Wages of Sin is Death..and Christians continue to Die - Why?

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I don't understand your point? If you die without Yeshua in your life you are going to hell. David knew Him, Moses knew Him, Abraham knew him etc. They had a personal relationship with Him. Everything they believed was in-line with the Word of God. Can you say that?

Isaiah64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

In the days when Yeshua walked the earth He didn't own a Bible! He went to the temple along with everybody else to read from the scrolls. We are not placed on earth to judge and we don't fully understand the grace of God... but if you have a Bible you don't have an excuse for a lack of knowledge now do you?
The bible cannot save. This is hell, that is why my mind is fixed on heavenly things.

If you understand that all is unclean, we simply need to realize that we're all in the same boat.
 
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The bible cannot save. This is hell, that is why my mind is fixed on heavenly things.

If you understand that all is unclean, we simply need to realize that we're all in the same boat.
You are right, the Bible cannot do anything. Your relationship with Yeshua is important. You can fix your mind on whatever but without Yeshua you are wasting your energy.
 
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You should begin by actually reading your Bible, rather than listening to Wolves in Sheeps clothing:

Revelation 20:14 And death and hades (translated with pagan name Hell) were cast into the Lake of Fire: This is the Second Death.

Hmm - pagan, babylonian preachers who parade as "Five Fold Ministries", tell you Hell is the Lake of Fire - that is not what the Bible says.
I can see that the woo-woo is strong in this one...

Like I said you have nothing more to add here.
 
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You are right, the Bible cannot do anything. Your relationship with Yeshua is important. You can fix your mind on whatever but without Yeshua you are wasting your energy.
Honestly, what does that mean to you, to keep your mind on Yeshua?
 
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I can see that the woo-woo is strong in this one...

Like I said you have nothing more to add here.
You only hope.
You are merely out of your league, and don't know how to answer when The Truth comes on the scene.
 
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Honestly, what does that mean to you, to keep your mind on Yeshua?
Maybe you should get dialling with that open-line of yours. I am sure if you were so in tune as what you are telling all of us you would have understood this simple statement.

I never said keep your mind on Yeshua, I said build a relationship with Yeshua.
 
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How come we all simply can't love one another and wish each other well? Again, this is perfection. The OP is right. We die today because we refuse to come together in love. We continue to believe that some uncleaness is better than others. We don't know it all, as much as we all make it seem like we do.

When we disagree and it has been voiced, from there simply learn in private about what you may disagree with. You might learn something new.
 
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You only hope.
You are merely out of your league, and don't know how to answer when The Truth comes on the scene.
What league is that? The woo-woo league? LOL Yes you are right, I am out of that league
 
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Maybe you should get dialling with that open-line of yours. I am sure if you were so in tune as what you are telling all of us you would have understood this simple statement.

I never said keep your mind on Yeshua, I said build a relationship with Yeshua.
That's an answer a man without one would give. I never said I didn't understand the statement, I simply asked what it meant to you.......

Well, what does it mean to you to "build a relationship with Yeshua?"

If you'd like, I can tell you what it means to me, but you didn't ask. No, you assumed I didn't understand in the middle of trying to be sarcastic.

Why this type of attitude? I attack you not. You are my brother and I love you.
 
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What league is that? The woo-woo league? LOL Yes you are right, I am out of that league
I see you brought up Hell and the Lake of Fire. When I brought up Revelation 20:14 to you, like most, you did not address it.

So please, give us your profound understanding of Revelation 20:14.

So if I am in the Woo Woo - You are in the Poo Poo. So Poo, or get off the pot.
 
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That's an answer a man without one would give. I never said I didn't understand the statement, I simply asked what it meant to you.......

Well, what does it mean to you to "build a relationship with Yeshua?"

If you'd like, I can tell you what it means to me, but you didn't ask. No, you assumed I didn't understand in the middle of trying to be sarcastic.

Why this type of attitude? I attack you not. You are my brother and I love you.
I didn't attack you! I simple stated that you need a relationship with The Messiah to enter into heaven and in doing that you will read your Bible to get Biblical knowledge so that you cannot be deceived by a lack of knowledge.

To build a relationship with Yeshua you need to spend time with Him. Praying and reading his word because the Bible tells us He is the Word.

