.

So, if your wording would have said "right relationship" rather than "right standing" I would agreed with option two. In terms of legal standing, the person is still justified regardless of the sin. However, they are not in right relationship and confession and asking for forgiveness is how this relationship issue is dealt with. God then cleanses them of the sin.

So, your wording led to my choice of "Other".
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I understand what you are saying and I wish I had of given more thought to the wording,I just put an option 3 there just In case someone wanted to vote "other"

But It sounds like you are saying If option#3 had been stated more clearly.

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Option#3
Continuous asking for forgiveness to GOD Is not necessary because GOD has already forgiven you but your neighbor needs to be reconciled If you offend them and you might offend them more than once.

Would you have still voted for option#2?
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Well, that was written by Bob George, so you do know what He taught concerning forgiveness. :)
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As I read the explanation I don't think I'm in line with him.
 
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FreeNChrist

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sparkman said:
As I read the explanation I don't think I'm in line with him.
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Who are you? If you want to walk in truth, get in line with Him. Because he is spot on.
 
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sparkman

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FreeNChrist said:
Dude, I know Bob George, and yes he is a great teacher. You, OTOH, not so much. Nough said.
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If he denies what I John 1:8-9 clearly says, he has issues.

No, I am not part of the hyper-grace crowd. Neither am I part of the works righteousness crowd. I like it when both groups are offended by me..it tells me I'm probably on track. Both of them are in the ditch :)
 
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sparkman

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FreeNChrist said:
Who are you? If you want to walk in truth, get in line with Him. Because he is spot on.
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By the way, I hate it when hyper-gracers seem to be supporting what I say on an issue, because it causes the works righteous people to think I am one of THEM. And I am not one of THEM.

They sound like mouthpieces for Bob Wilkin and Grace Evangelical Society...antinomians.
 
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FreeNChrist

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sparkman said:
By the way, I hate it when hyper-gracers seem to be supporting what I say on an issue, because it causes the works righteous people to think I am one of THEM. And I am not one of THEM.

They sound like mouthpieces for Bob Wilkin and Grace Evangelical Society...antinomians.
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And I hate it when someone has to label and slander others to prop themselves up in their own eyes.
 
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FreeNChrist

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sparkman said:
If he denies what I John 1:8-9 clearly says, he has issues.

No, I am not part of the hyper-grace crowd. Neither am I part of the works righteousness crowd. I like it when both groups are offended by me..it tells me I'm probably on track. Both of them are in the ditch :)
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Then consider yourself a complete success. Any more self-engradizing and you will pop your drawers as well as your shirt buttons.
 
seed_time_harvest

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KennethC said:
I can not answer because the question is vague...........

Are you referring to a one time confession for a sin, or confessing for the same sin over and over again ???

We only need to make confession for a sin once, but we need to make a confession for each sin we have done. Meaning if you confess for telling a lie today, that confession does not cover if you steal tomorrow.

The reason for repentance and confession is to be made is to show we acknowledge those sinful ways and want to turn from them. To not acknowledge one's sins is dangerous as it can and does keep one as a slave to their sinful ways !!!
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Option#1 I'm talking about when you came to faith and confessed your sins and GOD forgave you and you were reborn,do you need to continue asking for forgiveness from GOD or do you need to renew your mind and be righteous conscious rather than sin conscious?

Option#2 do you need to continue asking GOD for forgiveness to be accepted by GOD?

Option#3...choose this option If you don't like option#1 or 2'
 
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KennethC said:
The reason for repentance and confession is to be made is to show we acknowledge those sinful ways and want to turn from them. To not acknowledge one's sins is dangerous as it can and does keep one as a slave to their sinful ways !!!
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Do you believe that Repentance and Confession are done once for GOD to forgive you and done more than once to reconcile our brother or sister?
 
Stephen63

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Found this on a website written in 2008:

And so I wanted to issue a PUBLIC WARNING against the ministry of Bob George and against his teaching of LAWLESS GRACE which states that you can be under God's grace while openly rebelling against God's Law.


Here is a video with a Bob George clip in it: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8804535854309813342&q=standingthegap&total=95&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=sear%20ch&plindex=6


At "3:59" minutes into the video Bob George says that we are conversion of all past, PRESENT AND FUTURE disobedience when we merely believe. That means that a Christian can lie, steal, commit adultery, rape, murder, and never come under the wrath of God, or even need to ask for forgiveness, because he is already forgiven because he has a license to sin.


Here are some Bob George quotes:


"So is committing fornication permissible? Yes." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 182)


Dan Corner argues that since permission and license are the same thing, Bob George is saying that we have a license to fornicate which is what Jude 3-4 said false teachers would promote the grace of God as.


"Christian liberty does allow you to do anything you want to." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 202)


"I could go out as a child of God and get drunk tonight if I wanted to." Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 215)


"God accepts me... unconditionally." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 426)


"a person who is born-again will go to heaven if they commit suicide." Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 469)


Regarding 1 Jn 1:9 he said "if it's to a saved person, then you've negated everything that Christ did at the cross". Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 496)


All of this is the logical conclusion of rejecting repentance as a condition of salvation. If a person doesn't have to stop sinning in order to be under the grace of God, then the only other alternative is that you can keep sinning and be under the grace of God!! A fornicator wouldn't have to stop fornicating to be under God's grace, a rapist wouldn't have to stop raping to be under God's grace, a serial killer wouldn't have to stop killing to be under God's grace, because if a person doesn't have to stop their sin in order to have their sin forgiven, then a sinner can keep their sin and be forgiven, they can serve two masters, they can have their sin and have the Savior too.

Thought somebody might want to see it. :rolleyes:
 
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KennethC

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seed_time_harvest said:
Option#1 I'm talking about when you came to faith and confessed your sins and GOD forgave you and you were reborn,do you need to continue asking for forgiveness from GOD or do you need to renew your mind and be righteous conscious rather than sin conscious?

Option#2 do you need to continue asking GOD for forgiveness to be accepted by GOD?

Option#3...choose this option If you don't like option#1 or 2'
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seed_time_harvest said:
Do you believe that Repentance and Confession are done once for GOD to forgive you and done more than once to reconcile our brother or sister?
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Repentance nor confession is mentioned anywhere in the bible as a one time for all action.................

Jesus gives examples of repentance being made multiple times, as even in His parable of the Lost Sheep He speaks on the sheep needing to repent. Well if the sheep got lost that means they had to repent before to become part of the flock, then when it got lost needed to repent again.

John is speaking on future sins needing to be confessed of in his epistle, not a one time confession when the person first comes to the faith.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Then consider yourself a complete success. Any more self-engradizing and you will pop your drawers as well as your shirt buttons.
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Keep on insulting me. :)

Like I said I love it when hyper-gracers don't like what I have to say. I'm in the sweet spot :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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sparkman said:
Like I said I love it when hyper-gracers don't like what I have to say. I'm in the sweet spot :)
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Somehow it doesn't sound convincing when you say it......
 
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FreeNChrist

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Stephen63 said:
Found this on a website written in 2008:

And so I wanted to issue a PUBLIC WARNING against the ministry of Bob George and against his teaching of LAWLESS GRACE which states that you can be under God's grace while openly rebelling against God's Law.


Here is a video with a Bob George clip in it: video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8804535854309813342&q=standingthegap&total=95&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=sear%20ch&plindex=6


At "3:59" minutes into the video Bob George says that we are conversion of all past, PRESENT AND FUTURE disobedience when we merely believe. That means that a Christian can lie, steal, commit adultery, rape, murder, and never come under the wrath of God, or even need to ask for forgiveness, because he is already forgiven because he has a license to sin.


Here are some Bob George quotes:


"So is committing fornication permissible? Yes." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 182)


Dan Corner argues that since permission and license are the same thing, Bob George is saying that we have a license to fornicate which is what Jude 3-4 said false teachers would promote the grace of God as.


"Christian liberty does allow you to do anything you want to." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 202)


"I could go out as a child of God and get drunk tonight if I wanted to." Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 215)


"God accepts me... unconditionally." Bob George
(The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 426)


"a person who is born-again will go to heaven if they commit suicide." Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 469)


Regarding 1 Jn 1:9 he said "if it's to a saved person, then you've negated everything that Christ did at the cross". Bob George (The Believers Conditional Security by Dan Corner, pg 496)


All of this is the logical conclusion of rejecting repentance as a condition of salvation. If a person doesn't have to stop sinning in order to be under the grace of God, then the only other alternative is that you can keep sinning and be under the grace of God!! A fornicator wouldn't have to stop fornicating to be under God's grace, a rapist wouldn't have to stop raping to be under God's grace, a serial killer wouldn't have to stop killing to be under God's grace, because if a person doesn't have to stop their sin in order to have their sin forgiven, then a sinner can keep their sin and be forgiven, they can serve two masters, they can have their sin and have the Savior too.

Thought somebody might want to see it. :rolleyes:
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Thanks, very informative.
 
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