What do you believe?
 
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I see you brought up Hell and the Lake of Fire. When I brought up Revelation 20:14 to you, like most, you did not address it.

So please, give us your profound understanding of Revelation 20:14.

So if I am in the Woo Woo - You are in the Poo Poo. So Poo, or get off the pot.
LOL and now I am suppose to feel offended? Like I said you have nothing to add to this discussion
 
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LOL and now I am suppose to feel offended? Like I said you have nothing to add to this discussion
The opposite is true - such is the nature of the carnal mind - the Serpent, always slithering here and there trying to look good in defeat.

I started the discussion. You are only making yourself look more foolish with each post because you will not address Revelation 20:14 - you brought up the pagan name Hell and Lake of Fire. So please address the scripture.

If you cannot address it, be honest. If not you are a Liar, and all Liars will end up in the Lake of Fire - Revelation 21:8.

( THE SPIRITUAL REALITY IS - YOU ARE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE RIGHT NOW).
 
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The opposite is true - such is the nature of the carnal mind - the Serpent, always slithering here and there trying to look good in defeat.

I started the discussion. You are only making yourself look more foolish with each post because you will not address Revelation 20:14 - you brought up the pagan name Hell and Lake of Fire. So please address the scripture.

If you cannot address it, be honest. If not you are a Liar, and all Liars will end up in the Lake of Fire - Revelation 21:8.
Have you ever told a lie, Socrates?
 
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I didn't attack you! I simple stated that you need a relationship with The Messiah to enter into heaven and in doing that you will read your Bible to get Biblical knowledge so that you cannot be deceived by a lack of knowledge.

To build a relationship with Yeshua you need to spend time with Him. Praying and reading his word because the Bible tells us He is the Word.

What do you believe?
I understand what you mean, but if to do unto the least and the poor is as doing unto the Messiah, then I no longer find Him in the letter of a book, but among my brethren. To help the poor is to help Him and to build a living relationship with Him.

Yes I read the bible. For me, this is where it led! It helps me to understand what exactly has hold of the people, and why it is necessary to do the things that we see.

We both have knowledge, but that puffs up. It is love that builds.
 

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Have you ever told a lie, Socrates?[/QUOTE

Used to on occasion, that part of my nature (The Devil), was burned up in the Lake of Fire.

What about Radius?
Yes, I tell little lies now and again.

So you are saying you had the Devil in you that has already been burned up in the Lake of Fire. How do you know this?
 
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Yes, I tell little lies now and again.

So you are saying you had the Devil in you that has already been burned up in the Lake of Fire. How do you know this?
read closely, "That part of my nature" - lies, The Devil is still being burned up. What about you, is your carnal, earthly nature being burned up in the Baptism of Fire? I bet you never even thought of it.

Please do elaborate...
 

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read closely, "That part of my nature" - lies, The Devil is still being burned up. What about you, is your carnal, earthly nature being burned up in the Baptism of Fire? I bet you never even thought of it.

Please do elaborate...
The Devil isn't even the Lake of Fire yet or being burned.

And my carnal ways are being replaced with Godly ways more and more every year, I am finding myself closer to God these days as I pray and ask to be more like Him.
 
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The opposite is true - such is the nature of the carnal mind - the Serpent, always slithering here and there trying to look good in defeat.

I started the discussion. You are only making yourself look more foolish with each post because you will not address Revelation 20:14 - you brought up the pagan name Hell and Lake of Fire. So please address the scripture.

If you cannot address it, be honest. If not you are a Liar, and all Liars will end up in the Lake of Fire - Revelation 21:8.

( THE SPIRITUAL REALITY IS - YOU ARE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE RIGHT NOW).
Fortunately for me judgment is reserve for the Creator and not for the charlatans from the woo-woo club.

And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake (limne) of fire (pur). This is the second death.

hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, Hades or the place(state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.
limnē
lim'-nay
Probably from G3040 (through the idea of the nearness of shore); a pond (large or small): - lake.
pur
poor
A primary word; “fire” (literally or figuratively, specifically lightning): - fiery, fire.


So what is your point? In afrikaans hell is the lake of fire and that is why I used the word hell. Do I now get an official pardon from the president of the woo-woo club?
 
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